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Hes a revert....
To us Zafarwal-indian punjab has the is important... cutting off supplies to IOK..
The scenario unfolding has no Indian Punjab. It will be Khalistan which will be an ally of the Muslims of the east and west, and PRC.
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You have overlooked the Indian lethargy and bureaucracy. The Hindus (less Rajputs) are not a people who can rule themselves or conduct war independently. By the time they get their act together, Chinese and Pakistani nukes would have evaporated much of their capability. In any case, it is known Indian nuclear capability is pretty basic. Their delivery systems are unsatisfactory. It is doubtful they can deliver any projectile with nuke on target.
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Reference to relevant threads:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/164048-kalu_miahs-new-world-order-road-map-future.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180771-geopolitics-gcc-region.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180774-geopolitics-african-union.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180755-geopolitics-asean-region.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180767-geopolitics-eurasia-region.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...e-indonesia-aviation-industry-3-billions.html
OIC member state population are about equally distributed in the 3 regions - Arab League-African Union, Eurasia+ and ASEAN+. Among OIC member states, the following are important and potentially important states:
GCC, Turkey, Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, Bangladesh (Iran is important, but for the moment we will keep it out of discussion till they resolve their internal/external problems)
The main ideas of OICMIC is standardization of military hardware and technology transfer from capable countries. At present the country that has achieved the highest amount of tech transfer is Turkey and the source of this technology is South Korea. So we will discuss the relationship between Turkey and South Korea next and how this relationship can be leveraged by other OIC member countries using the OICMIC concept.
S. Korea emerges as key military tech partner for Turkey | World Tribune
S. Korea emerges as key military tech partner for Turkey
Special to WorldTribune.com
ANKARA — South Korea has been playing a major role in projects forTurkey’s military. Industry sources said South Korea has been engaged in more than $2 billion worth of projects for Turkey’s military.
South Korea’s XK2 is the basis of Turkey’s
co-produced Altay main battle tank.
The sources said the East Asian state was selected by the Turkish Defense Ministry for Seoul’s willingness to transfer technology and production to Ankara.
“Turkey badly needs a credible Western-aligned industrial partner for military production, and right now this is South Korea,” an industry source said.
South Korea has been involved in at least four major Turkish military projects. The largest of them was the co-production of South Korean 155 mm artillery batteries for the Turkish Army, reported at $1 billion. For nearly 20 years, the artillery has been assembled in Turkey under a license by Seoul.
Hyundai Rotem has been partnered with Turkey’s Otokar for the development of Ankara’s first indigenous main battle tank. Under the $500 million project, Hyundai would assemble four MBT prototypes, called Altay, by 2017.
Korea Aerospace Industries has become a major client of the Turkish Air Force. KAI has been a partner with the state-owned Turkish Aerospace Industries, to assemble 50 primary trainers in a program reported at $450 million. The sources said the last of the aircraft were expected to be
completed by 2013.
KAI has also been negotiating to become a partner in Turkey’s project to develop a fighter-jet over the next decade. TAI has drafted a feasibility study and was searching for international partners, including KAI, which coproduced the T-50 light attack plane.
The government of Prime Minister Recep Erdogan has been lobbying Seoul to award defense contracts to Turkish companies. TAI has been short-listed for South Korea’s efforts to procure up to 50 attack helicopters by the end of the decade. Turkey exports about $500 million worth of products to South Korea, with Seoul providing $6.5 billion.
asad71 Bhai, this Mamba guy and others are trolling, please do not respond to their troll posts as they are off topic. If you would like to discuss Chinese invasion of India, please do it in another relevant thread or open a new one. Thanks in advance.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/164048-kalu_miahs-new-world-order-road-map-future.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180771-geopolitics-gcc-region.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180774-geopolitics-african-union.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180755-geopolitics-asean-region.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180767-geopolitics-eurasia-region.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...e-indonesia-aviation-industry-3-billions.html
OIC member state population are about equally distributed in the 3 regions - Arab League-African Union, Eurasia+ and ASEAN+. Among OIC member states, the following are important and potentially important states:
GCC, Turkey, Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, Bangladesh (Iran is important, but for the moment we will keep it out of discussion till they resolve their internal/external problems)
The main ideas of OICMIC is standardization of military hardware and technology transfer from capable countries. At present the country that has achieved the highest amount of tech transfer is Turkey and the source of this technology is South Korea. So we will discuss the relationship between Turkey and South Korea next and how this relationship can be leveraged by other OIC member countries using the OICMIC concept.
S. Korea emerges as key military tech partner for Turkey | World Tribune
S. Korea emerges as key military tech partner for Turkey
Special to WorldTribune.com
ANKARA — South Korea has been playing a major role in projects forTurkey’s military. Industry sources said South Korea has been engaged in more than $2 billion worth of projects for Turkey’s military.
South Korea’s XK2 is the basis of Turkey’s
co-produced Altay main battle tank.
The sources said the East Asian state was selected by the Turkish Defense Ministry for Seoul’s willingness to transfer technology and production to Ankara.
“Turkey badly needs a credible Western-aligned industrial partner for military production, and right now this is South Korea,” an industry source said.
South Korea has been involved in at least four major Turkish military projects. The largest of them was the co-production of South Korean 155 mm artillery batteries for the Turkish Army, reported at $1 billion. For nearly 20 years, the artillery has been assembled in Turkey under a license by Seoul.
Hyundai Rotem has been partnered with Turkey’s Otokar for the development of Ankara’s first indigenous main battle tank. Under the $500 million project, Hyundai would assemble four MBT prototypes, called Altay, by 2017.
Korea Aerospace Industries has become a major client of the Turkish Air Force. KAI has been a partner with the state-owned Turkish Aerospace Industries, to assemble 50 primary trainers in a program reported at $450 million. The sources said the last of the aircraft were expected to be
completed by 2013.
KAI has also been negotiating to become a partner in Turkey’s project to develop a fighter-jet over the next decade. TAI has drafted a feasibility study and was searching for international partners, including KAI, which coproduced the T-50 light attack plane.
The government of Prime Minister Recep Erdogan has been lobbying Seoul to award defense contracts to Turkish companies. TAI has been short-listed for South Korea’s efforts to procure up to 50 attack helicopters by the end of the decade. Turkey exports about $500 million worth of products to South Korea, with Seoul providing $6.5 billion.
asad71 Bhai, this Mamba guy and others are trolling, please do not respond to their troll posts as they are off topic. If you would like to discuss Chinese invasion of India, please do it in another relevant thread or open a new one. Thanks in advance.
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12 January 2013
Turkeys Asia-Pacific Initiative: An Outlook for 2012
by Selcuk Colakoglu
Ankaras policy of expansion in the Asia-Pacific continued into 2012. Comprising the largest geographical region of the world, the Asia-Pacific has become the heart of the global economy thanks to the colossal economies it harbors. Turkey, not wanting to remain indifferent to the region, has also been developing policies in recent years to establish closer ties with the Asia-Pacific countries. Prioritizing bilateral relations in particular, Turkey is seen establishing close contact with G20 countries, with China, Japan, South Korea, India, Indonesia, and Australia heading the list. Additionally, Ankara is conducting a policy of expansion towards countries with which it has had weak ties in the past. Accordingly, Turkish embassies have been established in Nepal and Myanmar while Singapore and Sri Lanka have each established embassies in Ankara.
