Officers ask COAS Bajwa about Dawn Leaks

[Mrc]

Ok... Lets wait... We all are here..i will wait for the conclusion.. Let see, when tht conclusion comes

hell hath no fury like a women scorned..

 

[sady]

Ok... Lets wait... We all are here..i will wait for the conclusion.. Let see, when tht conclusion comes

Iron is too cold to be struck now, I agree with you nothing will come of it. I think Army is compromising for greater good that comes with a stable government. PML N knows this and is exploiting it. How can they stretch this space is anyone's guess but I think it is hoing to be considerable more than before.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Iron is too cold to be struck now, I agree with you nothing will come of it. I think Army is compromising for greater good that comes with a stable government. PML N knows this and is exploiting it. How can they stretch this space is anyone's guess but I think it is hoing to be considerable more than before.

I wonder what greater good is..army expecting to come out....by compromising on national security? And stable govt? Tht of PML N? Which loves to insult and ridicule army, does dawn leaks..and yet remains a darling of army... I am really unable to understand this phenomena.. Pml n can get away with any thing..like something as serious..as dawn leaks too, which army itself said is a breach of national security.. Woww..got to give it to Pml n... ..

 

[Village life]

I have seen many politicians judges and army officers closely,what I have realized that army officers up to the rank of brigadier are as good as one can imagine, but when ever they become generals they are not good than the politicians,we send our Young boys in army or our youth join army to be a gazi our shaheed the biggest moto of them is martyrdom in saving country from all odds,their this moto continues till they reach the rank of brigadier, I don't know what happens to them as soon they become general, the man who was ready to die for motherland leaves that motherland in the hands of its worst enemies, in the hands of looters and killers and foreign agents, if one who believes that this breed of politicians is going to save and protect the country !he is criminally ignorant and reluctant, for those who advocate democracy I will refer them to see china ,Russia, Iran ,central Asian republics, sadam era Iraq and kadafi era Libya,these nation have and some had their golden times with out this so called m***f democracy, these theifs imposed on us on the name of democracy are the puddles and best servers of foreign interests not the patriots,if west and USA is so pro democracy why aren't they asking it in KSA,UAE,Kuwait, Egypt, etc ,because their interests are best served by monarchs in these countries, and in Pakistan these theifs serve their interests at best,so they support them,and we are happily tolerating this worse type of governances on the name of democracy and so called Constitution which it self nerve got implemented nor it should be ,

 

[sady]

I wonder what greater good is..army expecting to come out....by compromising on national security? And stable govt? Tht of PML N? Which loves to insult and ridicule army, does dawn leaks..and yet remains a darling of army... I am really unable to understand this phenomena.. Pml n can get away with any thing..like something as serious..as dawn leaks too, which army itself said is a breach of national security.. Woww..got to give it to Pml n... ..

CPEC, I think Army needs a Gov that has good acceptability in Punjab and Baluchistan to see off the project. If PTI can pull it off in next elections maybe things will change. National security threat is a blanket term, some threats direct some indirect and far reaching, one has to chose battles wisely at time of war and Pakistan is at war on multi dimensional levels. Probably PML n will face justice from a common man rather than at the hands of a general which is far better as the history tells us.

 

[WhyCry]

CPEC, I think Army needs a Gov that has good acceptability in Punjab and Baluchistan to see off the project. If PTI can pull it off in next elections maybe things will change. National security threat is a blanket term, some threats direct some indirect and far reaching, one has to chose battles wisely at time of war and Pakistan is at war on multi dimensional levels. Probably PML n will face justice from a common man rather than at the hands of a general which is far better as the history tells us.

Right on the nail.

 

[Lavrentiy]

The officers did not ask about the disastrous policies of their Generals which lead to 70,000 deaths including 6,000 of their own.

The officers did not ask under what law General Hameed Gul was distributing money to politicians including Nawaz Ganja against Benazir.

The officers did not ask why Burqa Molvi continues to rant in Aabpara, the neighbourhood of the World's number 1 intelligence agency.

The officers did not ask about the human, drug and weapons smuggling through the borders which are manned by the Army itself.

The officers did not ask about the properties of retired AVM Shahid Lateef in Dubai made from the money he stole from the JF-17 project.



However, Dawn Leaks is a much more pressing issue for the officers.

