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Obama ready to sell India to appease China

November 19, 2009, (Sawf News) - Obama's readiness to sell out Indian interest to appease China must come as a grim warning to those of us advocating a closer alignment with the US.

Obama's electoral victory was celebrated with joy by Indians at home and the US alike. I had reservations, but remember sounding them to friends and family I felt hopelessly isolated.

Thanks to the Nehru legacy, Indian school system and the country's press, socialist ideals are deeply ingrained into Indian minds. We like to be always perched on a high moral pedestal, which our schools and press don't warn us often leads to economic impoverishment and even slavery. So I wasn't surprised to see Indians dance in joy following Obama's victory last year.

My reservations against Obama were not rooted in his ideology but on the track record of successive democratic administration, which have consistently undermined India's strategic interests. Bush was the first US President who is a true friend of India. Not Bill Clinton, surely not Obama.

I think history will judge George W Bush differently on at least two grounds – His decisions to pursue terrorism anywhere and everywhere in the world and to put brakes on China's ambitions to become the dominant global entity. Both were sound decisions and on both the decisions the Obama administration appears to be wavering.

Obama's decision not to meet His Holiness the Dalai Lama during the latter's recent visit to Washington, in deference to Chinese pressure, was regretful. However, his joint statement with Chinese Premier Hu Jintao on Tuesday referring to relations between India and Pakistan was outrageous.

The statement grandly declared that the US and China "support the improvement and growth of relations between India and Pakistan" and are ready to "strengthen communication, dialogue and cooperation on issues related to South Asia and work together to promote peace, stability and development in that region."

Obama was, of course, bending backwards to please China and he must have had good reasons to do so. Maybe the US debt to China was his imperative. Or perhaps he takes his Nobel Peace prize too seriously. What was shocking about the statement was the Obama administration's readiness to sell out India, which has repeatedly declared it does not want third party mediation in its disputes with Pakistan.

Militarily, the US is more closely allied with Pakistan than India. The joint statement made it clear that the US cares more about its relationship with China than India. And here we are thinking we should be more closely allied to the US and make it our major arms supplier over the Russians who have quietly stood by us over decades.

Pakistan and China are India's biggest problems today. Both are governed by autocratic regimes – the Army in the case of Pakistan and the Communist Party in the case of China. Both have nuclear arsenals unabashedly targeted at India. Both lay claims to large tracts of Indian territory and do not forsake the use of force to wrest it from us. Pakistan is perhaps the one country that has used terrorism as state policy with deadly effect without being branded a terrorist state.

Under the circumstances, it is not difficult to comprehend why Indians are enraged at the Obama statement.

Considering that a joint statement is always long deliberated and carefully crafted it is almost impossible to condone it.

I believe Obama may have just undone all the efforts that Boeing put in to present the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet as the best choice for India's MMRCA project.

Its past dismal history as an arms supplier to India and current conflicts of interests, vis-a-vis our potential enemies, make the US a very unreliable arms supplier.

Frankly, I wouldn't mind if the $ 11 billion earmarked for the MMRCA project was allocated to DRDO to come up with a new fighter. Those who have been reading the blog will understand how much of an effort from me that statement must have taken!

Obama ready to sell India to appease China
 
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hmmm.......... That's what any countries President would do National Interests come first so there is nothing to worry abt :cheers:

And India will make up for all that's lost with America by expanding ties with Russia in a few days :toast_sign:

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:) First you narrowed your ties and now you will expand your ties with Russia again.

But yes you are right own interests come first for any country.
 
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:) First you narrowed your ties and now you will expand your ties with Russia again.

But yes you are right own interests come first for any country.

Question is how Russian will view indian flip flop? For selling goodies russians will be fine but in strategic matters alignment has altered already.
 
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Strong countries that are confident in their growth ability TODAY and over the next 2 decades SHOULD NOT listen to every speech every sentence that the USA leaders or Chinease leaders make reference to South Asia.