Strategic relations with China
China was, without a doubt, the country with which the most active bilateral relations were conducted in 2012. The traffic that started with Vice President of PRC Xi Jinpings visit to Turkey in February 2012 accelerated with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğans visit to China which took place in April 2012.
At the same time, there were differences encountered along the Ankara-Beijing link with respect to the perspective on global politics. With the Arab Spring that started in early 2011, Turkey and China began assuming disparate positions. While China supported the Arab regimes, arguing that under no conditions should there be intrusion into the internal affairs of nations, Turkey took up a posture of supporting the popular upheavals. The dissent between the two countries deepened with the Syrian crisis. In the process, Turkey came to better appreciate the importance of its alliance with NATO; Russia, China, and Iran continued to support the Assad regime in Syria. This state of affairs caused the formation of the Sino-Turkish strategic partnership, announced in 2010, to be stunted. As it is well known, the essence of a strategic partnership between two countries involves establishing strong concordance in words and deeds with respect to international politics.
In the process, Turkey realized that it did not share a common denominator with China in terms of such political values as democracy and human rights. China, on the other hand, started coming to the conclusion that when forced to choose, Turkey would opt for the NATO alliance. At that point, both countries developed rational attitudes to prevent such crises from affecting overall relations. In other words, there were numerous contacts realized between the two sides over the Syrian crisis, but the countries had to settle with explaining their positions on the matter.
During the process, both sides prioritized economic cooperation. Investment by Chinese companies in Turkey and their support of the Turkish finance sector, as well as the construction of high speed railways, are among the significant projects realized over the last year. If the close to $20 billion nuclear power plant project in Sinop, a Black Sean Turkish city, is awarded to a Chinese firm, the current economic cooperation will have been elevated to a more strategic status.
Turkey and China have also made good progress during the last year for the development of social and cultural cooperation. Due to 2012 being the Year of Chinese Culture in Turkey, numerous cultural activities took place with a focus on China. And the designation of 2013 as being the Year of Turkish Culture in China will provide an important opportunity for the people of the two countries to find out about each other. While Turkey and China have not yet been able to establish a strategic partnership, they are taking solid steps towards cultivating their bilateral cooperation.
From friendship to partnership with South Korea
The Turkish-South Korean relations continued their consistent development through 2012. Korean President Lee Myung-bak made an important visit to Turkey in February 2012. Prime Minister Erdoğan, on the other hand, had bilateral contacts with Korean authorities when he visited Seoul in March 2012 to attend the Nuclear Security Summit. As a sign of these high level contacts, the Free Trade Agreement (FTA), being negotiated since 2010, was signed in August 2012. The bilateral economic relations are expected to be enhanced further through the FTA. The Korean side wants to overcome the gap that works to Turkeys disadvantage by having Korean firms perform direct investments in the country and through technology transfers in certain sectors.
South Korea being an important contender for the Sinop nuclear power plant project affords a significant opportunity as well in terms of moving the economic cooperation to the next level. Ankara and Seoul having wonderful relations since 1948 also makes South Korea an important partner in terms of the defense industry, nuclear energy and technology transfer. Based on this aspect, the two countries attempted to come up with a road map in 2012 to form a strategic partnership. For such a partnership, however, strong economic relations need to be supported with shared policies possessing a global vision. Despite all the expressions of friendship, the weak level of contacts between the peoples of the two countries is a factor hindering progress for multi-dimensional partnership. Steps are expected to be implemented in 2013, which will bolster the Turkish-Korean strategic partnership.
Slow-down relations with Japan
Turkeys relations with Japan, its oldest partner in Asia, experienced a halting progress through the 2000s.The attempts in 2012 aimed at reanimating the relations were not highly successful. Japan, who had for a long time been Turkeys largest trade partner in Asia, has surrendered this position in the last decade to China, South Korea, and India. Of course, the recession that the Japanese economy has been experiencing since the early 1990s has had a lot to do with this. Furthermore, while Turkeys political, economic and cultural relations with South Korea, China, India, Indonesia and Vietnam have seen developments in recent years, relations with Japan could be said to be treading water, and in fact, retrograding. Much more effort needs to be put in to revive the relations in 2013 than whats been accomplished so far.
Friendship with Pakistan, partnership with India
For a long time, Pakistan remained a steadfast friend and a sister country. Isolated during the Cold War, Turkey and Pakistan were each others sole supporters. The NATO intervention in Afghanistan following 9/11 also started destabilization in Pakistan, with natural disasters and political instability bringing the Pakistani economy on the brink of collapse. Turkey heads the list of countries providing support for Pakistans political stability and economic development. And since 2007, Turkey has been playing the role of the mediator in the process of normalization of the Pakistan-Afghanistan relations. Throughout 2012 the Turkey-Pakistan friendship has been nurtured through high level visits. However the economic and people to people relations between the two countries are highly lacking. Based on Pakistans predicament, the relations are not expected to become multi-dimensional in 2013.
On the other hand, India, Pakistans historical rival, became a significant trade partner for Turkey with the advent of the 2000s. Cooperation between the two countries started to develop at a global scale within the G20 framework. So much so that India has surpassed Japan and South Korea in recent years to become Turkeys largest commercial partner in Asia, following China. There is currently determination between Ankara and New Delhi to extend bilateral relations further; however, Ankara is concerned about developing the aforementioned relations without necessarily neglecting Islamabad. The increased dialogue between Pakistan and India in recent times has soothed Turkey in this regard. In the final analysis, Turkey is in a position of being the sole country without direct political interest that can inspire trust on both countries. In the new era, to overcome the mistrust between the two countries, Ankara may propose a tripartite partnership of India-Pakistan-Turkey to be established, much like the Afghanistan-Pakistan-Turkey tripartite dialog that exists. If such a project is successful, Turkey may strengthen its partnership with India, while at the same time staying friends with Pakistan.
Humanitarian undertaking at Myanmar
Turkey is one of the countries most attentive to the plight of the Rohingya Muslims affected by the break out of conflict during the summer 2012 in the Rakhine (Arakan) state of Myanmar. Furthermore, Ankara started an initiative aimed at the region despite having almost non-existing relations with Myanmar. A delegation headed by the Minister of Foreign Affairs Ahmet Davutoğlu made an official visit to Myanmar where a Turkish Embassy had only been established in March 2012. Davutoğlu who met with Myanmar President Thein Sein in August 2012 then traveled to the Rakhine State and visited the refugee camps sheltering the Muslims and the Buddhists. Davutoğlus attempt at trying to contribute to a solution to the problem by establishing a dialog with the Myanmar government can be seen as a positive undertaking by Turkey.
