Oman says time to accept Israel in region, offers help for peace

[LeGenD]

I have literally just said "we must look forward. To the only solution remaining: a bi-national Israel-Palestine one-state".

That's a pretty mainstream view, but if you prefer to misrepresent my views to avoid me continuing to embarrass you with my superior knowledge and intellect then I understand.

Oh right.

FYI: https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2005/10/200849132648612154.html

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

I just pointed out a reality that Jews have ancient stakes in Palestine, and we - as neutral observers - need to respect their sentiments.

Most of the Jews in Israel have NO stake in Palestine. Many other groups also have stakes in Palestine, must we "respect their sentiments", or we should only "respect" the European Jews who have no connection with Palestine having a full right to live in Palestine whilst actual Palestinians whose families have lived in Palestines for generations are forcibly expelled?

During the era of Colonization and World Wars, thousands of Jews migrated from Europe to Palestine over time (1896 - 1948) and not only purchased property over there but significantly contributed to the economic activity of the region. These migrations and resultant settlements are legitimate just like Pakistani community in the UK. Arabs in nearby regions (not Palestinians) opposed these migrations on political grounds and clashes erupted from time-to-time. By the end of World War II, British Empire raised this issue in UN and the latter decided to split Palestine into two countries. State of Israel emerged from this split in organic fashion.

However, neighboring countries decided to take matters into their own hands and attacked Israel, only to suffer defeat with an expanded Israel being the outcome. Huge number of Palestinians suffered displacement in the process, and continue to suffer to this day.

This is full of gross untruths and inaccuracies.

Jewish paramilitary terrorist groups committed multiple terrorist attacks against the British forces in Palestine, such as the King David hotel bombing. Many of these groups themselves did not support the UN partition plan, and the zionists that did admitted their long term aim was to take all of eretz israel eventually.

As I pointed out earlier, we need to look at these course of events objectively. I would be really happy if Palestine - Israeli conflict is resolved for long-term. Use of Force is tried and tested, and does not work.

So what should we do? Negotiations is the way forward. Israeli PM visiting Oman is a step in the right direction.

You just said use of force worked for Israel in 1948, but now you say it does not work? Which one is it?

Israel does not want negotiations, Bibi explicitly said that there will never be a two state solution under his watch. What more evidence do you want to see reality?

Oh right.

FYI: https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2005/10/200849132648612154.html

I'm not opening your article but I see it's from 2005 so I doubt it's relevant.

If you want to learn why a one state solution is the only solution remaining from an actual scholar and a reputable source then I invite you to read this:

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n21/virginia-tilley/the-one-state-solution

As many people privately acknowledge, and as Tony Judt has now proposed in the New York Review of Books, the conditions for an independent Palestinian state have been killed off by the inexorable and irreversible advance of the settlements in the West Bank and Gaza. The two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is an idea, and a possibility, whose time has passed, its death obscured (as was perhaps intended) by daily spectacle: the hoopla of a useless ‘road map’, the cycles of Israeli gunship assassinations and Palestinian suicide bombings, the dismal internal Palestinian power struggles, the house demolitions and death counts – all the visible expressions of a conflict which has always been over control of land.

^ short excerpt.

 

[Dubious]

They have legitimate claims in there.

Yea but they willingly left to seek jobs in Egypt and then when there was Holocaust they didnt run to Palestine even when the Ottomon empire rescued so many...they ran to USA (mostly) and other Jew friendly European states!

If their claim from Nabi's Musa's time is legit so is the claim of everyone on every piece of land eg. Native Indians on American soil, Aborigines on Australian soil....and literally everyone for Africa coz 1st human was out of Africa, no? World shouldnt have borders yet America wants a wall, we are making a wall against Afghanistan and Palestine has been walled from multiple sides with israeli checkpost! Dont Palestinians have right to their land? The same land where their homes were bulldozed?

 

[Crystal-Clear]

few regimes in gulf are the biggest backstabbers in history of Muslim world . they are doing it til now .

