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Hai’: Okinawa pro-independence campaigners look to Scotland for inspiration
Published time: September 15, 2014 12:58
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Campaigners from the southern Japanese region of Okinawa have traveled to Scotland to find inspiration in the ‘Yes’ campaign and boost support for their own independence bid.

Although Okinawa’s independence movement is much smaller than Scotland’s, local activists say a sovereign state free from economically debilitating US military bases and Tokyo subsidies provide a firm basis for self-determination.

Masaki Tomochi, a leading member of Okinawa’s independence movement and a professor of economics at Okinawa International University, will travel around Scotland in coming days alongside a journalist and a group of fellow campaigners from the chain of southern Japanese islands that make up Okinawa. The group hopes to speak with Scottish voters, academics and a number of Scottish National Party (SNP) members.

A primary purpose of the trip is to discern how the UK and wider international community will react should Scotland’s yes vote reign supreme on September 18, Tomochi says.

“Scotland has every right to be independent and to take decisions about its own future. That's what people all over the world want, including the people of Okinawa," Tomochi recently told the Guardian.

Okinawa’s pro-independence movement has posted a manifesto on its website, which mirrors that of the SNP in many ways.

Characterized by covert collusion amidst Tokyo and Washington, which began with a clandestine postwar agreement to allow the US administration to set up military bases there indefinitely, campaigners say the region’s history is one of bloodshed and sacrifice at the behest of mainland Japan.

In recent times, the deployment of MV-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft in Okinawa – along with the relocation of a controversial military base – have compounded public resentment towards centralized Japanese rule. Tomochi insists a declaration of independence from the Japanese government and a reversion to sovereign rule is the only solution to these ongoing issues.



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Ministries of Japan, government buildings,Tokyo. (Image from wikipedia.org)

While Okinawa covers a mere 0.6 percent of Japan’s total landmass, it harbors over half the nation’s 47,000 US troops and 75 percent of its US bases. Although some Okinawans depend on the US military’s presence for employment, pro-independence campaigners argue the military bases weaken the local economy, which is currently the poorest of Japan’s 47 official territories.

Campaigners’ opposition to the American military’s presence in Okinawa centers largely on the planned relocation of Futenma - a large US marine base located in the center of a populated area - to an offshore territory on Okinawa Island’s north-eastern coast. Opinion polls indicate an overwhelming 74 percent of locals oppose the relocation, and fears the proposed offshore runway could jeopardize residents’ safety and local marine life are widespread.

Despite local opposition to the development, both Japan’s and America’s governments are determined to pursue the plan, which would render Okinawa Island a critical US military base if a conflict over the neighboring Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands’ sovereignty were to emerge with China.

A colonial question?
Prior to its annexation by Japan in 1879, the Okinawa chain of islands formed an independent kingdom known as the Ryukyus. Okinawa Island, itself, was home to one of the most brutal battles of the Asia-Pacific war, culminating in 240,000 casualties. The territory remained under the control of US authorities until 1972, after which it was returned to the Japanese government.

As they descend upon Scottish soil, Okinawan activists hope to learn how Scotland’s ‘yes’ campaign gathered such widespread momentum in the run up to the referendum. Like their Scottish allies, pro-independence residents of Okinawa have been accused of compromising the region’s economy and security.

But Okinawa’s pro-independence campaigners firmly believe the region could be a viable nation, with many local inhabitants referencing Singapore as a useful economic model. Tomochi argues Tokyo’s economic control over Okinawa Island is an extension of colonial rule, and that the Japanese government’s investment of up to $100 billion in its local economy is misleading, because much of this money is siphoned off by Japanese enterprises.



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Okinawa Island. (Reuters/Kyodo)

Concerns the Island may fall under the control of Chinese authorities in the event of independence are unfounded, according to Tomochi, who insists Okinawans are ethnically divergent from mainland Japanese in terms of language and culture.

"We would be far more likely to be invaded by Japan. China never invaded us for centuries when this was an independent kingdom," he says.

The evolution of Scotland’s recent independence movement illustrates how mounting frustration with a far-removed centralized government can build over time into a forceful drive for self-determination. Until the 1980s, a mere 15 percent of Scotland’s populace backed independence from Britain. Yet days from a referendum that could terminate a political union twice as old as that of Japan and Okinawa, that figure is closer to 50 percent.

This striking turnaround occurred largely because the politics that characterized the union changed. Westminster rule appeared increasingly removed from, and out of kilter with, Scotland’s interests, prompting socio-political space for nationalist ideals to develop in Scotland’s public consciousness.

Okinawa’s pro-independence movement envisions a sovereign state freed of its military burden, with a thriving economy centered on trade with China and south-east Asia. But while Scotland’s independence referendum came into being as a result of the British government’s decision to grant it, the Japanese government will not give Okinawa the same choice.