Successful mediation at the Philippines
The negotiations conducted between the Philippine Government and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), one of the mediations assumed in Asia by Turkey, were concluded successfully in October2012. Acting as the mediator in the conflict and formed under the auspices of the United Nations, the International Contact Group included Turkey as well, along with the United Kingdom, Japan and Saudi Arabia. Turkey was one of the countries extended thanks by Benigno Aquino, the President of the Philippines, at the peace agreement signing ceremony. Through this opportunity, Turkey in 2013 can develop projects that can help further develop its lacking relations with the Philippines, and also provide for the Moro Muslims to be integrated into the system.
Expanding relations with Indonesia
Indonesia, a powerful member of ASEAN and also a G20 nation, is a country of priority with which Turkey wants to further relations. The bilateral relations have started to be revitalized through mutual high level visits which took place in recent years. At the same time, as of 2012, the level of relations is far from adequate from the perspective of either country. Indonesia, named as one of the emerging economies along with Turkey, is expected in the near future to become one of the ten largest economies in the world. Accordingly, Turkey needs to continue to take steps in 2013 directed at intensifying its relations with Indonesia.
Brunei: A bonus country
Without a doubt the country with which Turkey achieved the most significant enhancement of relations in 2012 compared to the past, was Brunei. Two high-level visits took place in 2012 between this tiny and oil-rich country of the Southeast Asia and Turkey. First, the Sultan of Brunei Hassanal Bolkiah made a historic visit to Turkey in April 2012. During the visit, numerous bilateral agreements of cooperation were signed, including the establishment of mutual embassies. Then Prime Minister Erdoğan made a surprise visit to Brunei following the Bali Democracy Forum that took place in November 2012. Accordingly, in the one year period that ended, the initial mutual visits at the level of head of state and head of government have been accomplished. Brunei is expected to provide strong support to Turkey as part of Turkeys strategy for furthering its relations with ASEAN.
Possible risks for 2013
It may be expressed that in 2012, Turkeys overall Asia-Pacific strategy has continued to develop. The number of contacts has shown an increase at all levels for the last year.At the same time, it still cannot be said that Turkey has developed an overall strategy for Asia-Pacific. Turkeys relations with the region are generally being conducted bilaterally.
The highest risk for 2013 is utmost attention in Turkish foreign politics being expanded largely on the Middle East, due to the developments related to the Arab Spring and especially the crises centering on Syria and Iraq. In such a case, Turkey may not be able to allocate sufficient time and resources to the steps it needs to take with respect to its long-term Asia-Pacific strategy. In fact, indications of this started to appear in 2012. Calls from countries in Asia to further relations were not able to be met fully. The approval afforded to Turkey by countries in Asia, much like those by the world in general, has increased in recent years. It could hurt Turkeys credibility in the region to show itself as ambitious, yet not do what is required to bolster its Asian strategy.
In the final analysis, the relations to be established with Asias emerging and colossal economies carry significant importance with respect to Turkeys vision for the future. For its performance in Asia will also be an indicator for whether Turkey will be able to attain a significant capacity for power as argued.
*The Turkish version of this article was first published in the January 2013 issue of USAK's monthly journal, 'Analist'.
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Uluslararas? Stratejik Ara?t?rmalar Kurumu
Journal Of Turkish Weekly
www.usakgundem.com
12 January 2013
Turkeys Asia-Pacific Initiative: An Outlook for 2012
by Selcuk Colakoglu
Ankaras policy of expansion in the Asia-Pacific continued into 2012. Comprising the largest geographical region of the world, the Asia-Pacific has become the heart of the global economy thanks to the colossal economies it harbors. Turkey, not wanting to remain indifferent to the region, has also been developing policies in recent years to establish closer ties with the Asia-Pacific countries. Prioritizing bilateral relations in particular, Turkey is seen establishing close contact with G20 countries, with China, Japan, South Korea, India, Indonesia, and Australia heading the list. Additionally, Ankara is conducting a policy of expansion towards countries with which it has had weak ties in the past. Accordingly, Turkish embassies have been established in Nepal and Myanmar while Singapore and Sri Lanka have each established embassies in Ankara.
Strategic relations with China
China was, without a doubt, the country with which the most active bilateral relations were conducted in 2012. The traffic that started with Vice President of PRC Xi Jinpings visit to Turkey in February 2012 accelerated with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğans visit to China which took place in April 2012.
At the same time, there were differences encountered along the Ankara-Beijing link with respect to the perspective on global politics. With the Arab Spring that started in early 2011, Turkey and China began assuming disparate positions. While China supported the Arab regimes, arguing that under no conditions should there be intrusion into the internal affairs of nations, Turkey took up a posture of supporting the popular upheavals. The dissent between the two countries deepened with the Syrian crisis. In the process, Turkey came to better appreciate the importance of its alliance with NATO; Russia, China, and Iran continued to support the Assad regime in Syria. This state of affairs caused the formation of the Sino-Turkish strategic partnership, announced in 2010, to be stunted. As it is well known, the essence of a strategic partnership between two countries involves establishing strong concordance in words and deeds with respect to international politics.
In the process, Turkey realized that it did not share a common denominator with China in terms of such political values as democracy and human rights. China, on the other hand, started coming to the conclusion that when forced to choose, Turkey would opt for the NATO alliance. At that point, both countries developed rational attitudes to prevent such crises from affecting overall relations. In other words, there were numerous contacts realized between the two sides over the Syrian crisis, but the countries had to settle with explaining their positions on the matter.
During the process, both sides prioritized economic cooperation. Investment by Chinese companies in Turkey and their support of the Turkish finance sector, as well as the construction of high speed railways, are among the significant projects realized over the last year. If the close to $20 billion nuclear power plant project in Sinop, a Black Sean Turkish city, is awarded to a Chinese firm, the current economic cooperation will have been elevated to a more strategic status.
Turkey and China have also made good progress during the last year for the development of social and cultural cooperation. Due to 2012 being the Year of Chinese Culture in Turkey, numerous cultural activities took place with a focus on China. And the designation of 2013 as being the Year of Turkish Culture in China will provide an important opportunity for the people of the two countries to find out about each other. While Turkey and China have not yet been able to establish a strategic partnership, they are taking solid steps towards cultivating their bilateral cooperation.
From friendship to partnership with South Korea
The Turkish-South Korean relations continued their consistent development through 2012. Korean President Lee Myung-bak made an important visit to Turkey in February 2012. Prime Minister Erdoğan, on the other hand, had bilateral contacts with Korean authorities when he visited Seoul in March 2012 to attend the Nuclear Security Summit. As a sign of these high level contacts, the Free Trade Agreement (FTA), being negotiated since 2010, was signed in August 2012. The bilateral economic relations are expected to be enhanced further through the FTA. The Korean side wants to overcome the gap that works to Turkeys disadvantage by having Korean firms perform direct investments in the country and through technology transfers in certain sectors.
