Ominous future for Pakistan

[Black Stone]

I am not sure sure that India gets Russian oil!

Russia and India are in big oil and gas deals.

Demaind shall never drop. USA believes in SUVs.

Demand would not stop, but it will decrease. I was referring the state before China and India economic boom.

US is sabotaging the IPI!

The reason is because of Iran, but I think India would follow its own energy policies and not listen to the US.

Hopefully!

It will happen when both China and India are less dependent.

Too bad for Europe. They still beg for Russian oil and gas!

Probably, but EU are not stupid, they wouldn't allow Russia to play them with the energy card. They already experienced it before. This makes Russian supplies unreliable. Not a good thing for a supplier to be unreliable.

Chechnya is hardly in the news these days!

Not in the news, doesn't mean it is not significant and the problem is not there.

Georgia and Ukraine are 50 -50.

As long as these states remain rebellious to Russia, Russian influence is curbed.

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Debatable!

Probably, but politics is worldwide coverage of influence. Energy is limited. Which has more influence? Saudi Arabia or the US?

 

[hoodhood1]

Now what is this. A cache of brand new M16 automatic rifles, Uzi machine guns , thousands of rounds of ammunation and other weapons were caught in Rawalpindi. Information is that they came from Indian source in Afghanistan. The question is Why and for What?

 

[Awesome]

I would not be too sure about India being a front.

If indeed it is a front for the US, it is for ensuring things are A OK to the extent possible in Afghanistan itself, since India had a very close interactivity with Afghans before the Mujh period. In fact, there was a large Indian expatriate population in Afghanistan, especially of Sikhs and still is.

I am aware that many in Pakistan feel that the consulates are being used against the interest of Pakistan. I feel that it is not in the interest of India to destabilise or destroy Pakistan. It will create a huge instability in the sub continent and given the large Moslem population in India, it may cause serious instability in India itself! If you are aware, the Taslima Nasrin case itself, who has a fatwa on her head in Bangladesh, and for whom there was rioting by the Moslems in Kolkata, has caused national security problem. Therefore, if anything untoward and catastrophic happens to Pakistan, it will explode in India! Thus, it is in the interest of India that Pakistan remains stable.

You would have also noticed that India has not given any cognitive comment on the situation in Pakistan, even though it has alarmed the rest of the world.

Hence, it is only, to my mind, the historical paranoia, that prompts the feeling that India wants to destabilise Pakistan.

Sooner India and Pakistan shed its historical paranoia, it will be better for the progress of both nations.

What gave India away was its eagerness to get involved within Afghanistan. It's closeness with Karzai is also another giveaway.

If India truly wants to see Pakistan stabilized it won't support the destabilizing forces

 

[aryan2007]

If India truly wants to see Pakistan stabilized it won't support the destabilizing forces

Indian Govt IMO wants to see a non interfering, non nuclear, non ISI, non Jihadi Pakistan with citizens able to look through propaganda...

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Now what is this. A cache of brand new M16 automatic rifles, Uzi machine guns , thousands of rounds of ammunation and other weapons were caught in Rawalpindi. Information is that they came from Indian source in Afghanistan. The question is Why and for What?

I have information as you have that it was the Taliban with Russian origin weapons which are selling cheap in Peshawar!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

What gave India away was its eagerness to get involved within Afghanistan. It's closeness with Karzai is also another giveaway.

If India truly wants to see Pakistan stabilized it won't support the destabilizing forces

China is great friends with Pakistan and is totally enthusiastic about it in every manner.

But does that mean it is supporting destabilising forces in India?


One feels that they are, but the issue central is there is a difference between the popular conception and facts!

 

[hoodhood1]

Salim. Living in India, how would you know the origin of these weapons? I have confirmed info of this cache and it's origin. Who was there my source or yours?

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

I agree I haven't the good fortune to be rubbing shoulders with the terrorists. You speak authoritatively and that is feasible only if one is sitting plumb with the terrorists and smoking their hookah.

How do I know?

Guess.

I would like to match your obscurity in not naming sources and yet appear solidly authoritative and imaginative; what ho?

 

[fatman17]

Indian Govt IMO wants to see a non interfering, non nuclear, non ISI, non Jihadi Pakistan with citizens able to look through propaganda...

in other words a pakistan subserviant to india!!!

 

[aryan2007]

in other words a pakistan subserviant to india!!!

Well.. subservient or not.. I don't think that is what is the idea or the requirement

a Pakistan and India relationship where they are not foes and have nothing to do with each other politically or militarily or with regards to stability and where there is no negative propaganda towards each other

If trade & p2p contacts & co-operation improves good..but the above is most important...

 

[fatman17]

Well.. subservient or not.. I don't think that is what is the idea or the requirement

a Pakistan and India relationship where they are not foes and have nothing to do with each other politically or militarily or with regards to stability and where there is no negative propaganda towards each other

If trade & p2p contacts & co-operation improves good..but the above is most important...

will india be non-nuclear.

 

[aryan2007]

will india be non-nuclear.

why??
I said this is what India aka indian govt wants from Pakistan..

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

India may want, what it wants, but it will only get what pakistan feels is right. I don't blame the indians for their demands, if I had my opponent with its back against the wall and all different political parties at each others throats, I would not do any different.

Just for a moment take a neutral stance-----just stop being a pakistani for a moment----then consider pakistan's internal situation. Would it not be a concern for you how a nuclear power is acting up---how all the different parties, the lawyers, the judges, the religionists have their own personal agendas---their own personal grudges---their own personal priorities----at every turn of events anyone who is somebody makes the statement that pakistan is ready to break up---a nation who owns 50 plus nuclear weapons----would you not be concerned.

Just for a moment, let us assume that india is about to break up and shiv sena may control all the indian nukes----what do you think pakistanis are going to do? We are definitely going to do something to protect our interests---without any presumtion. We have to play by the big boys rules when we want to join the big league club. It is just a learning experience---only if our opposition would have stood united with the govt over some basic issues, things would not have been that bad for us.

Some of you guys may have read these books----but as a teenager I read all the boks written by Nasim Hijazi----the one that would put a stake through my heart every time I read it was about the incident he writes about where Jalaladin Khawarzam shah wins a battle against the tartars in afghanistan, a horse is captured and two of his allies both want the horse and niether wants to give in.

In the heat of argument, one party pulls out his sword and kills the other opponent. The victim party gets dis-illusioned and takes off with its 50k troops even though the prince begs them not to for that is the only chance of success against the tartars. In the end, divided they are destroyed so very easily by their enemy. Isn't this what we pakistanis have been all along---it is only my way all the way or nothing else.

Pakistan and Musharraf has to fight many a battles at the same time on so many different fronts-----a man or a woman with lesser determination and tenacity would have succumbed a long time ago. Musharraf has been balancing his act on the tight rope with such precision and for so long with success and that was only possible due the incompetence of the opposition parties. They could have had it their way, only if they would have shown up to work on full time basis, they would have owned the govt by now. But by practising the burn and destroy strategy on retreat, they have destroyed the national harmony and lessened their chances of victory and forcefully put the nation in a very dangerous position.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

in other words a pakistan subserviant to india!!!

No.

Under no circumstances so.

It is an independent sovereign nation, It decides its future.

 

[fatman17]

why??
I said this is what India aka indian govt wants from Pakistan..

so u want us to give up our nukes but u keep yours. this is a non starter. no need to discuss further.