I have seen many politicians judges and army officers closely,what I have realized that army officers up to the rank of brigadier are as good as one can imagine, but when ever they become generals they are not good than the politicians,we send our Young boys in army or our youth join army to be a gazi our shaheed the biggest moto of them is martyrdom in saving country from all odds,their this moto continues till they reach the rank of brigadier, I don't know what happens to them as soon they become general, the man who was ready to die for motherland leaves that motherland in the hands of its worst enemies, in the hands of looters and killers and foreign agents, if one who believes that this breed of politicians is going to save and protect the country !he is criminally ignorant and reluctant, for those who advocate democracy I will refer them to see china ,Russia, Iran ,central Asian republics, sadam era Iraq and kadafi era Libya,these nation have and some had their golden times with out this so called m***f democracy, these theifs imposed on us on the name of democracy are the puddles and best servers of foreign interests not the patriots,if west and USA is so pro democracy why aren't they asking it in KSA,UAE,Kuwait, Egypt, etc ,because their interests are best served by monarchs in these countries, and in Pakistan these theifs serve their interests at best,so they support them,and we are happily tolerating this worse type of governances on the name of democracy and so called Constitution which it self nerve got implemented nor it should be ,

Young boys are stupid to believe in the rather silly notions of nationalism and patriotism. I was once motivated by this hogwash as Pakistan Studies course in our education is specifically designed for this brainwashing.

However, the Generals are not kids. They are in their 50s and have seen enough of the world to understand that they need to make their own and their children's future rather than running like headless chickens. Generals would only act in their individual or collective interest, not for army fan boys on social media.

Have you ever witnessed the small flags people hang in their homes on 14th August? This is just to make their children happy. I remember, I used to plead to mom and dad to buy me these flags and stickers. Now these silly things are just memories of childhood like cartoon characters.

The Pindi boys must be laughing hard that they have a large number of gullible fans who root for them out of their ignorance.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Everyone knows the real culprit in dawn leaks, ie Maryam Nawaz..

Again just big talk without any evidence. What is your source about Maryam nawaz involvement??

 

[Mrc]

You guys know which parties are oposing military courts??

And after ppp give in within next week i guess .... guess which party will continue to oppose till very last

 

[Village life]

The officers did not ask about the disastrous policies of their Generals which lead to 70,000 deaths including 6,000 of their own.

The officers did not ask under what law General Hameed Gul was distributing money to politicians including Nawaz Ganja against Benazir.

The officers did not ask why Burqa Molvi continues to rant in Aabpara, the neighbourhood of the World's number 1 intelligence agency.

The officers did not ask about the human, drug and weapons smuggling through the borders which are manned by the Army itself.

The officers did not ask about the properties of retired AVM Shahid Lateef in Dubai made from the money he stole from the JF-17 project.



However, Dawn Leaks is a much more pressing issue for the officers.


Young boys are stupid to believe in the rather silly notions of nationalism and patriotism. I was once motivated by this hogwash as Pakistan Studies course in our education is specifically designed for this brainwashing.

However, the Generals are not kids. They are in their 50s and have seen enough of the world to understand that they need to make their own and their children's future rather than running like headless chickens. Generals would only act in their individual or collective interest, not for army fan boys on social media.

Have you ever witnessed the small flags people hang in their homes on 14th August? This is just to make their children happy. I remember, I used to plead to mom and dad to buy me these flags and stickers. Now these silly things are just memories of childhood like cartoon characters.

The Pindi boys must be laughing hard that they have a large number of gullible fans who root for them out of their ignorance.

oh man you are genius, all those who stand up and die for motherland are stupid ,, I can understand your level of moral ground, and those who loot this nation on the name of democracy are wise ,and all those who support and groom these politicians are patriot, what a marvel of bias and loneliness on the path of evolution of humanity, leave religion a side,

 

[newb3e]

COAS points to the rug "See that rug lift it and ull find leak file gathering dust under it" then he points to new shinny cupboard "See that Almira open it and ull find it full of cash and land owner ship files,thats what happening to the leak case"

 

[scionofPakwattan]

Matti pao ji... This all is a topi drama to show the public tht matter is not put under the carpet...but we all know its fate just like everyone knows the fate of panama leaks case... I have spoken soo much abt it..tht now i am out of words on what else to say....

Everyone knows the real culprit in dawn leaks, ie Maryam Nawaz..but still none knows it officially or u can say....none has the guts to punish her, just like in panama leaks case... So now this case has been brushed under the carpet...

Now public is being fooled again..in this topi drama... Committee was supposed to submit its report within one month...but now 2months have passed but nothing abt the report...and even if it comes...it will accuse a low level officer for the leaks.....a scapegoat will be made..tht is IF. EVER its report is made public..which i highly doubt...