India is a regional power with immense potential. IT DOES not need to cow in or quiver or listen to wat OBAMA thinks or states.

In 10 years time India GDP and military spending will be larger than France or UK. India needs to act like a rising power and treat obama with a touch of arrogance and couldn,t care less atitude.

Those countries who rely on USA grant aid or USA weapons can cow to them.

INDIA thankfully is not in need of that sort of assistance

India has many options for MMRCA not just F18SH
 
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:) First you narrowed your ties and now you will expand your ties with Russia again.

But yes you are right own interests come first for any country.

When did India Narrowed Its Relations ? Any Single Example where "India" get away from Russia ?

Expansion means betterment, better than before this necessarily does NOT mean we had bad situation before.

India has Strongest Ties with Russia. Israel has ventures Mostly in Military, bt Russia is exception, with over 200 Projects on course in a variety of fields.

Have a better view here : India?Russia relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Question is how Russian will view indian flip flop? For selling goodies russians will be fine but in strategic matters alignment has altered already.

In my personal view at the moment the best bet for Russians will be keep quite and make backdoor dealings with Afghans as well as Pakistanis, and Iranians.

US is in a fix and thinking ways for some face-saving the sooner it is done the better it will be.

the US-Indo deal is already not benefiting US in a big way. Market, China and all such things which were on the mind of idiot Bush all have gone wrong.
 
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India has seen many US President come and go. Who cares what they talk, what they do? They will do what is in their interest. India will do what is in our national interest.

India is having partnership with different countries bases on our national interest.

•BASIC (Brazil, South Africa, India, China) for Climate Change.
•BRIC (Brazil, Russia, China, India) for WTO.
•Russia, France, Canada, US – Nuclear deals
•Russia, France, Israel, US – Defense

So let Obama try his tricks. Who cares?
 
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In my personal view at the moment the best bet for Russians will be keep quite and make backdoor dealings with Afghans as well as Pakistanis, and Iranians.

US is in a fix and thinking ways for some face-saving the sooner it is done the better it will be.

the US-Indo deal is already not benefiting US in a big way. Market, China and all such things which were on the mind of idiot Bush all have gone wrong.

Right on money.
 
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quite a lenghty discussion on a topic date 19th nov........eh..... atleast some things have changed since the report... signing of new deals between india-us meaning further strengthening of ties... plus manmohan singh's proposed visit to russia in dec only, meaning new dimensions being explored in relations ... chinese general coming to delhi for pacifying some tension.... a lot has happened... a lot will happen... jut wait and watch... there seems to be no reverse gear in india's development... others either follow the path to development or keep trolling ..but one thing is sure india is rising...believe it or not... if you dont believe in it then start trolling and start dishing out another set of sarcastic comments........
 
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In my personal view at the moment the best bet for Russians will be keep quite and make backdoor dealings with Afghans as well as Pakistanis, and Iranians.

US is in a fix and thinking ways for some face-saving the sooner it is done the better it will be.

the US-Indo deal is already not benefiting US in a big way. Market, China and all such things which were on the mind of idiot Bush all have gone wrong.

U got it absolutely right !!thats ur PERSONAL view....:cheesy:
bcoz u know russians will never leave india for u...:chilli:

First you narrowed your ties and now you will expand your ties with Russia again.

hey we have never narrowed our ties with any country..but every country wants to have strategic partnership with us...

unlike urs..with how many countries u have any partnership...??

ONE....China...

Pakistan and Bangladesh can never beat us in any sector..the only way u can satisfy urself ur ego is by seeing china's growth..
 
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Obama ready to sell India to appease China

Pakistan is perhaps the one country that has used terrorism as state policy with deadly effect without being branded a terrorist state.

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Biggest fail EVER.

DerP.;)
 
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Obama ready to sell India to appease China

November 19, 2009, (Sawf News) - Obama's readiness to sell out Indian interest to appease China must come as a grim warning to those of us advocating a closer alignment with the US.