‘Hai’: Okinawa pro-independence campaigners look to Scotland for inspiration — RT UK
 
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"We would be far more likely to be invaded by Japan. China never invaded us for centuries when this was an independent kingdom," he says.

Well it is sad but the invasion is already over, back then nobody heard their cry, our failing Qing dynasty would have been the one only possible support, but we werent able to protect ourself back then, much less anybody else. As of today while like most chinese I do have sympathy for them, but I do doubt their chance for success after all those times under Japanese (and in less sense american) rather effective colonization. When looking at Okinawa I could rarely see anybody who is not of native japanese, it would be tragic to see the similiar fate of the ainu people. How many native people of Ryukyu are left and how many of them will answer the call of independence? it is less than optimistic.

However depending on future events there will be shifting of balance in the region, and the american presence wont be able keep its grip so far away forever, especially if various crisis around the world keep popping up for US, straining american ressources by overextension and failing crisis management. If the american presence does retreat from Ryukyu islands for whatever reason, there might be an delicate oppertunity for independence of Ryukyu, however people of Ryukyu need internal unity and commitment to independence, combined with external support from all surrounding nations(china, korea and russia) to pressure japan by any means available. Right now thats still far off dream.
 
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seriously, china should have their hands in this and scotland too. secretly fund them or whatever.. stirring shit up. let them play chinese game for a change :D
 
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Forget about Okinawa, focus right now is Scotland :D
The English have been meddling far too long with HK affairs, with Scotland gaining momentum we should be happy as it will keep them busy and to be frank we see it as a form of humiliation as the leftover of the British Empire is about to shrink in size once again.
 
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Forget about Okinawa, focus right now is Scotland :D
The English have been meddling far too long with HK affairs, with Scotland gaining momentum we should be happy as it will keep them busy and to be frank we see it as a form of humiliation as the leftover of the British Empire is about to shrink in size once again.

Well Scotland means little when i look at history and connection to Ryukyu, imagine a nation which had continously friendly relationship with China for over five centuries, from the day of first contact to its destruction (we were incapable at the time but we have failed their trust nonetheless). Now its almost like a fairy tale which makes me feel nostalgic.
 
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Well Scotland means little when i look at history and connection to Ryukyu, imagine a nation which had continously friendly relationship with China for over five centuries, from the day of first contact to its destruction (we were incapable at the time but we have failed their trust nonetheless). Now its almost like a fairy tale which makes me feel nostalgic.

I'd rather have Mongolia back integrated with China once again. :lol: Now that's what i call nostalgia
You can be nostalgic about a once independent Ryukyu as a very good tribute state but those days are gone ever since Japan took it with force and China couldn't have prevented it.
 
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I'd rather have Mongolia back integrated with China once again. :lol: Now that's what i call nostalgia
You can be nostalgic about a once independent Ryukyu as a very good tribute state but those days are gone ever since Japan took it with force and China couldn't have prevented it.

The vast majority of Mongolian are still being considered as chinese citizen so the integration never stopped, the group in outer mongolia would be problematic though, their distrust against chinese has been carefully nurtured for generations. The importance of China - Russia relationship will prevent any major political change in the forseeable future. Maybe China could manage to maintain control over their economy, but thats about it. I would even say that Ryukyu independence is more likely than a reunification with outer mongolia.
 
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The vast majority of Mongolian are still being considered as chinese citizen so the integration never stopped, the group in outer mongolia would be problematic though, their distrust against chinese has been carefully nurtured for generations. The importance of China - Russia relationship will prevent any major political change in the forseeable future. Maybe China could manage to maintain control over their economy, but thats about it. I would even say that Ryukyu independence is more likely than a reunification with outer mongolia.

I'd say both are unlikely, but since China is controlling Mongolia's economy i'm perfectly fine with it. Being squeezed between two of the most powerful countries, Mongolia's fate depends on the good relations they share with China despite the disrust they have for us.
 
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NO.... Okinawa want independence? Oh Why? That mean the Japan economic is collapsing anytime soon. What next Tokyo will want independence too.
 
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I'd say both are unlikely, but since China is controlling Mongolia's economy i'm perfectly fine with it. Being squeezed between two of the most powerful countries, Mongolia's fate depends on the good relations they share with China despite the disrust they have for us.

Outer Mongolia was an artificial construct made by USSR to divide and weaken China, they have also tried with Xinjiang and Northeastern China, during the earlier years of peoples republic the major supporter of islamic separatists in Xinjiang were in fact Russians. The aggression of Russia today are nothing compared with in the older days, fortunately their agression are no longer directed at us as today both of us need cooperation more than ever.