South Korea being an important contender for the Sinop nuclear power plant project affords a significant opportunity as well in terms of moving the economic cooperation to the next level. Ankara and Seoul having wonderful relations since 1948 also makes South Korea an important partner in terms of the defense industry, nuclear energy and technology transfer. Based on this aspect, the two countries attempted to come up with a road map in 2012 to form a strategic partnership. For such a partnership, however, strong economic relations need to be supported with shared policies possessing a global vision. Despite all the expressions of friendship, the weak level of contacts between the peoples of the two countries is a factor hindering progress for multi-dimensional partnership. Steps are expected to be implemented in 2013, which will bolster the Turkish-Korean strategic partnership.
Slow-down relations with Japan
Turkeys relations with Japan, its oldest partner in Asia, experienced a halting progress through the 2000s.The attempts in 2012 aimed at reanimating the relations were not highly successful. Japan, who had for a long time been Turkeys largest trade partner in Asia, has surrendered this position in the last decade to China, South Korea, and India. Of course, the recession that the Japanese economy has been experiencing since the early 1990s has had a lot to do with this. Furthermore, while Turkeys political, economic and cultural relations with South Korea, China, India, Indonesia and Vietnam have seen developments in recent years, relations with Japan could be said to be treading water, and in fact, retrograding. Much more effort needs to be put in to revive the relations in 2013 than whats been accomplished so far.
Friendship with Pakistan, partnership with India
For a long time, Pakistan remained a steadfast friend and a sister country. Isolated during the Cold War, Turkey and Pakistan were each others sole supporters. The NATO intervention in Afghanistan following 9/11 also started destabilization in Pakistan, with natural disasters and political instability bringing the Pakistani economy on the brink of collapse. Turkey heads the list of countries providing support for Pakistans political stability and economic development. And since 2007, Turkey has been playing the role of the mediator in the process of normalization of the Pakistan-Afghanistan relations. Throughout 2012 the Turkey-Pakistan friendship has been nurtured through high level visits. However the economic and people to people relations between the two countries are highly lacking. Based on Pakistans predicament, the relations are not expected to become multi-dimensional in 2013.
On the other hand, India, Pakistans historical rival, became a significant trade partner for Turkey with the advent of the 2000s. Cooperation between the two countries started to develop at a global scale within the G20 framework. So much so that India has surpassed Japan and South Korea in recent years to become Turkeys largest commercial partner in Asia, following China. There is currently determination between Ankara and New Delhi to extend bilateral relations further; however, Ankara is concerned about developing the aforementioned relations without necessarily neglecting Islamabad. The increased dialogue between Pakistan and India in recent times has soothed Turkey in this regard. In the final analysis, Turkey is in a position of being the sole country without direct political interest that can inspire trust on both countries. In the new era, to overcome the mistrust between the two countries, Ankara may propose a tripartite partnership of India-Pakistan-Turkey to be established, much like the Afghanistan-Pakistan-Turkey tripartite dialog that exists. If such a project is successful, Turkey may strengthen its partnership with India, while at the same time staying friends with Pakistan.
Humanitarian undertaking at Myanmar
Turkey is one of the countries most attentive to the plight of the Rohingya Muslims affected by the break out of conflict during the summer 2012 in the Rakhine (Arakan) state of Myanmar. Furthermore, Ankara started an initiative aimed at the region despite having almost non-existing relations with Myanmar. A delegation headed by the Minister of Foreign Affairs Ahmet Davutoğlu made an official visit to Myanmar where a Turkish Embassy had only been established in March 2012. Davutoğlu who met with Myanmar President Thein Sein in August 2012 then traveled to the Rakhine State and visited the refugee camps sheltering the Muslims and the Buddhists. Davutoğlus attempt at trying to contribute to a solution to the problem by establishing a dialog with the Myanmar government can be seen as a positive undertaking by Turkey.
Successful mediation at the Philippines
The negotiations conducted between the Philippine Government and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), one of the mediations assumed in Asia by Turkey, were concluded successfully in October2012. Acting as the mediator in the conflict and formed under the auspices of the United Nations, the International Contact Group included Turkey as well, along with the United Kingdom, Japan and Saudi Arabia. Turkey was one of the countries extended thanks by Benigno Aquino, the President of the Philippines, at the peace agreement signing ceremony. Through this opportunity, Turkey in 2013 can develop projects that can help further develop its lacking relations with the Philippines, and also provide for the Moro Muslims to be integrated into the system.
Expanding relations with Indonesia
Indonesia, a powerful member of ASEAN and also a G20 nation, is a country of priority with which Turkey wants to further relations. The bilateral relations have started to be revitalized through mutual high level visits which took place in recent years. At the same time, as of 2012, the level of relations is far from adequate from the perspective of either country. Indonesia, named as one of the emerging economies along with Turkey, is expected in the near future to become one of the ten largest economies in the world. Accordingly, Turkey needs to continue to take steps in 2013 directed at intensifying its relations with Indonesia.
Brunei: A bonus country
Without a doubt the country with which Turkey achieved the most significant enhancement of relations in 2012 compared to the past, was Brunei. Two high-level visits took place in 2012 between this tiny and oil-rich country of the Southeast Asia and Turkey. First, the Sultan of Brunei Hassanal Bolkiah made a historic visit to Turkey in April 2012. During the visit, numerous bilateral agreements of cooperation were signed, including the establishment of mutual embassies. Then Prime Minister Erdoğan made a surprise visit to Brunei following the Bali Democracy Forum that took place in November 2012. Accordingly, in the one year period that ended, the initial mutual visits at the level of head of state and head of government have been accomplished. Brunei is expected to provide strong support to Turkey as part of Turkeys strategy for furthering its relations with ASEAN.
Possible risks for 2013
It may be expressed that in 2012, Turkeys overall Asia-Pacific strategy has continued to develop. The number of contacts has shown an increase at all levels for the last year.At the same time, it still cannot be said that Turkey has developed an overall strategy for Asia-Pacific. Turkeys relations with the region are generally being conducted bilaterally.
The highest risk for 2013 is utmost attention in Turkish foreign politics being expanded largely on the Middle East, due to the developments related to the Arab Spring and especially the crises centering on Syria and Iraq. In such a case, Turkey may not be able to allocate sufficient time and resources to the steps it needs to take with respect to its long-term Asia-Pacific strategy. In fact, indications of this started to appear in 2012. Calls from countries in Asia to further relations were not able to be met fully. The approval afforded to Turkey by countries in Asia, much like those by the world in general, has increased in recent years. It could hurt Turkeys credibility in the region to show itself as ambitious, yet not do what is required to bolster its Asian strategy.
In the final analysis, the relations to be established with Asias emerging and colossal economies carry significant importance with respect to Turkeys vision for the future. For its performance in Asia will also be an indicator for whether Turkey will be able to attain a significant capacity for power as argued.
*The Turkish version of this article was first published in the January 2013 issue of USAK's monthly journal, 'Analist'.
