Obama: Iran to be very successful regional power

[The Last of us]

You're still relying on a movement which has extremely little importance in the modern day world. The non-aligned movement would have been considered influential during the Cold War, but now it's just a show organisation. Just to let you know, Cuba is just as influential and powerful as you, as they were presidents of the NaM just 6 years ago.



They've helped remove Gaddafi, Hosni and greatly reduced the control of the Iraqi and Syrian government.

These movements that compose of great powers like China are not important?
China is the country without whom your failed state would not even exist right now.
The point is, NAM show that your 'isolated' comments is **** brain fart.

Iran is only isolated with respect to Americans and zionist, you need to understand this ****.

Saudis at most can use dollar money to fund terrorists in other countries, which is what they managed to accomplish at most in Pakistan (led to children being slaughtered) Syria and Iraq. Only in the minds of saudi worshipping pakis does that equate to being a regional power. Saudis will never have the influence and ability to control like Iran has.This is hard for you to accept, but reality is not changed by **** fantasises

 

[Kaniska]

I am not sure if my perception is right...But undoubtedly, Turkey carries lot of soft power projection status in this world..I am not sure how much real it is..Although Turks is not so friendly to India as such, but Turks has an image in India and me too that it is not a jihadi state..It is percevied as a secular,modern and progressive people's nation...I think that matters a lot when you are projecting your power across the globe...

When i compare Turkey with Iran, of course, being an Indian, we always have more inclination towards Iran amongst the Muslim world...And honestly I hope Iran to rise further...but if i would like to be fair............I feel that Iran is just not playing its card properly in the diplomatic world?....Sometimes i wonder, why does Iran has to pay the price of supporting Palestine cause whole heartedly and fighting with Isreal? Is Palestine is a Iran's issue only?..Is rest of the Muslim world have had a easy life by playing a dual role of supporting Palestine as well as normal realtion with Israel, why not the leaders of Iran are not smart enough to protect their interest of their own countrymen?.....That i feel is surprising and this kind of polical diplomacy is holding them back in world stage...It is a true fact that the acheivement that Iran has done inspire of saction is tremendous, but at the end of the day, Turkey is viewed more positively across the world that Iran....Iran can blame the international media or whole sort of thing for that, but fact is Iran is not depicted or presented to the world for any good reason so that people or other nations will admire wrt to Turkey...

Again, i would love to see rise of Iran to rise much more than it is today...

 

[Timur]

Even Jordon is more significant in the region than you torks.

same ways as torks

torkey

no Türk insulted in this thread your persian identity even your arian word of iran there are many things you could form this words to.. but I let this go and let you play the braindead

between Muslim world.

you mean your muslim shia world than you are right..

Turkey never can take position of Iran

truely we cant take irans position because it differs, we do not run after persian culture nor the shia part so we cannot play a great role in your world like you cannot play a great role in the rest of the islamic world so we turks take the non shia part and play a role in that area..

 

[IRAN 1802]

no Türk insulted in this thread your persian identity even your arian word of iran there are many things you could form this words to.. but I let this go and let you play the braindead


you mean your muslim shia world than you are right..


truely we cant take irans position because it differs, we do not run after persian culture nor the shia part so we cannot play a great role in your world like you cannot play a great role in the rest of the islamic world so we turks take the non shia part and play a role in that area..

Popularity of Iran between Muslims countries is increasing everyday and everyday. They have understood Saudis are their enemies, they are pan zionists. No country in Muslim world follow Islamic benefits, only Iran do. Turks are hypocritical. They're just looking for power. I bet Iran's popularity between Muslims is higher than turks. Turks want to increase their power in middle east by terrorism, also they think Egypt is still their colony. Erdogan act stupidly which only cause reduction of popularity of turks between Muslims.

About Shia Sunni, Iranian goals is much closer to Muslim desires then turks. Turkish government only talk but do nothing, Iran act.

 

[ozzy22]

Popularity of Iran between Muslims countries is increasing everyday and everyday. They have understood Saudis are their enemies, they are pan zionists. No country in Muslim world follow Islamic benefits, only Iran do. Turks are hypocritical. They're just looking for power. I bet Iran's popularity between Muslim is higher than turks. Turks want to increase their power in middle east by terrorism, also they think Egypt is still their colony. Erdogan act stupidly which only cause reduction of popularity of turks between Muslims.

About Shia Sunni, Iranian goals is much closer to Muslim desires then turks. Turkish government only talk but do nothing, Iran act.

Maybe that was the case pre Syrian war, but definitely not now.

 

[Falcon29]

If we Palestinians liberate our land we will become regional power and all will bow down before us.

On a serious note, I don't understand what it means to be regional power in modern sense. What I can observe is that Iran learned hard way how to function under sanctions. So we naturally assume they have much potential. But you never know, without sanctions , motivation factor may not be as great post sanctions. Iran is advancing in some fields which is important for their society.

