Okinawa independence movement seeks inspiration from Scotland

[sahaliyan]

The things are over,Okinawa is part of Japan just like Tibet and Xinjiang is part of China,if we support the separatism of other countries，then what about the separatism in China?

 

[Aepsilons]

The things are over,Okinawa is part of Japan just like Tibet and Xinjiang is part of China,if we support the separatism of other countries，then what about the separatism in China?

The Okinawans are as much Japanese as the Ainu of Northern Hokkaido. The term "Japanese" does not denote a certain ethnicity or culture, as there are many cultures and ethnicities that make up the collective nation of Japan. I am 1/4th Ainu and yet I consider myself as much Japanese as any one from Kyushu, Honshu, Shikoku or Ryukyu. Just as how I consider the Uighyurs , Tibetans, Miao, Zhuang, Manchu, Mongols in the People's Repulic of China as 100% Chinese as the Han people. Some segments of these minorities may want independence, but they are part of China. Okinawa and the rest of the Ryukyu Islands are and will always be part of Japan.

 

[jkroo]

No comment to Ryukyuan independence movement. In history, some of Ryukyuan are descendants of Mainlanders from Fujian. Today, I found that there are only around 100000 Ryukyuan.

 

[Aepsilons]

No comment to Ryukyuan independence movement. In history, some of Ryukyuan are descendants of Mainlanders from Fujian. Today, I found that there are only around 100000 Ryukyuan.

It's more around 1.55 million. As for links with China, the theories of Japanese origins, particularly the origin of the Yayoi claim that inhabitants from present day Korea and Mainland China arrived and settled Japan in what is the Northern Route Theory -- 北方ルート.

In genetic studies there are evident traces of linkage:

Japanese have a significant trace of Haplogroup 03 as seen in Koreans, and Chinese (Northern and Southern Han). We also share the same dominant Haplogroup 02b as the Koreans. We also have a dominant Haplogroup D2 , which is common in some populations in South Asia and in Tibetan populations. This is considered the remnant of the Jomon / Ainu genetic stock who were the earliest inhabitants of Japan. The intermarrying of said Jomon / Ainu with succeeding waves of Yayoi settlers (who have Chinese and Korean ancestry) eventually helped form the stratified layer of Japanese identity.

All Japanese (be they from Hokkaido, Honshu, Kyushu, Shikoku and Ryukyu Islands) have and share genetic similarity with our brothers the Koreans and the Han of China. In fact, Japanese are racially most similar to Han Chinese and Koreans than any other ethnic group in the world. Perhaps because we Japanese ....share lineage from older , larger Han Stock.

 

[jkroo]

It's more around 1.55 million. As for links with China, the theories of Japanese origins, particularly the origin of the Yayoi claim that inhabitants from present day Korea and Mainland China arrived and settled Japan in what is the Northern Route Theory -- 北方ルート.

In genetic studies there are evident traces of linkage:

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Japanese have a significant trace of Haplogroup 03 as seen in Koreans, and Chinese (Northern and Southern Han). We also share the same dominant Haplogroup 02b as the Koreans. We also have a dominant Haplogroup D2 , which is common in some populations in South Asia and in Tibetan populations. This is considered the remnant of the Jomon / Ainu genetic stock who were the earliest inhabitants of Japan. The intermarrying of said Jomon / Ainu with succeeding waves of Yayoi settlers (who have Chinese and Korean ancestry) eventually helped form the stratified layer of Japanese identity.

All Japanese (be they from Hokkaido, Honshu, Kyushu, Shikoku and Ryukyu Islands) have and share genetic similarity with our brothers the Koreans and the Han of China. In fact, Japanese are racially most similar to Han Chinese and Koreans than any other ethnic group in the world. Perhaps because we Japanese ....share lineage from older , larger Han Stock.

We are same in a certain degree, racial, cultural and others. But Chinese, Korean and Japanese's behaviors are different when I met these people and I can point them out easily. Chinese people maintain the core cultural/philosophical value - Yi.

Based at these points, we know you people better than westerners.

 

[Aepsilons]

We are same in a certain degree, racial, cultural and others. But Chinese, Korean and Japanese's behaviors are different when I met these people and I can point them out easily. Chinese people maintain the core cultural/philosophical value - Yi.

Based at these points, we know you people better than westerners.

The three North East Asian civilizations: China, Korea and Japan are Confucian and this defines the core basis of said societies. Every social factor revolves on this. In my opinion, all three civilizations demonstrate all the principles of Confucianism:

1) Jen : human heartedness; goodness; benevolence; the virtue of virtues as what Kong Zi emphasized it.

2) Li: The principle of propriety, the guide to human interaction

3) Yi: Righteousness

4) Hsiao: Filial Piety; reverence

5) Chee: Moral wisdom

6) Te: Moral Law

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In Japan, we expanded on the Confucian Principles by developing the Bushido Code and the Seven Virtues of Bushido:

1) Morality　義 - Gi

2. Courage 勇- Yu

3. Benevolence 仁 - Jin

4. Respect　礼 - Rei

5. Honesty　誠 - Makoto

6.Honor 名誉 - Meiyo

7. Loyalty　忠義 - Chugi

 

[jkroo]

Try to find some connections of these to YiJing 易经. What you said is a typical Japanese version. In feudal times, the properly order is 礼 义 仁 智 信 and the five aspects connect each other. It's a society ragulation mainly remains in culture level but Yi Jing is the philosophy which contains in our blood.

 

[hans]

It seems much like Chinese ...
We also call for these behavior..
Yet in China, Benevolence 仁 - Jin, Morality　義 - Gi, Respect　礼 - Rei are more important than others..
While I think Bushido focus more on 勇- Yu,名誉 - Meiyo,忠義 - Chugi...