I wonder when this has been decided already tht real culprits ie Maryam Nawaz cant be punished..then why this case is even talked abt...and released in media by army...? To fool the public? Earlier also corp commanders conf press issued a statement tht its a breach of national security..and then nothing.....now...its being released in media through sources tht officers asked questions abt it... Do they take public as fools? Why create hype abt an issue..regd which u dont have guts to punish the real culprit? If u dont have guts..just stay silent..but dont take public as fools..and play with them....memogate, dawnleaks....same history repeated.. Public ko pagal banaya hua hai sab ne...

Or maybe the news that junior officers question about dawn leaks was leaked by ISI or someone else to put pressure on the chief to act against the perpetrators, after all, Maryam's leaking episodes shows she had an idea the successor regime in army wont pursue this case

If she is involved, then why can't be.... None is above the National Security and IMO, gloves are off.

Really? Tht day will not come, atleast in our lifetime, when Maryam nawaz will be punished for dawn leaks.. This is Pakistan, we are talking abt.... I am here... You are here... We will all see...if Maryam Nawaz will be punished or not?We know she is the culprit.. None othere than her, in the PM house could do /order such a thing and her calls were also taped and her whatsapp messages... What will some lowlevel officer get out of such leaks? Nothing... So lets see...whether she is punished or not? Or if someone is made scapegoat.. And tht too, IF ANY ONE Is ever punished on this case, and its report is made public..which i also doubt


If everyone knew the answer then question is irrelevant and having no weight.

Everyone knows the fate of panama leaks case too..but tht case is in court... And there also, all evidences and contradictory statements are for all to see... Everyone, except the judges know tht Nawaz Sharif family is lying and they are culprits...but just like judges are innocent there, who know nothing...similarly maybe ...authorities who are investigating dawn leaks know nothing, but everyone else than them knows tht who is the real culprit, ie Maryam Nawaz.. Just like Nawaz sharif will get a clean chit from judiciary inspite of being guilty in panama case, similarly Maryam Nawaz will get a clean chit, inspite of being guilty on dawn leaks


Military did not create any hype but media.

How did media create hype..when it was military which issued press release after corps commanders meeting and said tht its breach of national security... After tht press release...media took this issue and started doing programs.. And then later, another press release on this issue came after Gen Raheel Sharif met Shahbaz Sharif, Ch Nisar and Ishaq Dar..and press release said tht its a planted news... When ISPR itself kept issuing press releases on this matter..how did media create hype and not the military?

@The Eagle[/QUOTE]

Unfortunate as it is, I'd have to agree with you on all three issues, but to the defence of Military and ISPR, it was in the interest of former Chief Gen Raheel to sort this matter out and thus it was kept alive through ISPR but there was an opinion among some of military's senior leadership to let the successor deal with it in a manner he would see fit since he would have to deal with this kind of political maneuvering for another 3 years.

 

[The Eagle]

let the successor deal with it in a manner he would see fit since he would have to deal with this kind of political maneuvering for another 3 years.

The institute has a strong policy and SOP to follow. Indeed, it is an institute and this is the proof that RS was not independently following the matter on personal wish but it was a National Security Issue so now the current COAS will follow the same. Also, RS couldn't conclude the matter in hurry to take credit at all and as the matter was about Nation' Security not RS alone, he let the system works the way it should be..... I have no impression that he wanted to conclude it for the individual credit at all. There would be lot of opinions among senior military leadership about the matters but there was no opposition to RS in this regards as well. Institution worked the way it should be under the command of RS on this matter, as per SOP.

 

[scionofPakwattan]

The institute has a strong policy and SOP to follow. Indeed, it is an institute and this is the proof that RS was not independently following the matter on personal wish but it was a National Security Issue so now the current COAS will follow the same. Also, RS couldn't conclude the matter in hurry to take credit at all and as the matter was about Nation' Security not RS alone, he let the system works the way it should be..... I have no impression that he wanted to conclude it for the individual credit at all. There would be lot of opinions among senior military leadership about the matters but there was no opposition to RS in this regards as well. Institution worked the way it should be under the command of RS on this matter, as per SOP.

I agree with you, and if i came out being against RS, then let me tell you I do not disagree with how RS handled the situation, I am just saying he was under a lot of pressure to put dawn leak issue to rest but he resisted and wanted to let the system handle it.

 

[The Eagle]

he was under a lot of pressure to put dawn leak issue to rest but he resisted and wanted to let the system handle it.

The pressure was built mostly from political class/side however, institution fully backed him and is the case for current Chief as well.