From political sense, if Iranians believe events in region are what make them regional power then I disagree. Because Arab regimes are incomptent. And embarrassment against all Arab history. With Arab Islamists in power nobody would be able to compete with Arab world.

 

[Winchester]

If we Palestinians liberate our land we will become regional power and all will bow down before us.

You know what keep them babies coming and that actually might happen

 

[gau8av]

I am not sure if my perception is right...But undoubtedly, Turkey carries lot of soft power projection status in this world..I am not sure how much real it is..Although Turks is not so friendly to India as such, but Turks has an image in India and me too that it is not a jihadi state..It is percevied as a secular,modern and progressive people's nation...I think that matters a lot when you are projecting your power across the globe...

When i compare Turkey with Iran, of course, being an Indian, we always have more inclination towards Iran amongst the Muslim world...And honestly I hope Iran to rise further...but if i would like to be fair............I feel that Iran is just not playing its card properly in the diplomatic world?....Sometimes i wonder, why does Iran has to pay the price of supporting Palestine cause whole heartedly and fighting with Isreal? Is Palestine is a Iran's issue only?..Is rest of the Muslim world have had a easy life by playing a dual role of supporting Palestine as well as normal realtion with Israel, why not the leaders of Iran are not smart enough to protect their interest of their own countrymen?.....That i feel is surprising and this kind of polical diplomacy is holding them back in world stage...It is a true fact that the acheivement that Iran has done inspire of saction is tremendous, but at the end of the day, Turkey is viewed more positively across the world that Iran....Iran can blame the international media or whole sort of thing for that, but fact is Iran is not depicted or presented to the world for any good reason so that people or other nations will admire wrt to Turkey...

Again, i would love to see rise of Iran to rise much more than it is today...

their reputation as a moderate state, one allied with NATO even.. is fast eroding

I've mixed feelings about the Turks, one one hand I see standing upto and outright defying their NATO master's orders as +, but then is there some tacit support and preference for groups liker ISIS over the Kurds (but then the PKK are terrorists no doubt) they're in a tough spot deciding on a balance between the crazy jihadis and anti national separatist elements.

 

[atatwolf]

We all want Shia to have their place in the region but that is not going to happen with Mullah in power. I see Shia having an influential position in the region if the Azeri take over the leadership of the Shia around the world. It will stop the sectarian war in the middle-east. Sunni and Shia can live together. Turkey and Azerbaijan is a good example.

 

[yavar]

if the Azeri take over the leadership of the Shia around the world. It will stop the sectarian war in the middle-east. Sunni and Shia can live together. Turkey and Azerbaijan is a good example.

ok I will tell them . thanks for let us know .

it is good getting advance from someone from west Asia super power

 

[Timur]

Popularity of Iran between Muslims countries is increasing everyday and everyday. They have understood Saudis are their enemies, they are pan zionists. No country in Muslim world follow Islamic benefits, only Iran do. Turks are hypocritical. They're just looking for power. I bet Iran's popularity between Muslims is higher than turks. Turks want to increase their power in middle east by terrorism, also they think Egypt is still their colony. Erdogan act stupidly which only cause reduction of popularity of turks between Muslims.

About Shia Sunni, Iranian goals is much closer to Muslim desires then turks. Turkish government only talk but do nothing, Iran act.

so 100% government/mullah talk there is no need for further discussion

so I go out of this thread as ever there is no need to talk about the holy nation and its propaganda but let me say one thing if you hear from US sources that you will be regional power than it is not because its true or a good thing most intentions could be to get some other us to spend money against you or to frighten ppl to get a special goal..

 

[Arminkh]

"I hate to break it Obama, but Iran is already a successful regional power given its influence in both Iraq and Syria. "

Successful? Gaining influence in two war-torn regions where mercenaries and militias are running around, shooting eachother up won't make a nation a successful regional power.

That's the mess the west and Arabs created to pull those countries out of Iran's influence. Those countries will get back to where they were.

Fellow Iranians,
I think we should stop this argument as at some point it will turn into insulting each others identity.

Iran is a regional power and its power is on the rise. The fact that there are so many articles from east and west debating this issue tells me Iran is on the right track. How many of the countries in the region can claim that the picture of one of their military leaders was on the first page of Newsweek like that of General Suleimani?

The rest of the claims here are irrelevant.

 

[mike2000]

I am not sure if my perception is right...But undoubtedly, Turkey carries lot of soft power projection status in this world..I am not sure how much real it is..Although Turks is not so friendly to India as such, but Turks has an image in India and me too that it is not a jihadi state..It is percevied as a secular,modern and progressive people's nation...I think that matters a lot when you are projecting your power across the globe...

