OHP frigates for Pakistan Navy (USS KLARKING, USS DE WERT , USS ROBERT G BRADLEY) OHP FRIGATES

[Penguin]

Sir,please can you tell us how much will the current balance between Indian Navy and the Pakistani Navy be altered if these 3 OHP Class frigates join the P.N. by 2016.I mean will they enhance the surface capabilties of the P.N. to a great extent considering the fact that the present I.N. fleet doesn't have anything in comparison to these beasts.

They are limited - obviously - in antiship and antiair capability by the removal of the mk13. However, they still make good ASW platforms.

As for the IN lacking in comparison .... are you looking for trouble?

when USA deliver us first OHP , they take out some weapon systems

Like what? Which weapon systems? Please document your assertion with supporting references.

 

[Mike_Brando]

They are limited - obviously - in antiship and antiair capability by the removal of the mk13. However, they still make good ASW platforms.

As for the IN lacking in comparison .... are you looking for trouble?


Like what? Which weapon systems? Please document your assertion with supporting references.
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What i meant to say that these frigates are obviously much more advanced to anything that I.N. is currently having in it's fleet.Plus the rolling stone air defense missiles will be a game changer in any future Indo-Pak naval confrontation.Plus the air-defense network of I.N. is totally obsolete till the induction of Barak-8 SAM,so having the OHP frigates will give P.N. an upper hand in any confrontation.

 

[Penguin]

What i meant to say that these frigates are obviously much more advanced to anything that I.N. is currently having in it's fleet.Plus the rolling stone air defense missiles will be a game changer in any future Indo-Pak naval confrontation.Plus the air-defense network of I.N. is totally obsolete till the induction of Barak-8 SAM,so having the OHP frigates will give P.N. an upper hand in any confrontation.

Are you on drugs?

 

[Mike_Brando]

Are you on drugs?

I don't know why you said that but from what i have read about the OHP frigates from Wikipedia i can safely assume that once integrated in the P.N. fleet they will pose substantial risk to the I.N. surface fleet and it's air arm.Now you are the expert in this field and hence i asked you about the implications of this new development,i was not trying to troll or anything.It was a genuine question as i am quite concerned about this new development.

 

[Penguin]

I don't know why you said that but from what i have read about the OHP frigates from Wikipedia i can safely assume that once integrated in the P.N. fleet they will pose substantial risk to the I.N. surface fleet and it's air arm.Now you are the expert in this field and hence i asked you about the implications of this new development,i was not trying to troll or anything.It was a genuine question as i am quite concerned about this new development.

As I said: They are limited - obviously - in antiship and antiair capability by the removal of the mk13 launcher arm in 2003. So, why do you think they pose substantial risk to the I.N. surface fleet and it's air arm?

 

[Mike_Brando]

As I said: They are limited - obviously - in antiship and antiair capability by the removal of the mk13 launcher arm in 2003. So, why do you think they pose substantial risk to the I.N. surface fleet and it's air arm?

Sir because of the 40 SM-1R/RIM-66 SAM that they carry plus their usual load of 8 Harpoon Blk-II ASHM poses a serious risk to the I.N.fleet.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Just because we do not have the MK13 launcher now does not mean we cannot enhance the ship with future upgrade

But one has to really appreciate what we are getting 3 Proven ships , large ships not small ships large ships

These offer our Navy to patrol with Authority on coast and protect against submarine threat
Not to mention a future Genesis upgrade could be in works like the first OHP frigate

Small modest improvement in Navy , which is really our neglected department to bring it some credibility

 

[MilSpec]

I don't know why you said that but from what i have read about the OHP frigates from Wikipedia i can safely assume that once integrated in the P.N. fleet they will pose substantial risk to the I.N. surface fleet and it's air arm.Now you are the expert in this field and hence i asked you about the implications of this new development,i was not trying to troll or anything.It was a genuine question as i am quite concerned about this new development.

Are you sure about that,
S2A:
Barak 1(12 KM), Shtil-1(15 KM), 9M311 (10 KM), 9M318 (8km), 9K33M "OSA-M" (12 km)...