The three North East Asian civilizations: China, Korea and Japan are Confucian and this defines the core basis of said societies. Every social factor revolves on this. In my opinion, all three civilizations demonstrate all the principles of Confucianism:

1) Jen : human heartedness; goodness; benevolence; the virtue of virtues as what Kong Zi emphasized it.

2) Li: The principle of propriety, the guide to human interaction

3) Yi: Righteousness

4) Hsiao: Filial Piety; reverence

5) Chee: Moral wisdom

6) Te: Moral Law

---------------

In Japan, we expanded on the Confucian Principles by developing the Bushido Code and the Seven Virtues of Bushido:

1) Morality　義 - Gi

2. Courage 勇- Yu

3. Benevolence 仁 - Jin

4. Respect　礼 - Rei

5. Honesty　誠 - Makoto

6.Honor 名誉 - Meiyo

7. Loyalty　忠義 - Chugi

 

[Aepsilons]

Try to find some connections of these to YiJing 易经. What you said is a typical Japanese version. In feudal times, the properly order is 礼 义 仁 智 信 and the five aspects connect each other. It's a society ragulation mainly remains in culture level but Yi Jing is the philosophy which contains in our blood.

Philosophy, my dear, is a man made construct. The genetic composition of people exists even before philosophies came about, even before the birth of Kong Zi and the development as well as the spread of Confucianism.

What you mean to say is that Chinese have a cultural association with Yi concept. Sure, of course. Every Confucian civilization adheres and recognizes the principle of Yi. Yi has an equal importance to the rest of the remaining 5 principles. These are all equal in importance to each other.

Actually, Kong Zi once emphasized that one should have a balance of said principles. Any deficiency in any of one principle for the gain of another will lead to disorder. And invite the wrath of Heaven.

It seems much like Chinese ...
We also call for these behavior..
Yet in China, Benevolence 仁 - Jin, Morality　義 - Gi, Respect　礼 - Rei are more important than others..
While I think Bushido focus more on 勇- Yu,名誉 - Meiyo,忠義 - Chugi...

My brother, it is true that Japanese culture is very identical to Chinese culture in regards to social harmony and the importance of confucianism in the social order. I cannot emphasize this enough. Culturally, and genetically we Japanese and you Chinese are most similar. Literally brothers if i had a word to describe the similarities. We just have some issues in conflict , but besides this, we are almost identical.

But then again, it is also common for rivalry between brothers.

 

[hans]

Then let`s work for the unite and merge of east aisa!

Philosophy, my dear, is a man made construct. The genetic composition of people exists even before philosophies came about, even before the birth of Kong Zi and the development as well as the spread of Confucianism.

What you mean to say is that Chinese have a cultural association with Yi concept. Sure, of course. Every Confucian civilization adheres and recognizes the principle of Yi. Yi has an equal importance to the rest of the remaining 5 principles. These are all equal in importance to each other.

Actually, Kong Zi once emphasized that one should have a balance of said principles. Any deficiency in any of one principle for the gain of another will lead to disorder. And invite the wrath of Heaven.



My brother, it is true that Japanese culture is very identical to Chinese culture in regards to social harmony and the importance of confucianism in the social order. I cannot emphasize this enough. Culturally, and genetically we Japanese and you Chinese are most similar. Literally brothers if i had a word to describe the similarities. We just have some issues in conflict , but besides this, we are almost identical.

But then again, it is also common for rivalry between brothers.

 

[jkroo]

Philosophy, my dear, is a man made construct. The genetic composition of people exists even before philosophies came about, even before the birth of Kong Zi and the development as well as the spread of Confucianism.

What you mean to say is that Chinese have a cultural association with Yi concept. Sure, of course. Every Confucian civilization adheres and recognizes the principle of Yi. Yi has an equal importance to the rest of the remaining 5 principles. These are all equal in importance to each other.

Actually, Kong Zi once emphasized that one should have a balance of said principles. Any deficiency in any of one principle for the gain of another will lead to disorder. And invite the wrath of Heaven.

You just failed to do your research. What I say is not to deny Confucius. And from your explaination, I know much more about Confucianism than you. Why not try to understand others good offers?

 

[Aepsilons]

Then let`s work for the unite and merge of east aisa!

This is what I wish , because this will enable the prosperity of Japan, Korea and China.

Filial Brothers we three are. We share over 2 millennia of common bond, history. And blood relations.

 

[jkroo]

And in blood means heritage. Your comments about this is funny, isn't it?

 

[Aepsilons]

You just failed to do your research. What I say is not to deny Confucius. And from your explaination, I know much more about Confucianism than you. Why not try to understand others good offers?

If I failed to address your point, my apologies, i was not trying to offend you in any way. I merely suggested that Yi (Righteousness) is not innate for any group of people. One simply is not born more righteous than one person. Righteousness (Yi) is judged not by man, but by Heaven.

And in blood means heritage. Your comments about this is funny, isn't it?

Do you know that the first ruler of the Yamato Dynasty was a Korean from Bekjae ? And it was common custom for the early Dynasty of Japan for the Emperors to marry Korean or Chinese princesses ? If one were to examine the chronology of the Imperial House, the early progenitors are Korean and Chinese royals.

 

[hans]

Right!
We have the same appearance, the similar culture and the common interest.
With united and merged east Asia, there will be a great market with sufficient population, high tech.
East Asia will be the most important place in the world..
Also it helps to deal with common issue like energy supply, protection of transportation line.
Both the three countries rely so much on outside energy/material supplier and trade with other part of the world..

This is what I wish , because this will enable the prosperity of Japan, Korea and China.

Filial Brothers we three are. We share over 2 millennia of common bond, history. And blood relations.