Oh dear Pakistanis/Turks: Look at the game being applied on Iran

[The SC]

Yeah, the garbage you Pakistanis have been spreading all over here is some sort of intelligence?
We anyways compile your brilliant analysis to increase our IQ levels. Search "Idiotic Musings" on Google and read the threas.

So you recognise that you are spreading garbage on this forum.. it is a good first step towards good self-analysis.. before doing it again..

 

[925boy]

When Non-Pakistanis try to talk about Pakistan, they end up looking like fools. They only spout nonsense Western propaganda, nothing more.

is this also what Indians say or think about non-Indians who spout "nonsense western propaganda and end up looking like fools"?

Ground reality here is very different and every Pakistani knows about what happens here.

if that "ground reality" is not the truth, then its just a lie. But people believe lies to protect their minds from the harshness of truth.

There was no Osama in Pakistan then because he died 2002 in Tora bora.

There was and he at least got captured/killed in Abbotabad. stop spouting nonsense and lies. For one, Bin Laden released videos within himself in it after 2002, so thats already proof that what you said is false.
Where is your evidence BIn Laden die in Tora Bora?

 

[Azadkashmir]

didnt bhutto mention bin laden died then got assassinated.

 

[Hayreddin]

1 : Both Iran and Saudi regime eaqually evil .
2 : I love n respect Turkey but it doesn't change facts .What Turkey gov utter abt israel is only talk n talk . Reality is turkey recognize Israel , only muslim country which has military n economic cooperation with Israel . Turkey a Nato Ally , More thn 90 % of their military equipment is from Nato . Turkey got US nuclear umbrella . US nuclear assets guarded by US forces in turkey .Society highly influenced by western way of living , if have doubts thn visit turkey . Turkey can't sustain any war for more thn a month without Nato / US .shortage of spare parts and many other factors. Thinking of Turkey vs Nato / US is stupidity .
3 : Malaysia and Indonesia never involved in any conflict and they wld never come for anyone rescue even whole islamic world burn to ground. They are non threat to zionists and Allies....

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

i think it does not worth it, arabs abandoned the palestinians, sunnis don't care about them, now we iranians, we shias gonna save them while they hate our guts. and the worst part is they blame us for palestine and other countries lol while they are sitting in a chair scratching their back. the other day one of these people were saying iran gonna attack mecca. man i'm saying this is not worth it.

We support the Palestinian cause because its the right thing to do,not because we want to win favor from the rest of the Muslim world which we clearly have not. If the rest of the Muslim world were not so utterly useless when it comes to there support for the Palestinians we would not be in the situation we are in right now.

The thing is, What i and you and the rest of the Iranian idiots think doesn't matter, The owners of this country are gonna do what they want period, They're openly driving the car and we're all in the back seat.

Just like every other country in the world!

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

didnt bhutto mention bin laden died then got assassinated.

All videos released after 2002 were fakes.

The first video in a long time was supposedly found by US soldiers in a cave after Tora Bora bombings, while the rest were always given to Al Jazeera Arabic.

Magically he became younger, had more black hair, and different facial features.

He was no different than Tupac, releasing videos after he died...

 

[Azadkashmir]

All videos released after 2002 were fakes.

The first video in a long time was supposedly found by US soldiers in a cave after Tora Bora bombings, while the rest were always given to Al Jazeera Arabic.

Magically he became younger, had more black hair, and different facial features.

He was no different than Tupac, releasing videos after he died...

apprently usa was looking for im around the world but fox n cnn etc were interviewing bin laden aka tim osman.

 

[PakAlp]

Full USA war with Iran would be devastating for both the parties. USA cannot send ground forces to Iran as Iranians would eat them alive, and USA has no interest in occupation of Iran. They only want to send Iran back 50years and this way Iran power in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen will collapse. Their world proxies/allies will weaken and will be destroyed and overtaken by the vampires like the Saudis and it's proxies.

The Iranian airforce is no match for the USA and allies airforce so i doubt Iran will use its full airforce nor will it be any effective. Most of it will be destroyed on the ground and those which will fly like the mig29 will be destroyed in the sky.

The USA aim will be to destroy all known nuclear facilities, missile facilities/factories. Destroy airbases. Destroy major military installments, Airports, seaports, economical, trade places, routes. This will set Iran back 50years, their military power will collapse, economy will be destroyed, poverty will increase.

This might take the usa a few weeks of heavy air attacks and missile attacks from the sea.

All this will lead to an unstable Iran and ISIS Alqaida will be able to enter Iran to cause chaos. Remember if Iran military is weakened 50%, economy weakened 50% proxies weakened 50% then the only outcome is unstable Iran full of internal issues and attacks.

Iranian opposition will try to get the power in order to change the regime and become USA stooges. This will continue for decades as Iranian mullas will fight back. This way iran wont be any threat to the Saudi establishment nor Israel so game over.

I fully oppose the war and I think Pakistan should do the same. Iran is our neighbour and a Muslim power. It will make us weaker to have Iraq next to us. We will become more weaker and unstable.

Lastly Iran has 2 options.
1st Either change their stance and accept European Usa proposals and bring peace in to their country but we all know the western world wants Iran to obey them, so they will keep making excuses in order to make you a puppet.