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Syrian Conflict Could Win Ankara a Saudi Order for Altay Main Battle Tanks
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Ankara hopes that by 2017, as the first Altay MBT rolls off the production line it will be produced both for Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Photo: Savunma ve havacilik, Turkey
Turkey’s defense industry may sell hundreds of new generation Altay battle tanks (video) to Saudi Arabia, as the two countries show a common understanding on the civil war in Syria – Defense-Update reports.
The rift between Sunni and Shiite Muslims reflected in the Syrian Civil war could open new business opportunities for Turkish defense industries, the Turkish Hurriyet Daily News reports. One of the main prospects, Saudi Arabia is sharing political and strategic interest with Turkey, particularly over the Syrian civil war and support for Syrian rebels. “There are indications that their political alliance with Ankara may facilitate bigger contracts,” Hurriyet quoted a top defense industry official in Turkey.
An executive from a Turkish armored vehicles manufacturer said that reinforced alliances with some of the Gulf countries over the Syrian crisis have already indicated that new contracts could be in the offing for the Turkish arms industry. “I can say that we are more warmly welcomed in certain [Gulf] capitals than before. Our counterparts have made it clear that almost excellent political relations their countries have with Turkey could soon turn into new business opportunities for Turkish defense companies,” he said.
Turkey has already offered hundreds of Altay Main Battle Tanks (MBT) to Saudi Arabia. While the Altay is still in development, Ankara is hopeful a preliminary agreement over a future order of the Altay could be struck in the near future. “The Altay is not available for immediate sale, but is potentially a powerful export product when you think of a medium-term deal. Saudis are good customers with available cash, good political ties and their need for new tanks. We are hopeful about a future deal [for the Altay],” an official with the Turkish Defense procurement agency (SSM) said. Riyadh expressed interest in modernizing its fleet of MBTs for years, but has yet to decide what tank it would like to buy. Among the platforms they have considered in the past were the leopard II, which is still in consideration, French AMX-56 Leclerc, the cancelled T-95 and its successor T-99 ‘Armata’ from Russia. Saudi Arabia already operates several hundreds American M-1A2 currently undergoing systems upgrades. New tanks are required to replace 320 AMX-30 tanks delivered from France in the 1980s.
Koç Holding’s Otokar is currently producing prototypes of the Altay MBT. Under the turkish defense procurement plan, four tranches of 250 units will be procured over the next decade, gradually replacing some 3,000 German-made Leopard 1 and US made M-60s and obsolete M48 still in service. Ankara is hopeful that a Saudi order could further improve the production cost of the new tank, expected to begin in 2017, establishing the new tank’s position in the export market.
Otokar Altay Main Battle Tank
http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey-defence/251199-saudi-arabia-buy-altay-mbts.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey-defence/247449-saudi-arabia-shows-interest-buy-anka-altay.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey-defence/211194-altay-mbt-news-discussions-22.html
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Syrian Conflict Could Win Ankara a Saudi Order for Altay Main Battle Tanks
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Ankara hopes that by 2017, as the first Altay MBT rolls off the production line it will be produced both for Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Photo: Savunma ve havacilik, Turkey
Turkey’s defense industry may sell hundreds of new generation Altay battle tanks (video) to Saudi Arabia, as the two countries show a common understanding on the civil war in Syria – Defense-Update reports.
The rift between Sunni and Shiite Muslims reflected in the Syrian Civil war could open new business opportunities for Turkish defense industries, the Turkish Hurriyet Daily News reports. One of the main prospects, Saudi Arabia is sharing political and strategic interest with Turkey, particularly over the Syrian civil war and support for Syrian rebels. “There are indications that their political alliance with Ankara may facilitate bigger contracts,” Hurriyet quoted a top defense industry official in Turkey.
An executive from a Turkish armored vehicles manufacturer said that reinforced alliances with some of the Gulf countries over the Syrian crisis have already indicated that new contracts could be in the offing for the Turkish arms industry. “I can say that we are more warmly welcomed in certain [Gulf] capitals than before. Our counterparts have made it clear that almost excellent political relations their countries have with Turkey could soon turn into new business opportunities for Turkish defense companies,” he said.
Turkey has already offered hundreds of Altay Main Battle Tanks (MBT) to Saudi Arabia. While the Altay is still in development, Ankara is hopeful a preliminary agreement over a future order of the Altay could be struck in the near future. “The Altay is not available for immediate sale, but is potentially a powerful export product when you think of a medium-term deal. Saudis are good customers with available cash, good political ties and their need for new tanks. We are hopeful about a future deal [for the Altay],” an official with the Turkish Defense procurement agency (SSM) said. Riyadh expressed interest in modernizing its fleet of MBTs for years, but has yet to decide what tank it would like to buy. Among the platforms they have considered in the past were the leopard II, which is still in consideration, French AMX-56 Leclerc, the cancelled T-95 and its successor T-99 ‘Armata’ from Russia. Saudi Arabia already operates several hundreds American M-1A2 currently undergoing systems upgrades. New tanks are required to replace 320 AMX-30 tanks delivered from France in the 1980s.
Koç Holding’s Otokar is currently producing prototypes of the Altay MBT. Under the turkish defense procurement plan, four tranches of 250 units will be procured over the next decade, gradually replacing some 3,000 German-made Leopard 1 and US made M-60s and obsolete M48 still in service. Ankara is hopeful that a Saudi order could further improve the production cost of the new tank, expected to begin in 2017, establishing the new tank’s position in the export market.
Otokar Altay Main Battle Tank
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http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/275237-bangladesh-get-otokar-cobra-ii-lav.html
The above is another small example of OICMIC, Bangladesh starting to buy Turkish Otokar Cobra.
Saudi Arabia is already interested in Altay MBT, now other GCC states, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh and Brunei should consider the Altay for their next MBT purchase under OICMIC concept. Pakistan already produces AK with Chinese collaboration and Ukrain engine. Since Altay is going to be of higher quality, Pakistan should consider trying this route as well, if it does not jeopardize its relations with China too much. A higher production volume will bring down the cost and help save all customers money and then it can be sold to other countries in Asia, Africa and South America as a viable alternative for Western, Russian or Chinese MBTs. I think the main selling point will be higher quality product compared to Russian and Chinese products, comparable quality to Western products, but lower in cost.
The above is another small example of OICMIC, Bangladesh starting to buy Turkish Otokar Cobra.
Saudi Arabia is already interested in Altay MBT, now other GCC states, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh and Brunei should consider the Altay for their next MBT purchase under OICMIC concept. Pakistan already produces AK with Chinese collaboration and Ukrain engine. Since Altay is going to be of higher quality, Pakistan should consider trying this route as well, if it does not jeopardize its relations with China too much. A higher production volume will bring down the cost and help save all customers money and then it can be sold to other countries in Asia, Africa and South America as a viable alternative for Western, Russian or Chinese MBTs. I think the main selling point will be higher quality product compared to Russian and Chinese products, comparable quality to Western products, but lower in cost.
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Buying Otokar has been a departure from our traditional sources. With a govt which will repair ties with the Muslim nations, we may go for JVs in arms production and export with nations like Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, etc. Altay is too heavy for our terrain. Even MBT-2000 at 48 ton is heavy but would be useful in trans-border ops.
