Official Wishlist of Evolutionary Technologies for India's 5th Gen AMCA

[justanobserver]

For your Kind Information LCA Tejas will be inducted into air force from next year

IOC is next Month ! (recent report said close to Christmas)

 

[MAFIAN GOD]

Official Wishlist of Evolutionary Technologies for India's 5th Gen AMCA

I have few questions.
1.How many of above mentioned technologies do we possess/have now?
2.Which are the most challenging ones to develop?
3.Which of these techs we are developing right now?

 

[AMCA]

I highly doubt India will be able to produce such a plane even in the next five decades. After the colossal failure of Kevari, Indian credibility in Indigenous manufacturing of aircraft has been severely damaged..

Your Doubts are of absolutely no Significance to The Community which Is Indulged Actively In the Making of this Wonderful Aircraft nor does it make any change all that you could do is make Yourself Happy for Which I am not against.... A Colossal Failure In Kaveri Could Only be said If Its Been thrown away into the basket, but Either U are Ignorant about its Update or Refusing to See Its features.... Indian Aircraft Manufacturing hasnt been hit, Its Going really smooth....

It seems Indian ambitions are far greater than they are capable of. I would like to see and Indigenous Tejas first... maybe in the next 5 years? and then the MCA ..perhaps 10-15 years?

LOL, I understand, aswell as appreciate your ability in ambiguity , But You did refuse to mention about the Aircrafts which were manufactured In India or the Aircraft which Use Indian Softwares and Avionics.... LCA is Very Much Flying , Only thing is we are nt In a Hurry nor are we desperate enough to Induct it fast unlike some...

Only then will one be able to believe or even comprehend the Idea of India Producing a 5th Gen fighter on its own. As of Today it sure is Far fetched. India would have to be in the United States' shoes in order to even think about such a venture let alone producing it.. but its not. SO India should stop behaving like a super power.

India dosent need to be In the shoes of America to do something, I think You have mistaken India with Pakistan.... We do not need to Define our Govt or the Armed forces at the mercy of the United states, We rather buy it or make it... Begging is not our Culture nor is our habbit.... Sorry to have disappointed u with some facts, But hey If a nation could develop two 3rd gen Fighter, One 4+gen fighter aircraft, research on 4.5 gen after a Successful Joint venture of su 30 MKI and an Indigenous 5th gen program after partnering FGFA is Not Impossible, rather it takes time... Nor are we in a hurry ...

By dreaming like America, doing things like America and by trying to immitate everything that a Super Power does.. You CANT BECOME ONE.

Sitting at home fearing to do all these ,dosent make you one Either... Its better to do something rather doing nothing...

However I would like the Indian people to blindly believe their Government like they always do and stay lost in this dream.. You guys already know what your gov is gonna do in the end.. let u down.. They only put these news up for their peoples' moral to stay up..

Well, I am pretty much aware of the govt in sub continent, its common in this part of the world, Well the Only think I am Proud of Is that, My Govt even if It Over hypes, It never fails to do its duty no matter how slow,...

As of today India is still struggling with Tejas. This is a wishlist. YOU GUYS WIL ACTUALLY HAVE TO FIND A GENIE T FULFILL IT LOL.

As Of today Some people are struggling to comprehend the fact of a successful Tejas....

 

[AMCA]

Delays are unacceptable in defense my friend.. especially when u have an arch rival sitting on your borders.. and 3 decades and an enormous amount of funds for experience..?

Agreed.... But Hey Our Procurement is Not Slow, Dint you read the latest reports, India is The largest purchaser of Aircraft, Well we are not sitting idle we are purchasing as well as Making.... Neither are we loosing the Pace nor are we Risking the nation...

So I ask you whats better.. building a plane from scratch and failing with it..? or doing what your neighbors have done.

fail??? I dont see any? Which Aircraft of Ours are you talking about?? HF-Marut???, HAL Ageet???, LCA Tejas??? Su 30 MKI??? which one buddy???

I don't mean to aggrevate you guys.. just stating the facts.

If Only those were facts....

 

[AMCA]

I have few questions.
1.How many of above mentioned technologies do we possess/have now?
2.Which are the most challenging ones to develop?
3.Which of these techs we are developing right now?

Do not worry about those, Enough has been achieved and Mastered After Partnering Russian In Su 30 MKI, and FGFA.... Would get more after TOT from MMRCA... So Just relax.... Lets give them some fresh air....