When i compare Turkey with Iran, of course, being an Indian, we always have more inclination towards Iran amongst the Muslim world...And honestly I hope Iran to rise further...but if i would like to be fair............I feel that Iran is just not playing its card properly in the diplomatic world?....Sometimes i wonder, why does Iran has to pay the price of supporting Palestine cause whole heartedly and fighting with Isreal? Is Palestine is a Iran's issue only?..Is rest of the Muslim world have had a easy life by playing a dual role of supporting Palestine as well as normal realtion with Israel, why not the leaders of Iran are not smart enough to protect their interest of their own countrymen?.....That i feel is surprising and this kind of polical diplomacy is holding them back in world stage...It is a true fact that the acheivement that Iran has done inspire of saction is tremendous, but at the end of the day, Turkey is viewed more positively across the world that Iran....Iran can blame the international media or whole sort of thing for that, but fact is Iran is not depicted or presented to the world for any good reason so that people or other nations will admire wrt to Turkey...

Again, i would love to see rise of Iran to rise much more than it is today...

I agree completely with you bro. I Couldn't have said it any better. Iran diplomacy is what is holding the country back soo much. This is a country that has got it priorities wrong. Its foreign policy is always a zero sum one of either yes or no, good or bad, with us or without us. This is a very wrong way of looking at things. Since politics is just a game(a very dirty one for that matter). Iran being overtly confrontational with our government in the west/U.S and Israel is plain stupid if you ask me. As you said no Muslim country has been supporting the palsestinians politically, diplomatically and most of all militarily like Iran, all other Arab/Muslim countries (even the so called self proclaimed leader of the Islamic world, you know who I mean.lol) always remain neutral, or are allied with the U.S and also have relations(and sometimes even collaborate) with Israel. I dont understand why Iran feels its it duty to help the Palestinians despite all the sanctions/hostility/isolation this entails for it and the country as a whole

Funny enough even the so called Hamas, Iran has been helping/arming/supporting all these decades, strongly crticized/condemned and even sent volunteers to fight against Syrian and iranian governments during the uprisings in Syria(since they and the rebels are both so called 'Sunnis' lool). So I don't understand why Iran still takes risks to help them fight Israel, they(Hamas) should have asked for help from their moral supporters I.e Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc. Common Iranians have been suffering a lot because of their foolish ayatollahs views/diplomacy of being anti western/Israeli in every way/thing. Despite Iranians being very advanced scientifically, educationally, industrially etc. The sanctions have set the country back by several years/decades than it would have been otherwise and impede it from achieving its full potential. This is a very stupid foreign policy their leaders have adopted. Not even China and Russia, have adopted such a foolish radical foreign policy.

As I said geo politics is just a game. Iran has to be pragmatic and learn how to play it well. Instead of indulging in foolish rhetoric of helping Palestinians for the 'Muslim cause' (as if there is any. Lool). Always look after your interests first and foremost all other things comes secondary(if at all.lol).

 

[Serpentine]

@TurAr @The Last of us thread banned for posting off topic

 

[Hiptullha]

These movements that compose of great powers like China are not important?
China is the country without whom your failed state would not even exist right now.
The point is, NAM show that your 'isolated' comments is **** brain fart.

Like I said before, being president of the NaM is no sign of influence. China also happened to vote for sanctions against Iran a number of times, despite being a member of the NaM. Can you inform me why?

Iran is only isolated with respect to Americans and zionist, you need to understand this ****.

Ah, good to see your beginning to admit you're isolated. These "Americans and Zionists" consist of most of Europe, most major countries in Asia, and North America, who in turn, are able to pressure smaller countries into supporting them. The only strands of support Iran gets is from China and Russia, and that too, because Iran is seen as a counter to Western influence.

Saudis at most can use dollar money to fund terrorists in other countries, which is what they managed to accomplish at most in Pakistan (led to children being slaughtered) Syria and Iraq. Only in the minds of saudi worshipping pakis does that equate to being a regional power. Saudis will never have the influence and ability to control like Iran has.This is hard for you to accept, but reality is not changed by **** fantasises

Completely irrelevant. Regurgitating what Press-TV tells you won't make you right. If you think support from elements in two war-torn countries, one country in a civil war, and one country which is an enemy of Israel, then go ahead. Keep perpetuating your delusions. Only Iran will suffer from them.

but then is there some tacit support and preference for groups liker ISIS over the Kurds (but then the PKK are terrorists no doubt) they're in a tough spot deciding on a balance between the crazy jihadis and anti national separatist elements.

Turket is killing 3 birds with one stone. By supporting ISIS, they'll be able to eventually remove Assad, continue in-fighting between rebel forces, weakening them, and also kill off some Kurdish fighters. By the time the conflict ends, the remains of the opposing forces will be dependent on foreign support and Turkey can begin building a loyal ally to replace Assad.