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Obama's Policies Making Situation Worse in Afghanistan and Pakistan

Graham E. Fuller
Former CIA station chief in Kabul




For all the talk of "smart power," President Obama is pressing down the same path of failure in Pakistan marked out by George Bush. The realities suggest need for drastic revision of U.S. strategic thinking.

-- Military force will not win the day in either Afghanistan or Pakistan; crises have only grown worse under the U.S. military footprint.

-- The Taliban represent zealous and largely ignorant mountain Islamists. They are also all ethnic Pashtuns. Most Pashtuns see the Taliban -- like them or not -- as the primary vehicle for restoration of Pashtun power in Afghanistan, lost in 2001. Pashtuns are also among the most fiercely nationalist, tribalized and xenophobic peoples of the world, united only against the foreign invader. In the end, the Taliban are probably more Pashtun than they are Islamist.

-- It is a fantasy to think of ever sealing the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. The "Durand Line" is an arbitrary imperial line drawn through Pashtun tribes on both sides of the border. And there are twice as many Pashtuns in Pakistan as there are in Afghanistan. The struggle of 13 million Afghan Pashtuns has already inflamed Pakistan's 28 million Pashtuns.

-- India is the primary geopolitical threat to Pakistan, not Afghanistan. Pakistan must therefore always maintain Afghanistan as a friendly state. India furthermore is intent upon gaining a serious foothold in Afghanistan -- in the intelligence, economic and political arenas -- that chills Islamabad.

-- Pakistan will therefore never rupture ties or abandon the Pashtuns, in either country, whether radical Islamist or not. Pakistan can never afford to have Pashtuns hostile to Islamabad in control of Kabul, or at home.

-- Occupation everywhere creates hatred, as the U.S. is learning. Yet Pashtuns remarkably have not been part of the jihadi movement at the international level, although many are indeed quick to ally themselves at home with al-Qaida against the U.S. military.

-- The U.S. had every reason to strike back at the al-Qaida presence in Afghanistan after the outrage of 9/11. The Taliban were furthermore poster children for an incompetent and harsh regime. But the Taliban retreated from, rather than lost, the war in 2001, in order to fight another day. Indeed, one can debate whether it might have been possible -- with sustained pressure from Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and almost all other Muslim countries that viewed the Taliban as primitives -- to force the Taliban to yield up al-Qaida over time without war. That debate is in any case now moot. But the consequences of that war are baleful, debilitating and still spreading.

-- The situation in Pakistan has gone from bad to worse as a direct consequence of the U.S. war raging on the Afghan border. U.S. policy has now carried the Afghan war over the border into Pakistan with its incursions, drone bombings and assassinations -- the classic response to a failure to deal with insurgency in one country. Remember the invasion of Cambodia to save Vietnam?

-- The deeply entrenched Islamic and tribal character of Pashtun rule in the Northwest Frontier Province in Pakistan will not be transformed by invasion or war. The task requires probably several generations to start to change the deeply embedded social and psychological character of the area. War induces visceral and atavistic response.

-- Pakistan is indeed now beginning to crack under the relentless pressure directly exerted by the U.S. Anti-American impulses in Pakistan are at high pitch, strengthening Islamic radicalism and forcing reluctant acquiescence to it even by non-Islamists.

Only the withdrawal of American and NATO boots on the ground will begin to allow the process of near-frantic emotions to subside within Pakistan, and for the region to start to cool down. Pakistan is experienced in governance and is well able to deal with its own Islamists and tribalists under normal circumstances; until recently, Pakistani Islamists had one of the lowest rates of electoral success in the Muslim world.

But U.S. policies have now driven local nationalism, xenophobia and Islamism to combined fever pitch. As Washington demands that Pakistan redeem failed American policies in Afghanistan, Islamabad can no longer manage its domestic crisis.

The Pakistani army is more than capable of maintaining state power against tribal militias and to defend its own nukes. Only a convulsive nationalist revolutionary spirit could change that -- something most Pakistanis do not want. But Washington can still succeed in destabilizing Pakistan if it perpetuates its present hard-line strategies. A new chapter of military rule -- not what Pakistan needs -- will be the likely result, and even then Islamabad's basic policies will not change, except at the cosmetic level.

In the end, only moderate Islamists themselves can prevail over the radicals whose main source of legitimacy comes from inciting popular resistance against the external invader. Sadly, U.S. forces and Islamist radicals are now approaching a state of co-dependency.