 

[Haanzo]

there is a reason why this is called as a WISH-LIST wake me up when these are realized and proven better than existing tech and is REALLY helpful to the pilot

 

[AMCA]

there is a reason why this is called as a WISH-LIST wake me up when these are realized and proven better than existing tech and is REALLY helpful to the pilot

Without system requirements U cannot Make anything, wish List is Non other than the system requirement based on which the Foundations would be laid.... Everything has a wish list to start with, And India is Yet not Successful Enough to Challenge those for whom this as been a traditional Job.... Well India can sure make an Attempt to fulfill Its requirement and Needs with this....

 

[sancho]

I have few questions.
1.How many of above mentioned technologies do we possess/have now?
2.Which are the most challenging ones to develop?
3.Which of these techs we are developing right now?

At least somebody is asking the right questions, because unless news reports like this that mainly show us that we can develop cockpit designs and techs that possibly could be used in 5. gen fighters, we still have not much!

Some know how in avionics and some in composite materials, but all major points like airframe design in general, stealth design particularly, high thrust, SC/TVC capable engine, AESA radar, sensor fusion... is nothing that we have mastered yet and where we clearly need foreign help. Some of it will come through LCA MK2, or MMRCA partnerships/JV, but so far it is not realistic to think about an fully indigenous AMCA like IAF/MoD wants it.
Imo, they are even limiting AMCA, with beeing fully indigenous and not searching for partners to team up with. F35 has 9 partners, Pak Fa 1 and was offered to Brazil also, South Korea now teamed up with Indonesia and Turkey seems to have interest too. Only China and Japan are working alone so far, China because it has limited options and Pakistan can't really help in such an advanced development, Japan on the otherside is clearly one of the leading countries when it comes to advanced techs and are way beyond our capabilities in the aero field too.

Wind tunnel model of AMCA:

Mock up of Japans Mitsubishi ATD-X:

However, I still say scrap AMCA, and concentrate on LCA MK2 => FGFA = > Aura UCAV, because combined with big numbers of MKIs and MMRCAs, we don't need another fighter development!

 

[gubbi]

Much of these tech is already avilable ,like voice command in EF 2000, But still i need to see where we going to have engine and triplex fibreoptics tech

Engine is one problem here, IMHO. But the recent tests of Kaveri engine on the Il-76 testbed in Russia are any indications, then probably by the time Tejas Mk-II rolls out, we will have a mature Kaveri platform on our hands. Refinement of such a mature platform should not be a major issue.

Secondly, if some very vague reports are to be believed (I cannot find sources so you can take it with a pinch of salt), India insisted on a FBL-FCS for FGFA. Tejas already has quadruple redundant FBW-FCS tech. So does Su-30MKI and the PAK-FA. What was interesting was India's insistence on Fly-by-light (FBL) FCS for FGFA. India already has extensive expertise with fiber-optics. In layman's terms, it a little more than replacing the wires in a FBW-fcs with fiber-optic cables for a FBL-FCS.

 

[GORKHALI]

Engine is one problem here, IMHO. But the recent tests of Kaveri engine on the Il-76 testbed in Russia are any indications, then probably by the time Tejas Mk-II rolls out, we will have a mature Kaveri platform on our hands. Refinement of such a mature platform should not be a major issue.

Secondly, if some very vague reports are to be believed (I cannot find sources so you can take it with a pinch of salt), India insisted on a FBL-FCS for FGFA. Tejas already has quadruple redundant FBW-FCS tech. So does Su-30MKI and the PAK-FA. What was interesting was India's insistence on Fly-by-light (FBL) FCS for FGFA. India already has extensive expertise with fiber-optics. In layman's terms, it a little more than replacing the wires in a FBW-fcs with fiber-optic cables for a FBL-FCS.

thankyou sir,but still how can you gurantee that IAF NT GOING TO raise objection if kaveri faild to produce enough thrust ,i know kaveri is on the way after successful flight but still i believe it should b uprated 5kn more if we take 81kn at present sir as AMCA GOING TO BE AS MUCH SIZE AS MIG 29 ,is't sir ? Also you dint mention about radar ,is't going to be same as LCA MK2 Aesa sir ? ?

 

[MAFIAN GOD]

^^^
AESA radar is one of the main criteria for a fighter to be identified as 5th gen. fighter.
We are having an AESA radar development project named "Uttam".
I guess we will have AESA by LCA MK2.