Seeing the Mongolians from outher Mongolia could be frustrating if you were unlucky enough to face the existing delutional racism and irrational behaviours. However I do admire the sacrifices made by their ancestors to protect China against colonial powers back in the old age, even if they have failed their attempt. The historical records has shown the commitment of their ancestors, for example in the disastrous battle of Palikao, from the conversation of Sengge Rinchen and mongolian soldiers as the last heirs of elite mongolian caverlry, at that point it was obvious that they as any other citizen of China/Qing empire were convinced that China is their home and must be protected at any costs, while the strength of european invaders were overwhelming and the defeat of Mongolian soldiers certain, they charged in nevertheless and sacrificed everything for their country. However they might be turning in their graves if they could look at the state in outer mongolia, in the end it was part of their descendents who got fooled by foreigners and broke away from China for which they have sacrificed everything to protect.
 
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Outer Mongolia was an artificial construct made by USSR to divide and weaken China, they have also tried with Xinjiang and Northeastern China, during the earlier years of peoples republic the major supporter of islamic separatists in Xinjiang were in fact Russians. The aggression of Russia today are nothing compared with in the older days, fortunately their agression are no longer directed at us as today both of us need cooperation more than ever.

Seeing the Mongolians from outher Mongolia could be frustrating if you were unlucky enough to face the existing delutional racism and irrational behaviours. However I do admire the sacrifices made by their ancestors to protect China against colonial powers back in the old age, even if they have failed their attempt. The historical records has shown the commitment of their ancestors, for example in the disastrous battle of Palikao, from the conversation of Sengge Rinchen and mongolian soldiers as the last heirs of elite mongolian caverlry, at that point it was obvious that they as any other citizen of China/Qing empire were convinced that China is their home and must be protected at any costs, while the strength of european invaders were overwhelming and the defeat of Mongolian soldiers certain, they charged in nevertheless and sacrificed everything for their country. However they might be turning in their graves if they could look at the state in outer mongolia, in the end it was part of their descendents who got fooled by foreigners and broke away from China for which they have sacrificed everything to protect.

Inner Mongolia has it better compared to Outer Mongolia is pretty obvious by now. If only those idiots didn't break away from China. Those who were fooled should turn around in the graves and take a good look of their proud Outer Mongolia compared to the present China.
 
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Inner Mongolia has it better compared to Outer Mongolia is pretty obvious by now. If only those idiots didn't break away from China. Those who were fooled should turn around in the graves and take a good look of their proud Outer Mongolia compared to the present China.

Sadly most of them wont even be able to realize what they have lost, and those few who do are too proud to ever admit it. Stalin did a better job in cleaning up the house in outer mongolia than anybody else, and by cleaning I mean the mongolian culture, tradition, religion and even certain bloodlines. It was like our cutural revolution there, only much worse, since there wasnt much there to begin with and there was no visionary leader like premier zhou who would protect most important sites in all the chaos. Monglian leaders in outer mongolia back then had little say in the matter and the Russian leaders were anything but interested in preserving the "mongolian culture".
 
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Sadly most of them wont even be able to realize what they have lost, and those few who do are too proud to ever admit it. Stalin did a better job in cleaning up the house in outer mongolia than anybody else, and by cleaning I mean the mongolian culture, tradition, religion and even certain bloodlines. It was like our cutural revolution there, only much worse, since there wasnt much there to begin with and there was no visionary leader like premier zhou who would protect most important sites in all the chaos. Monglian leaders in outer mongolia back then had little say in the matter and the Russian leaders were anything but interested in preserving the "mongolian culture".

The Russians also couldn't care less helping them to develop, i wonder if that even occurred to them after they got what they wanted. Today's generation needs China more than ever, recent news revealed they want to have access to our sea port so they can ship their products to other markets. That alone would not have been an issue had they sticked with us.
 
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Sadly most of them wont even be able to realize what they have lost, and those few who do are too proud to ever admit it. Stalin did a better job in cleaning up the house in outer mongolia than anybody else, and by cleaning I mean the mongolian culture, tradition, religion and even certain bloodlines. It was like our cutural revolution there, only much worse, since there wasnt much there to begin with and there was no visionary leader like premier zhou who would protect most important sites in all the chaos. Monglian leaders in outer mongolia back then had little say in the matter and the Russian leaders were anything but interested in preserving the "mongolian culture".

The funniest part is that some of them consider themselves as the "True Mongolian" and claim that they were the master of China during Yuan dynasty, while the fact is Outer Mongolian ancestors were not even Mongolian back in those days and the most important thing is, Yuan dynasty was found by Inner Mongolian (Golden Family), not Khalkha.
 
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