It would be heartening to see a solid working democracy established in Afghanistan. Or widespread female rights and education -- areas where Soviet occupation ironically did rather well. But these changes are not going to happen even within one generation, given the history of social and economic devastation of the country over 30 years.

Al-Qaida's threat no longer emanates from the caves of the borderlands, but from its symbolism that has long since metastasized to other activists of the Muslim world. Meanwhile, the Pashtuns will fight on for a major national voice in Afghanistan. But few Pashtuns on either side of the border will long maintain a radical and international jihadi perspective once the incitement of the U.S. presence is gone. Nobody on either side of the border really wants it.

What can be done must be consonant with the political culture. Let non-military and neutral international organizations, free of geopolitical taint, take over the binding of Afghan wounds and the building of state structures.

If the past eight years had shown ongoing success, perhaps an alternative case for U.S. policies could be made. But the evidence on the ground demonstrates only continued deterioration and darkening of the prognosis. Will we have more of the same? Or will there be a U.S. recognition that the American presence has now become more the problem than the solution? We do not hear that debate.

(C) 2009 GLOBAL VIEWPOINT NETWORK; (TM) TRIBUNE MEDIA SERVICES, INC.

Graham E. Fuller is a former CIA station chief in Kabul and a former vice-chair of the CIA's National Intelligence Council. He is author of numerous books on the Middle East, including The Future of Political Islam.

Graham E. Fuller: Obama's Policies Making Situation Worse in Afghanistan and Pakistan
 
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The dilemma is that these people speak up only when they have 'former' tagged next to their ranks. But better late then never
 
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Quitting will make things worse, Afghanistan was no heaven before USA came in. If they manage to stabilize the nation, improve the level of education and create environment for democracy then it is good for the region. Before USA came in Afghanistan was ruled by most inefficient and inhuman people. I do not think USA did wrong by invading Afghanistan , where they made mistake was to divert forces to Iraq. Now they have realized their mistake and things will start getting better from here.
 
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Quitting will make things worse, Afghanistan was no heaven before USA came in. If they manage to stabilize the nation, improve the level of education and create environment for democracy then it is good for the region. Before USA came in Afghanistan was ruled by most inefficient and inhuman people. I do not think USA did wrong by invading Afghanistan , where they made mistake was to divert forces to Iraq. Now they have realized their mistake and things will start getting better from here.

Since they have started to concentrate and divert their attention from Iraq how much better have things become for both Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Attacking a country only because it is ruled by corrupt people is no excuse, they haven't been able to prove the 9/11 attacks the main reason for going in.
30,000 more troops are certainly not going in to construct schools.
The best solution right now would be to hand over the area to UN peace keeping forces and the money they intend to spend on troops should be spent on reconstruction and rehabilitation of the Afghans, as they(Americans) are dying for the welfare of the people.

Afghans are fierce fighters and not very hospitable people, it has only proved to be the graveyard of empires. They are fighting against occupiers, they have done that in the past and they will continue to do so.
Learning from the past helps in building a better future.

"You can win a battle with force but not a war"
 
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Since they have started to concentrate and divert their attention from Iraq how much better have things become for both Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Attacking a country only because it is ruled by corrupt people is no excuse, they haven't been able to prove the 9/11 attacks the main reason for going in.
30,000 more troops are certainly not going in to construct schools.
The best solution right now would be to hand over the area to UN peace keeping forces and the money they intend to spend on troops should be spent on reconstruction and rehabilitation of the Afghans, as they(Americans) are dying for the welfare of the people.

Afghans are fierce fighters and not very hospitable people, it has only proved to be the graveyard of empires. They are fighting against occupiers, they have done that in the past and they will continue to do so.
Learning from the past helps in building a better future.

"You can win a battle with force but not a war"

Whether or not 9/11 was originated from Afghanistan, the place was heaven for anti social elements, danger to rest of world. Who fixes Afghanistan is not my concern, but it should be fixed.

Pakistan was not interested in fixing it, since it was getting benefited.
 
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Whether or not 9/11 was originated from Afghanistan, the place was heaven for anti social elements, danger to rest of world. Who fixes Afghanistan is not my concern, but it should be fixed.

Pakistan was not interested in fixing it, since it was getting benefited.