2nd If Russia/China sends their military/airforce to Iran to protect it. This will stop any attack on Iran as this will lead to world war 3. Take the example of Qatar and Syria. if Turkey didnt send army to Qatar then Qatar would have been a Saudi colony and if Russians army didnt enter Syria then Usa/nato would have bombed the country just like they did to Iraq and Libya.

Iranians on pdf think they have the 3rd option of a full scale war with Usa and allies and Iran will come out as a winner is just the reason why the Muslims are in this mess. We dont have the education and mindset in order to become a successful world power like in the past where we ruled the world. Our leaders make powerful speeches and we think we are untouchable. If you look at the Islamic history, our countries were powerful, our children were educated, we invented technology and military was powerful. They didn't just dream of victories, they worked harder than the rest of the world.

In the 21st century we have 50+ countries and we all hate each other. We plot against each other and then we use religion to hide our weaknesses. Iran needs to play it's cards right otherwise it will be it's downfall. Will India come to Irans rescue?

I hope Iran has security pack with Russia or China just incase of an attack. Iran needs to leave India and join China camp.

 

[Medivh]

Muslim countries (including Turkey) are in by no means capabable of cooperating or competing with West. I do not view this as a struggle between West vs Muslims but Pragmatism vs Romanticism. Muslim countries should focus on developing themselves at first, and its doable, as long as people are concerned about it.

What can you do when your politicians are all corrupt, stealing taxpayer money? This is the first problem to be solved, secondly Meritocracy should be restored, and governments should focus on modernizing infrastructure, attracting investments, improving education, making trade agreements and so on. Metarialism is the way to go if we're concerned with earthly matters, you can address religion if you're concerned with afterlife.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Full USA war with Iran would be devastating for both the parties. USA cannot send ground forces to Iran as Iranians would eat them alive, and USA has no interest in occupation of Iran. They only want to send Iran back 50years and this way Iran power in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen will collapse. Their world proxies/allies will weaken and will be destroyed and overtaken by the vampires like the Saudis and it's proxies.

The Iranian airforce is no match for the USA and allies airforce so i doubt Iran will use its full airforce nor will it be any effective. Most of it will be destroyed on the ground and those which will fly like the mig29 will be destroyed in the sky.

The USA aim will be to destroy all known nuclear facilities, missile facilities/factories. Destroy airbases. Destroy major military installments, Airports, seaports, economical, trade places, routes. This will set Iran back 50years, their military power will collapse, economy will be destroyed, poverty will increase.

This might take the usa a few weeks of heavy air attacks and missile attacks from the sea.

All this will lead to an unstable Iran and ISIS Alqaida will be able to enter Iran to cause chaos. Remember if Iran military is weakened 50%, economy weakened 50% proxies weakened 50% then the only outcome is unstable Iran full of internal issues and attacks.

Iranian opposition will try to get the power in order to change the regime and become USA stooges. This will continue for decades as Iranian mullas will fight back. This way iran wont be any threat to the Saudi establishment nor Israel so game over.

I fully oppose the war and I think Pakistan should do the same. Iran is our neighbour and a Muslim power. It will make us weaker to have Iraq next to us. We will become more weaker and unstable.

Lastly Iran has 2 options.
1st Either change their stance and accept European Usa proposals and bring peace in to their country but we all know the western world wants Iran to obey them, so they will keep making excuses in order to make you a puppet.

2nd If Russia/China sends their military/airforce to Iran to protect it. This will stop any attack on Iran as this will lead to world war 3. Take the example of Qatar and Syria. if Turkey didnt send army to Qatar then Qatar would have been a Saudi colony and if Russians army didnt enter Syria then Usa/nato would have bombed the country just like they did to Iraq and Libya.

Iranians on pdf think they have the 3rd option of a full scale war with Usa and allies and Iran will come out as a winner is just the reason why the Muslims are in this mess. We dont have the education and mindset in order to become a successful world power like in the past where we ruled the world. Our leaders make powerful speeches and we think we are untouchable. If you look at the Islamic history, our countries were powerful, our children were educated, we invented technology and military was powerful. They didn't just dream of victories, they worked harder than the rest of the world.

In the 21st century we have 50+ countries and we all hate each other. We plot against each other and then we use religion to hide our weaknesses. Iran needs to play it's cards right otherwise it will be it's downfall. Will India come to Irans rescue?

I hope Iran has security pack with Russia or China just incase of an attack. Iran needs to leave India and join China camp.

Do you mind if i dent a little bit your rhetoric?

The life or world is evolving, so is everthing built in/on/under/over/with it.

... unlike the Muslim geography in the current world order.

Could Mullahs, Wahabis and other teocratic/totalitarian figures rule any country in the west today(vice versa of course)?

Therefore comes another question:

• Would Mullahs, Wahabis and other teocratic/totalitarian figures rather rule people in such conditions (as the current world order want) or the ones in the evovling enviroment(as the current world order does not want); in other words, would Mullahs, Wahabis and other teocratic/totalitarian figures prefer being sent back to 50 years ago to evolving to the future?