Obama proposes $1.2 bln to aid Pakistani military

[Kharian_Beast]

Where are the Chinese when it comes to military aid in these dire times? Gajar kah kahke buri halat hogyhe, humko abhi fortune cookies chahi hey (Been eating carrots like crazy it's messed us up, now we want some damn fortune cookies).

 

[illuminatus]

We've been hearing such promises for months and years now. The Americans haven't even delivered the outstanding reimbursements for the expenses made in the WoT. I don't expect much.

 

[illuminatus]

Where are the Chinese when it comes to military aid in these dire times? Gajar kah kahke buri halat hogyhe, humko abhi fortune cookies chahi hey (Been eating carrots like crazy it's messed us up, now we want some damn fortune cookies).

Why should the Chinese contribute in a war they have no hand in? Why should the Chinese get involved in this mess?

 

[albwd]

We've been hearing such promises for months and years now. The Americans haven't even delivered the outstanding reimbursements for the expenses made in the WoT. I don't expect much.

Depends on whether they will realize "payback is not a *****; rather a responsibility."

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

^^^
To stop the ops if needed, to stabilize the areas under PA control or for resource limitations is the prerogative of the the PA and they are of course fully justified in that assessment.

But to say that we will stop ops until our CSF payments are made is probably not the appropriate thing to say.

As I said, it is the US's prerogative to not reimburse Pakistan under CSF in the future, but the fact of the matter is that the US and Pakistan had an agreement that reimbursement of expenses would take place and the GoP formulated its budget based on that agreement that a certain amount of funds would be available from X source.

Now after three years and billions spent if the US wants to dilly dally around the issue and violate its commitment there are severe repercussions from the economic perspective, since now the GoP has to figure out where else to find $2 billion from to cover these expenses - money isn't just lying around you know.

And ops are not being 'stopped', the GoP said it was not starting new ones and expanding the area of operations. Part of the reason behind this could be the funding issue, since, per the link I posted earlier, the amount owed by the US is expected to rise to $2.4 billion by June this year.

And since money does not grow on trees, and the current military operations alone are expected to cost $1 billion this year, not expanding the area of operations (unless there is an imminent threat from NW) is in fact appropriate and prudent.

Pakistan is currently undergoing financial difficulties and may slash development budget by Rs 200 billion (over $ 2 billion) due to hike in spending on military operations in Waziristan and poor external cash flows from Friends of Democratic Pakistan (FoDP) including US.

Visas now the pretext for nonpayment of CSF | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online

 

[jarnee]

I think this is right, Obama is a genuine guy. If he had intent of breaking Pakistan , he could have done it very easily. I am sure some one will say PA is outsourced partners of US army. But this is wrong thinking. Had it not been for US, AF /PAK Taliban would have messed up Pakistan for worse.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Where are the Chinese when it comes to military aid in these dire times? Gajar kah kahke buri halat hogyhe, humko abhi fortune cookies chahi hey (Been eating carrots like crazy it's messed us up, now we want some damn fortune cookies).

Providing long term financing and loans for three brand new frigates and transferring technology for their manufacture in Pakistan.

Providing long term financing and loans for the first 50 JF-17 fighter Jets and transferring technology for their manufacture in Pakistan.

Providing long term financing and loans and technology transfer for 4 AWACS.

Implementing a Free Trade Agreement with Pakistan.

Investing in the Gwadar port and expanding the Karakoram highway, dams and various other economic and infrastructure projects.

Investing in and providing technology for Pakistan's civilian nuclear programme.

You know 'teach a man to fish vs give him a fish ...'

This is what is called a 'strategic relationship', and not the empty words thrown around by the US.

 

[dbc]

Providing long term financing and loans for three brand new frigates and transferring technology for their manufacture in Pakistan.

Providing long term financing and loans for the first 50 JF-17 fighter Jets and transferring technology for their manufacture in Pakistan.

Providing long term financing and loans and technology transfer for 4 AWACS.

Implementing a Free Trade Agreement with Pakistan.

Investing in the Gwadar port and expanding the Karakoram highway, dams and various other economic and infrastructure projects.

Investing in and providing technology for Pakistan's civilian nuclear programme.