 

[Sully3]

Oman has become a huge security risk to Pakistan.

first they leased a lifetime airbase to India and now this.

this should be very concerning to Pakistan

 

[Taimoor Khan]

This chap Qaboos been there far too long. Needs a regime change in that country.

 

[SHARMA BHOPALI]

This is welcome news.

 

[925boy]

for one palastine you guys want to burn whole damn earth ?

No, but that was what lost sunni muslim ME regimes have been doing instead of a focused approach to solving the problem.

On the other hand, you saying this sounds like you're agreeing Palestinian issue should be forgotten. smh

Jews have a long history of livelihood in Palestine [lived there throughout since the era of Prophet Musa PBUH]. This region used to be a part of ancient Jewish kingdoms.

We - as neutral observers - cannot say that Jews have no business being there in the first place. They have legitimate claims in there.

We also accept Jews have a right to live there, but they dont if they wont give Palestinians their FAIR SHARE. I am all for fairness. But fairness means Israel making a few serious concessions, and Israel doesnt want to do that so whose fault is that that ISrael owes palestinians a chunk to make peace durable and stable? How about you tell Israel paying off Palestinians fairly is worth the long term peace?

Good overview in this link: https://int.icej.org/susans-blog/did-jews-steal-palestinians’-land

Not keen to argue with Iranians over this matter! Iranians desire nothing less than utmost destruction of Israel which is not a feasible goal.

Iran doesnt want Israel destroyed. Iran wants a Jewish govt dominated Israel gone. Like the Iranians said- If a referendum is held in Israel/Palestine that Palestinians vote in, Iran will accept the results. I hate to say this- but can you show you where negotiations work in getting Israel to make concessions? In recent history i'm afraid Israel doesnt negotiate or do so fairly or with the intent to resolve/close open wounds.

They are testing the waters for when Saudis accept openly there relationship with Isreal

I think the decider is what arab citizens will accept. What arab govts do is 1 thing, and what their citizens accept is another. If their citizens disagree i guess nation wide crackdowns will ensue...just a guess.

 

[prashantazazel]

Muslims themselves conquered many lands. Nothing wrong if Israel does the same.

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

Muslims themselves conquered many lands. Nothing wrong if Israel does the same.

Norms have changed.

 

[GBU-28]

Still a few knuckle-draggers around who want perpetual war because their pride was dented when they lost a war 70 years ago. Good to see a new reality dawning in the region. Soon the balance will shift as Arabia and the wider Muslim world recognises that conflict and stubborn pride will only continue their stagnation.

There will be a domino effect and only the sanctioned, isolated Mullah regime and their terrorist proxies will be left on their own, sitting on a mountain of rotting pistachio nuts they aren't able to sell.

Norms have changed.

Did they change after you stole Lebanon?

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

Did they change after you stole Lebanon?

They changed in 2006 when Hezbollah sent your soldiers home crying.

 

[GBU-28]

They changed in 2006 when Hezbollah sent your soldiers home crying.

Crying? while Beirut took 10 years to rebuild?

How many Irani scoundrels have Israel sent back in body bags from Syria?

 

[313ghazi]

We Pakistani created a nation for Muslims, our nation was created on the principles of Islam, we must always honour that and honour ourselves.

The Arab states who recognise Israel one by one today, are the next generations of the same Arabs who fought alongisde British colonialists against the Usmani Caliphate, removing the control of the Caliphate from the holy sites. It should come as no suprise to anyone to see them bowing to a new zionist master.

At the same time when the Arabs were betraying the Khalifah, our forefathers were providing their savings and even the gold women wore to help fund the war effort. Our forefathers were honourable men who stood by the Khalifah until the end. We must also stand up as honourable men and accept only the Quran and Sunnah as our standard of living.

Would the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), or any of 4 the rightfully guided Caliphs have given political legitamacy to a state which was created in land forcibly taken from Muslims and strengthened by regularly killing the people they'd forced out of their homes? No. Neither shall we. That is our standard.

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

Crying?

yes crying