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Excellent question. Here is some relevant thread where Altay was considered for Pakistan as an alternative to Al Khalid, AK-I and AK-II:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-army/90661-should-next-al-khalid-based-turkish-altay-tank.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...quire-altay-tanks-turkiye-10.html#post3616569
I somewhat agree with the above conclusion. The biggest different between the two platforms is the weight:
Altay (tank) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 65 tons
Al-Khalid tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 46-47 tons
Type 10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 43-48 tons
While for Korea and Turkey both have hard soil terrains, the same is not true for most of South Asia. Depending on terrain, different countries would need a different mix of these heavy and lighter MBTs. Funny thing is Japan also has hard soil terrain similar to Korea, but they have limited land based threat and they may have chosen a smaller lighter tank for their own internal reason, although it is quite expensive (11.3 million) and not available for export or joint venture.
While Altay will meet the need for the heavy model for OICMIC standard, I would propose that Turkey and Pakistan (perhaps South Korea as well if needed) work together to come up with a joint venture to develop a new AK-II platform that will meet the need for the lighter tank (below 50 ton), which many countries in OIC and in Asia, Mid-east, Africa and South America can possibly use. This new AK-II will have:
- the existing AK or AK-I or improved lighter main body and turret (46-47 ton) of AK-II
- change the engine and transmission from Ukraine source to Korean source if and when it becomes a success:
S. Korea's battle tank fails engine test again
K2 tank fails engine test again
- change over to Turkish indigenous engine and transmission when it becomes ready in the future
- change all on-board systems from existing imported (what countries are they sourced from?) to Turkish indigenous weapons/target and other systems
Since Taxilla plant is already producing the AK and AK-I tanks and are planning for AK-II, I think the above should be considered, because Korean sourcing will beat Ukrainian quality eventually and Turkish sourcing for all components other than the main body and turret is in line with OICMIC strategy. If Pakistan and Turkey can come up with this new AK-II, it will be a market disrupt-er and attractive for many countries for their light tank model, including OIC and non-OIC states.
If Koreans fail to develop the power pack, then there will be no other option but to remain with Ukrainian engine and transmission (Turkey and South Korea as part of NATO or non-NATO allies can depend on German power pack but others cannot), while the other systems can be changed to Turkish indigenous system. Bangladesh Army, regardless of which political party is in power, should choose this new AK-II platform over the Chinese origin one, as we should support a OIC member state under this OICMIC strategy and hopefully GCC states will use their influence in Bangladesh and Bangladesh Army to make this happen.
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Japanese and Korean defense R&D:
Technical Research and Development InstitutebR&D | Department of Ground Systems Development
Defense Acquisition Program Administration - DAPA
Korean fighters, present and future:
KAI T-50 Golden Eagle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
KAI KF-X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
South Korea FX-III likely to end up with f-15se instead of F-35
Problem with Korean fighter programs is that they have no indigenous engine program.
Japan's fighters, present and future:
Kawasaki T-4 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Japan Tackles Perils To Building, Selling Its Own Next-Gen Fighter « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary
Japan needs a large export market to afford its indigenous fighter F-X program to developed over next few decades.
The most logical option for Japan is to develop a common platform together with neighbor South Korea, after accepting Korean claim of Dokdo and any other bilateral issues, like apologizing for the comfort women in war time and other abuses during 1910 to 1945 colonial occupation:
Japan ready to sign South Korea military agreement in light of North’s aggressions - The Japan Daily Press
I believe the ball is in Japan's court. And only Japan in East Asia, other than China, has the industrial base and financial power to pull off a full indigenous fighter program together with an indigenous engine program.
If a destitute and poor country like India can dare to have this:
I think it is a shame that Japan and South Korea do not have their own engine and fighter programs. Japan already has the ability, ihi xf5-1 developed for ATD-X:
Mitsubishi ATD-X (Shinshin)*Experimental 5th Generation Fighter Concept - History, Specs and Pictures - Military Aircraft
If Japan and South Korea can resolve their differences and cooperate in military projects like the indigenous engine and fighter program, with export markets in ASEAN, Turkey, GCC states, Africa and South America, then it will be great for all the small states in the world, who can then invest and depend on this platform of their own instead of current limited options available from large powerful states.
Technical Research and Development InstitutebR&D | Department of Ground Systems Development
Defense Acquisition Program Administration - DAPA
Korean fighters, present and future:
KAI T-50 Golden Eagle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
KAI KF-X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
South Korea FX-III likely to end up with f-15se instead of F-35
Problem with Korean fighter programs is that they have no indigenous engine program.
Japan's fighters, present and future:
Kawasaki T-4 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Japan Tackles Perils To Building, Selling Its Own Next-Gen Fighter « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary
Japan needs a large export market to afford its indigenous fighter F-X program to developed over next few decades.
The most logical option for Japan is to develop a common platform together with neighbor South Korea, after accepting Korean claim of Dokdo and any other bilateral issues, like apologizing for the comfort women in war time and other abuses during 1910 to 1945 colonial occupation:
Japan ready to sign South Korea military agreement in light of North’s aggressions - The Japan Daily Press
I believe the ball is in Japan's court. And only Japan in East Asia, other than China, has the industrial base and financial power to pull off a full indigenous fighter program together with an indigenous engine program.
If a destitute and poor country like India can dare to have this:
I think it is a shame that Japan and South Korea do not have their own engine and fighter programs. Japan already has the ability, ihi xf5-1 developed for ATD-X:
Mitsubishi ATD-X (Shinshin)*Experimental 5th Generation Fighter Concept - History, Specs and Pictures - Military Aircraft
If Japan and South Korea can resolve their differences and cooperate in military projects like the indigenous engine and fighter program, with export markets in ASEAN, Turkey, GCC states, Africa and South America, then it will be great for all the small states in the world, who can then invest and depend on this platform of their own instead of current limited options available from large powerful states.
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Relevant threads:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-far-east/275741-could-japan-developing-nuclear-weapons.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/275937-japanese-plan-indian-ocean-bangladesh.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-far-east/276839-japan-s-diplomatic-agenda-asia-pacific.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle-east-africa/276175-japanese-south-korean-fighter-planes.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-far-east/275741-could-japan-developing-nuclear-weapons.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/275937-japanese-plan-indian-ocean-bangladesh.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-far-east/276839-japan-s-diplomatic-agenda-asia-pacific.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle-east-africa/276175-japanese-south-korean-fighter-planes.html
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cross posted:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...s-implication-regional-world-geopolitics.html
I have long advocated the idea of ASEAN+ as an optimum and balanced solution for the geopolitical conundrum in this region. There is a rising China and a somewhat slowly rising India. Both countries rise is threatening for their neighbors in terms of security, but creates economic opportunity for smaller regional nations, mainly in the case of China. To offset this security threat, continued presence of US bases and US alliance as an offshore balancer seems to be the solution that Japan and South Korea chose, although the US initially came in uninvited as a victor in WW II and as a cold war rival of Communist Russia and China in Korea, dividing up the peninsula.