Obama's electoral victory was celebrated with joy by Indians at home and the US alike. I had reservations, but remember sounding them to friends and family I felt hopelessly isolated.

Thanks to the Nehru legacy, Indian school system and the country's press, socialist ideals are deeply ingrained into Indian minds. We like to be always perched on a high moral pedestal, which our schools and press don't warn us often leads to economic impoverishment and even slavery. So I wasn't surprised to see Indians dance in joy following Obama's victory last year.

My reservations against Obama were not rooted in his ideology but on the track record of successive democratic administration, which have consistently undermined India's strategic interests. Bush was the first US President who is a true friend of India. Not Bill Clinton, surely not Obama.

I think history will judge George W Bush differently on at least two grounds – His decisions to pursue terrorism anywhere and everywhere in the world and to put brakes on China's ambitions to become the dominant global entity. Both were sound decisions and on both the decisions the Obama administration appears to be wavering.

Obama's decision not to meet His Holiness the Dalai Lama during the latter's recent visit to Washington, in deference to Chinese pressure, was regretful. However, his joint statement with Chinese Premier Hu Jintao on Tuesday referring to relations between India and Pakistan was outrageous.

The statement grandly declared that the US and China "support the improvement and growth of relations between India and Pakistan" and are ready to "strengthen communication, dialogue and cooperation on issues related to South Asia and work together to promote peace, stability and development in that region."

Obama was, of course, bending backwards to please China and he must have had good reasons to do so. Maybe the US debt to China was his imperative. Or perhaps he takes his Nobel Peace prize too seriously. What was shocking about the statement was the Obama administration's readiness to sell out India, which has repeatedly declared it does not want third party mediation in its disputes with Pakistan.

Militarily, the US is more closely allied with Pakistan than India. The joint statement made it clear that the US cares more about its relationship with China than India. And here we are thinking we should be more closely allied to the US and make it our major arms supplier over the Russians who have quietly stood by us over decades.

Pakistan and China are India's biggest problems today. Both are governed by autocratic regimes – the Army in the case of Pakistan and the Communist Party in the case of China. Both have nuclear arsenals unabashedly targeted at India. Both lay claims to large tracts of Indian territory and do not forsake the use of force to wrest it from us. Pakistan is perhaps the one country that has used terrorism as state policy with deadly effect without being branded a terrorist state.

Under the circumstances, it is not difficult to comprehend why Indians are enraged at the Obama statement.

Considering that a joint statement is always long deliberated and carefully crafted it is almost impossible to condone it.

I believe Obama may have just undone all the efforts that Boeing put in to present the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet as the best choice for India's MMRCA project.

Its past dismal history as an arms supplier to India and current conflicts of interests, vis-a-vis our potential enemies, make the US a very unreliable arms supplier.

Frankly, I wouldn't mind if the $ 11 billion earmarked for the MMRCA project was allocated to DRDO to come up with a new fighter. Those who have been reading the blog will understand how much of an effort from me that statement must have taken!

Obama ready to sell India to appease China

Nothing works with the US better than economics & political expediency. The Indian market for every thing ( including Nuke material) simply cannot be ignored.

A lot has already changed since this statement was made. As someone here said India has seen a lot of US presidents come & go.

I have a serious objection on the highlighted part above....NO please.
 
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Talk about reading too much into a few remarks...

It makes me wonder what sort of high hopes did the Indians have pinned on the Americans?
 
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Talk about reading too much into a few remarks...

It makes me wonder what sort of high hopes did the Indians have pinned on the Americans?

I don't think Indian have high hopes on anyone but themselves. Indians have survived sanctions and a whole lot more , stood on the edge of financial bankruptcy , sold parts of our national gold and clawed their way back - with only themselves to help them.

Along the way, relevant lessons have be learnt & in some cases un learnt too.

Yes, Indians for once have now started showing signs of being ' worldly wise' - something we sorely needed to do.
 
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