ASM:
Exocet,Kh35 Kayak, Moskit, P20 Styx, Harpoon, Gabriel, 3M-54 Klub-S,3M-54 Klub-N, Sea Eagle, K15 Sagarika, BrahMos,

 

[Mike_Brando]

Are you sure about that,
S2A:
Barak 1(12 KM), Shtil-1(15 KM), 9M311 (10 KM), 9M318 (8km), 9K33M "OSA-M" (12 km)...

ASM:
Exocet,Kh35 Kayak, Moskit, P20 Styx, Harpoon, Gabriel, 3M-54 Klub-S,3M-54 Klub-N, Sea Eagle, K15 Sagarika, BrahMos,

Sir nearly all of our SAMs are point defense ones except perhaps Shtil-1 which has a range of around 30 kms.Until Barak-ER is inducted in the I.N. inventory we have no medium range SAM unlike P.N. which has got RIM-66 SAM which is a long range one.So as of now P.N. has a better air defense capability than I.N.

 

[MilSpec]

Sir nearly all of our SAMs are point defense ones except perhaps Shtil-1 which has a range of around 30 kms.Until Barak-ER is inducted in the I.N. inventory we have no medium range SAM unlike P.N. which has got RIM-66 SAM which is a long range one.So as of now P.N. has a better air defense capability than I.N.

PN doesnt have RIM 66

 

[Mike_Brando]

PN doesnt have RIM 66

But wiki says the OHP class frigate PNS Alamgir was refitted and refurbished with SAM and ASHM when it was handed over to the P.N. in 2011 but i guess i could be wrong!!

 

[MilSpec]

But wiki says the OHP class frigate PNS Alamgir was refitted and refurbished with SAM and ASHM when it was handed over to the P.N. in 2011 but i guess i could be wrong!!

USS McInerney (FFG-8) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As of 2004, Mk 13 systems removed from all active US vessels of this class. (Look in the right summary column)

 

[Mike_Brando]

USS McInerney (FFG-8) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As of 2004, Mk 13 systems removed from all active US vessels of this class. (Look in the right summary column)

Okay it seems i made a mistake here.But the question is without the MK-13 system isn't the Frigate be vulnerable to any incoming air/missile threat??

 

[MilSpec]

Okay it seems i made a mistake here.But the question is without the MK-13 system isn't the Frigate be vulnerable to any incoming air/missile threat??

PN might have the option of fitting it with the Chinese BUK "HQ something" or the HQ61 SAM, along with that PN can outfit the vessel with the Type 76 twin 37 mm naval gun, that will be decent enough defense.

 

[nvKyleBrown]

I don't mean to say its a bad deal. The ships would be provided as excess military equipment, typically this means they are given away for free, as-is. They are not new ships, so nothing on them is going to be state-of-the-art or classified - if there were classified gear, it would be removed. However, I expect this would be mostly signals gear, only useful to Pakistan in trade to Russia or China, so no point really.

The typical pattern is:
US gives away ship (possibly with strings attached)
Receiver orders refurbishment (fresh weapons, sensors, engines, etc, as needed to meet local requirements) cost borne by receiver (usually)

In the previous OHP transfer, Pakistan paid about $80million for refurbishment. I can't find details on what exactly was done, thus my curiosity in my earlier post.

The ships themselves were originally built as convoy escorts. They have served as that, and as carrier escorts, and performed solo missions as well. Their top speed is a bit slow for CBG duty, but it has been done. Their most current use has been counter-narcotics and ASW, as they do not have area-anti-air capability anymore. They are being replaced by the littoral ships now coming on line.

Congress had considered refitting the class with modern vls, but it was not deemed cost-effective, particularly since the USN is already buying replacement hulls (littoral class). USN believes the design is "maxed out", and want to retire them.

Historically, they have been very tough little (by American standards) ships. Members of the class have been hit by and survived both mines and Exocet missiles. The USS Stark (a sister to the proposed transfers) took 2 Exocets and survived. The air defense system did not detect the inbound missiles till it was too late, but the Stark was not on a wartime footing, so make of that what you will. Saddam Hussein claimed the Iraqi aircraft that fired the missiles had mistaken the Stark for an Iranian oil tanker. So, you've got the fact that maybe India will think they're innocent Iranian oil tankers going for you...