ASEAN+ would be good for all nations in the region, because its a workable compromise:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180755-geopolitics-asean-region.html
Unfortunately Japan has initiated in a wrong course in recent months. What Japan is trying to do is betting its future with continued US supremacy in world stage and in East Asia and form the following Diamond alliance, as it became clear that US Pivot to Asia is nothing but words, which essentially mean the EU will need to start taking more responsibility for its own defence and security arrangement, without putting further burden on US taxpayers. This Diamond alliance has four main geographical entities:
- USA, Alaska
- Australia
- Japan
- India
And it will possibly include some ASEAN nations that are having territorial problems with China, such as Vietnam and Philippines.
This is a wrong long term approach for the following reasons:
By choosing to ally with India and thus helping Indias attempts to rise in competition with China, the risk for Japan is that it will antagonize all nations that considers India as a threat - these nations are nations that border India (including China) or are nearby such as Sri Lanka, as well as most Muslims nations of the world who consider India as one of the most anti-Muslim nations of the world. Although India contains the 2nd or 3rd largest Muslim population of the world after Indonesia and possibly Pakistan, as is shown from the recent riots, Muslim lives are not safe and secure in India, they are under constant threat for random riot incidents, instigated by Hindutva radical extremist political parties and their activists. A militarily more powerful India will not only translate into more threat perception by Muslim nations in South Asia, but also for Muslim nations elsewhere, regardless of the facade of good relations its diplomats have managed to achieve with some of these nations.
Japans latest attempt to join India in an alliance and thus empower this Hindutva terrorist and radical extremist infested nation, will be a continuation of Japanese racist and imperialist policies that it engaged in during WW II and caused untold atrocities killing many millions among many different nations, including China, who bore the main brunt of Japanese attempt to subjugate almost all of East Asia. It seems Japan has not learned from its past mistakes, in fact Japan has not yet apologized the way Germany has. History of Japans self defeating policies go much further back in history. Yamato Wa, a fledgeling Japanese country in 7th century, had close cultural and family links with the royal dynasty of Baekje, a small Korean kingdom, during the 3 kingdoms era. Yamato Wa tried to help its ally by sending an Armada in a last ditch effort to save that kingdom. Unfortunately the Armada faced a crushing defeat and total annihilation at the hand of Silla-Tang alliance:
Battle of Baekgang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A recent historical Korean drama covers this battle and the background in great detail. I will try to post a link to it later.
I would urge China and ASEAN nations to reconsider the ASEAN+ idea to persuade Japan away from choosing this wrong path. If Japan is adamant and continues in this path, as is usually the case when it has made up its mind, then I predict that the following scenario may emerge in the rest of the region:
1. Instead of Japan and South Korea taking the lead in developing and integrating the ASEAN countries, it will be China and South Korea who will take the lead, just like the Silla-Tang alliance in old days, standing up against an Imperialist Japan and its new lackey, India
2. China and South Korea will work together to reduce Japanese and Indian influence in the region, so the ASEAN+ idea will remain intact, but it will exclude Japan and include China as the main leader and sponsor, but not formally a part of it
3. ASEAN nations such as Vietnam and Philippines who will go along with the Japanese plan, will be excluded from the ASEAN economic and infrastructure integration plan till they decide to end their support for the India-Japan axis plan and approach
3. Since Vietnam borders China, I believe it will be possible to persuade them using economic incentives and reaching some bilateral compromise about territorial issues
4. Philippines on the other hand will be harder to handle, because of Western influence, although Chinese should make sustained efforts to bring them back closer to other ASEAN nations. If all attempts fail, then China and other ASEAN and Muslim nations spread out in Asia and Africa should reduce trade with all nations that will join this new Japan-India axis of racism bent on genocide of their neighbors
Just like Japan has planned a Japan-India axis as part of the Diamond alliance, Japan is testing the water for another alliance with another large neighbor of China who is close to China, but at the same time feels threatened by Chinas rise at some level. This large neighbor happens to be Russia. Shinzo Abe has been visiting many of Chinas neighbors in recent months and Russia is one of these countries. Recently there has been some thawing of relationship between the two countries. The 4 northern islands that Russia occupied at the tail end of WW II, Russia is considering shared use with Japan for at least 2 of these islands.
To counter Japanese foray in Eurasia, Chinese could help to create a competing Southern Eurasian Union, comprising of Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. A stable region like this has tremendous development potential and could work to reduce Russian influence and finally draw in the 5 Central Asian stans.
Reference:
Decision Time for India Regarding a Security Alliance
Wanted: An Externally Oriented Japan | Nippon.com
Abbott's challenge in Asia
Australia and India: Indo-Pacific Partners / ISN
Hagel says joint exercise expansion key to Asia Pacific pivot -- Defense Systems
Japan and India: The making of a new alliance? / ISN
India Places Its Asian Bet on Japan: Roiling the Waters of the Asia-Pacific ?????????????????????????? :: JapanFocus
A Russia-China Alliance Brewing? | The Diplomat
Russia seeks informal alliance with Japan - Arlington Foreign Policy | Examiner.com
China sees encircle ploy in India ties
China-Russia cooperation vs US-Japan military alliance
Working for India or against Islam? Islamophobia in Indian American Lobbies
Priorities for Japan
Shifting Definitions of
The following threads in PDF cover similar subject:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...threatens-india-japan-strategic-alliance.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...tage-china-japan-disputes-chinese-expert.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-far-east/255626-india-japan-pantomime-message-china.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...an-bet-japan-roiling-waters-asia-pacific.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...circle-ploy-india-ties-big-boys-big-guns.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/227148-forging-india-japan-n-axis.html
The Indian Piece of Abe's Security Diamond
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...s-implication-regional-world-geopolitics.html
I have long advocated the idea of ASEAN+ as an optimum and balanced solution for the geopolitical conundrum in this region. There is a rising China and a somewhat slowly rising India. Both countries rise is threatening for their neighbors in terms of security, but creates economic opportunity for smaller regional nations, mainly in the case of China. To offset this security threat, continued presence of US bases and US alliance as an offshore balancer seems to be the solution that Japan and South Korea chose, although the US initially came in uninvited as a victor in WW II and as a cold war rival of Communist Russia and China in Korea, dividing up the peninsula.
ASEAN+ would be good for all nations in the region, because its a workable compromise:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180755-geopolitics-asean-region.html
Unfortunately Japan has initiated in a wrong course in recent months. What Japan is trying to do is betting its future with continued US supremacy in world stage and in East Asia and form the following Diamond alliance, as it became clear that US Pivot to Asia is nothing but words, which essentially mean the EU will need to start taking more responsibility for its own defence and security arrangement, without putting further burden on US taxpayers. This Diamond alliance has four main geographical entities:
- USA, Alaska
- Australia
- Japan
- India
And it will possibly include some ASEAN nations that are having territorial problems with China, such as Vietnam and Philippines.