Afghanistan had its problems but who doesn't ? There are ways to handle problems other then carpet bombings

Mullah Omar was ready to put OBL to trial in a neutral court of law, but uncle SAM was unable to provide any proofs for his involvement. If you expected Pakistan to exert its pressure over taliban for unconditional surrender, we were never in that position.
 
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Afghanistan had its problems but who doesn't ? There are ways to handle problems other then carpet bombings

Mullah Omar was ready to put OBL to trial in a neutral court of law, but uncle SAM was unable to provide any proofs for his involvement. If you expected Pakistan to exert its pressure over taliban for unconditional surrender, we were never in that position.

I have never supported carpet bombing, I merely said that situation needed to be fixed. It is not fine when you do not have a problem with situation in your country but other countries get effected.
 
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ok.. when does Pakistan government realise they are not benefiting from this war??? I dont see anybody realising this in our government, Mr.10% is just sitting in teh kings chair waiting for money... we should should look forward to bringing peace with these Taliban (I might sound anti pakistan, but u know im not, its my opinion), rather than waiting for more aid and money.. things are only getting worse grabbing money.... i can only see the worse things happening in pakistan in the near future if the war dosent end.. we might even turn into the next Afghanistan...
 
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Afghanistan was no heaven before USA came in.
Are you serious...? is this your argument to justify the present situation?
All problems of Afghanistan are formented by indians.... only if indians leave it will becom heaven as compare to what it is now.
 
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I have never supported carpet bombing, I merely said that situation needed to be fixed. It is not fine when you do not have a problem with situation in your country but other countries get effected.

Don't hunt what you cannot kill.

Pashtoons are religious, less tolerant and rigid and they have their own view of the Afghanistan. You cannot fight and defeat them or occupy their territory by force, no one could in the past and the mightiest of the forces including USSR and America failed to achieve inspite of being 4 generations ahead in everything Afghans have. So the change of policy is simple, just see things the way they are and shape them staying withing the framework of Afghans. That approach wont allow you to achieve every single objective you had but when it comes to Afghanistan, question is not what you want to achieve, it is how much is possible on ground.

They were never Anti-America after USA helped them fight Russia but now, its really a question of 100s of trillion dollars that whether they will avenge America for what America has been doing with them? In case yes, Americans are in the deepest possible $hit! And honestly, America deserves to fight a war on its territory in which invaders would cut their people in the name of peace.
 
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Are you serious...? is this your argument to justify the present situation?
All problems of Afghanistan are formented by indians.... only if indians leave it will becom heaven as compare to what it is now.

You are giving far to much credit to Indians than they deserve, understand your frustration level.
 
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^^ Have to agree with that. Don't think they're involved with Afghan Taliban with creating trouble in Afghanistan.
 
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Afghanistan had its problems but who doesn't ? There are ways to handle problems other then carpet bombings

Mullah Omar was ready to put OBL to trial in a neutral court of law, but uncle SAM was unable to provide any proofs for his involvement. If you expected Pakistan to exert its pressure over taliban for unconditional surrender, we were never in that position.

Though US went in for Osama, you really think Afghanistan was a place you would think would have progressed as it stood?

Taliban the craziest Islamic fanatics killed people, destroyed cultural societal aspects, closed women indoors, shutdown all forms of education, etc. Yes, it is true Pakistan only benefited from these "strategic assets" until then. But you do really if things would have stayed as they were for next 20 years, these fanatics wont have come down to Islamabad to capture it? Was it just one fine morning they thought of it?

Even though your country is burning today, it was cause of past faults and cleaning up the problem today will give you a better future tomorrow.
 
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Though US went in for Osama, you really think Afghanistan was a place you would think would have progressed as it stood?

Has it progressed or regressed further because of the current war?

BTW who gives U.S the authority to attack and invade a country for something they did themselves.

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Taliban the craziest Islamic fanatics killed people, destroyed cultural societal aspects, closed women indoors, shutdown all forms of education, etc.

So the americans were worried about the cultural assets or the afghan women, for which they spent trillions.

Yes, it is true Pakistan only benefited from these "strategic assets" until then. But you do really if things would have stayed as they were for next 20 years, these fanatics wont have come down to Islamabad to capture it? Was it just one fine morning they thought of it?

:rofl:

Even though your country is burning today, it was cause of past faults and cleaning up the problem today will give you a better future tomorrow.

So has the situation in Pakistan become worse or better because of the war?

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