You know 'teach a man to fish vs give him a fish ...'

This is what is called a 'strategic relationship', and not the empty words thrown around by the US.

Last I checked China enjoyed a huge trade surplus with Pakistan.
Pakistan exports cotton yarn, cotton fabric, leather, chromium ore, copper, chemicals and seafood to China. Even if a trade agreement existed it would take a whole lot of 'yarn' to dent this imbalance. You may as well stuff what's left of your foreign exchange reserves in a nice big box with a nice red bow on top and ship it to China.

Pakistan's relationship with China isn't 'strategic', make no mistake the Chinese enjoy enough benefits from Pakistan to give a little back in the form of long term financing for Chinese weapons and investments in few projects that are strategic to China.

 

[S-2]

Shssssh...!

How rude! You're disturbing the narrative's peaceful rest. If it awakes, there'll be nothing but wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Thanks.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Last I checked China enjoyed a huge trade surplus with Pakistan.
Pakistan exports cotton yarn, cotton fabric, leather, chromium ore, copper, chemicals and seafood to China. Even if a trade agreement existed it would take a whole lot of 'yarn' to dent this imbalance. You may as well stuff what's left of your foreign exchange reserves in a nice big box with a nice red bow on top and ship it to China.

The Chinese have opened up their markets, whether Pakistani businesses take advantage of that is another issue. The salient point here is greater market access under a FTA or PTA, and I don't see the US doing anything on that count ...

Pakistan's relationship with China isn't 'strategic', make no mistake the Chinese enjoy enough benefits from Pakistan to give a little back in the form of long term financing for Chinese weapons and investments in few projects that are strategic to China.

Of course they enjoy 'benefits', hence the relationship. And as for 'give a little back', the point here is that our relationship with the US does not even entail that 'give a little back'.

The US can't even fulfill its commitments (F-16's and CSF reimbursements) let alone 'give a little back'.

 

[sairaawais]

They are only trying to take control of our army. We are morally under their pressure.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Shssssh...!

How rude! You're disturbing the narrative's peaceful rest. If it awakes, there'll be nothing but wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Thanks.

Don't worry, all that shsshng still won't hide US duplicity and the fact of how poor a partner it has been so far for Pakistan compared to the Chinese.

 

[S-2]

The Chinese have opened up their markets, whether Pakistani businesses take advantage of that is another issue.

"The salient point here is market access, and I don't see the US doing anything on that count ..."

Really?

Foreign Trade Statistics 2009-U.S. Bureau of Census

"Don't worry, all that shsshng still won't hide US duplicity and the fact of how poor a partner it has been so far for Pakistan compared to the Chinese."

A small matter of $1.412B imbalance last year on nearly $3.0B in purchases. No access is a trite and tiresome oversimplified accusation to toss at the nation which has been the leading purchaser of your goods by a considerable margen over the next nearest buyer of Pakistani goods and services for some many years.

Nothing I'd rather see than for them to fill the gap.

Compare it to the PRC any time you wish.

Thanks.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Compare it to the PRC any time you wish.

I am - has the US agreed to the Pakistani proposal of a FTA as have the Chinese?

Has the US agreed to extend civilian nuclear cooperation to Pakistan as it did with India, and as the Chinese have done?

The US is not purchasing our goods as a favor, nor is Pakistan purchasing more Chinese goods as a favor to China - US businesses purchase them because those goods end up being competitive, despite US restrictions on market access through import duties. The Chinese have opened up their markets a great deal for Pakistan, and it is up to Pakistani and Chinese businesses to take advantage of that in the respective markets available to them. The US has not done so.

 

[dbc]

The Chinese have opened up their markets, whether Pakistani businesses take advantage of that is another issue. The salient point here is greater market access under a FTA or PTA, and I don't see the US doing anything on that count ...

You had MFN(remember soccer balls and garments), until you decided to blow up a mountain in a pee neez measuring contest with India. Last I checked we're still your largest export destination with a much smaller trade deficit.

Since 2000 China has promised over 50 billion dollars but delivered precious little. Once again Chinese relations with Pakistan isn't 'brotherly' its just business.