This is a wrong long term approach for the following reasons:
By choosing to ally with India and thus helping Indias attempts to rise in competition with China, the risk for Japan is that it will antagonize all nations that considers India as a threat - these nations are nations that border India (including China) or are nearby such as Sri Lanka, as well as most Muslims nations of the world who consider India as one of the most anti-Muslim nations of the world. Although India contains the 2nd or 3rd largest Muslim population of the world after Indonesia and possibly Pakistan, as is shown from the recent riots, Muslim lives are not safe and secure in India, they are under constant threat for random riot incidents, instigated by Hindutva radical extremist political parties and their activists. A militarily more powerful India will not only translate into more threat perception by Muslim nations in South Asia, but also for Muslim nations elsewhere, regardless of the facade of good relations its diplomats have managed to achieve with some of these nations.
Japans latest attempt to join India in an alliance and thus empower this Hindutva terrorist and radical extremist infested nation, will be a continuation of Japanese racist and imperialist policies that it engaged in during WW II and caused untold atrocities killing many millions among many different nations, including China, who bore the main brunt of Japanese attempt to subjugate almost all of East Asia. It seems Japan has not learned from its past mistakes, in fact Japan has not yet apologized the way Germany has. History of Japans self defeating policies go much further back in history. Yamato Wa, a fledgeling Japanese country in 7th century, had close cultural and family links with the royal dynasty of Baekje, a small Korean kingdom, during the 3 kingdoms era. Yamato Wa tried to help its ally by sending an Armada in a last ditch effort to save that kingdom. Unfortunately the Armada faced a crushing defeat and total annihilation at the hand of Silla-Tang alliance:
Battle of Baekgang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A recent historical Korean drama covers this battle and the background in great detail. I will try to post a link to it later.
I would urge China and ASEAN nations to reconsider the ASEAN+ idea to persuade Japan away from choosing this wrong path. If Japan is adamant and continues in this path, as is usually the case when it has made up its mind, then I predict that the following scenario may emerge in the rest of the region:
1. Instead of Japan and South Korea taking the lead in developing and integrating the ASEAN countries, it will be China and South Korea who will take the lead, just like the Silla-Tang alliance in old days, standing up against an Imperialist Japan and its new lackey, India
2. China and South Korea will work together to reduce Japanese and Indian influence in the region, so the ASEAN+ idea will remain intact, but it will exclude Japan and include China as the main leader and sponsor, but not formally a part of it
3. ASEAN nations such as Vietnam and Philippines who will go along with the Japanese plan, will be excluded from the ASEAN economic and infrastructure integration plan till they decide to end their support for the India-Japan axis plan and approach
3. Since Vietnam borders China, I believe it will be possible to persuade them using economic incentives and reaching some bilateral compromise about territorial issues
4. Philippines on the other hand will be harder to handle, because of Western influence, although Chinese should make sustained efforts to bring them back closer to other ASEAN nations. If all attempts fail, then China and other ASEAN and Muslim nations spread out in Asia and Africa should reduce trade with all nations that will join this new Japan-India axis of racism bent on genocide of their neighbors
Just like Japan has planned a Japan-India axis as part of the Diamond alliance, Japan is testing the water for another alliance with another large neighbor of China who is close to China, but at the same time feels threatened by Chinas rise at some level. This large neighbor happens to be Russia. Shinzo Abe has been visiting many of Chinas neighbors in recent months and Russia is one of these countries. Recently there has been some thawing of relationship between the two countries. The 4 northern islands that Russia occupied at the tail end of WW II, Russia is considering shared use with Japan for at least 2 of these islands.
To counter Japanese foray in Eurasia, Chinese could help to create a competing Southern Eurasian Union, comprising of Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. A stable region like this has tremendous development potential and could work to reduce Russian influence and finally draw in the 5 Central Asian stans.
Reference:
Decision Time for India Regarding a Security Alliance
Wanted: An Externally Oriented Japan | Nippon.com
Abbott's challenge in Asia
Australia and India: Indo-Pacific Partners / ISN
Hagel says joint exercise expansion key to Asia Pacific pivot -- Defense Systems
Japan and India: The making of a new alliance? / ISN
India Places Its Asian Bet on Japan: Roiling the Waters of the Asia-Pacific ?????????????????????????? :: JapanFocus
A Russia-China Alliance Brewing? | The Diplomat
Russia seeks informal alliance with Japan - Arlington Foreign Policy | Examiner.com
China sees encircle ploy in India ties
China-Russia cooperation vs US-Japan military alliance
Working for India or against Islam? Islamophobia in Indian American Lobbies
Priorities for Japan
Shifting Definitions of
The following threads in PDF cover similar subject:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...threatens-india-japan-strategic-alliance.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...tage-china-japan-disputes-chinese-expert.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-far-east/255626-india-japan-pantomime-message-china.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...an-bet-japan-roiling-waters-asia-pacific.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...circle-ploy-india-ties-big-boys-big-guns.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/227148-forging-india-japan-n-axis.html
The Indian Piece of Abe's Security Diamond
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Now that it is clear that Japan will no longer be a trusted partner in technology transfer, Korea will remain the main West allied technology source, whereas GCC, Turkey and Indonesia should work with Korea as well as the West to transfer and develop as much indigenous technology as possible. Pakistan is close to China so it is going to go the route of Chinese technology platforms in most cases, but it should be and already is working with Turkey to develop indigenous technology as well (the attack heli being a recent example). China although it does not have the level of technology like the West, it is rapidly advancing in almost all fields, which the Muslim nations should also emulate as much as possible and share technology with them when possible.
In this regard, I would like bring up the idea of two specific product development projects:
- Turbofan engine R&D and production in one of the GCC states, possibly in KSA
- Travelling Wave Reactor R&D, not sure in what country this will be suitable
Maybe I should create separate threads for the above two ideas and post a link for them here.
In this regard, I would like bring up the idea of two specific product development projects:
- Turbofan engine R&D and production in one of the GCC states, possibly in KSA
- Travelling Wave Reactor R&D, not sure in what country this will be suitable
Maybe I should create separate threads for the above two ideas and post a link for them here.
That is a wonderful idea. I just propose a way of how to implement it. First of all there is need for a prior consent of at least three such OIC members that have political will and stability, wealth and some expertise in the field of military technology. Turkey has some expertise, Qatar or Brunie could be a good financing source, Malaysia, if convinced, has political will. Pakistan would be good for negotiation with China, and an alternative for Malaysia, but unfortunately it faces a political turmoil and a crisis of leadership these days. Though Iran has established political system, but will priortize its extensionest strategy and hence should only be considered in extremis. Countries like Saudi and UAE have the necessary monetary potential, but they are so dependent on Western advice that they will not be ready for domestic production of the technology for the sake of the exporters.
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I am glad you like the idea. Definitely we are no way even in initial stages, but we have many elements to start a movement towards making it happen, eventually. As for Saudi and UAE, I think your impressions are not correct, but I will let posters from these countries address that. Yes we all work within constraints but the idea is to push the envelop creatively so we can go towards our desired goal.
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