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NY Times: In Pakistan, a Charity Project Points to Official Tolerance of Militants

Distance between major cities in India is huge.
New Delhi - Mumbai : 1500 km
Kolkata : 1700 km
Chennai : 2300 km
Hyderabad : 1700 km
Bengaluru : 2200 km

Even If Pak dare to nuke any one of these cities, our other major cities won't be affected much and there will be massive retaliation from India to any attack from Pakistan.

I think all of India's major cities are well within range of Pakistan's missiles, and second I don't think so it will be one missile at a time like we launch and then wait to re-load and then fire again, multiple launches. Even if you leave us destroyed I am sure Pakistan would have figured out second strike capability by now.

By nuking India, Pakistan also expose itself to the wrath of some of the superpowers and be wiped out itself.

I already agreed two countries and one religion will be wiped out totally and the region after that will be left uninhabitable for others.
 
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Time has come for UN/USA to declare Pakistan a terror sponser state for their support to Jud/haqqani/let who are declared terror organisations by UN.

Keep dreaming. Do not wake up. You'll stay happy that way.

There is more to strategy and statecraft than what keyboard warriors think.
 
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Always fun to have some lecturing on good and evil from Uncle Sam.

I think all of India's major cities are well within range of Pakistan's missiles, and second I don't think so it will be one missile at a time like we launch and then wait to re-load and then fire again, multiple launches. Even if you leave us destroyed I am sure Pakistan would have figured out second strike capability by now.



I already agreed two countries and one religion will be wiped out totally and the region after that will be left uninhabitable for others.

LOL it's a tragedy to see how Indians always hijack a discussion and turn it into a dick measuring contest. I've seen almost 99% of threads ruined by discussions about nuke wars between Pakistan and India. This is usually how it always ends in any discussion. If only these people knew what a nuclear war actually means...
 
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The bold part that is what you believe. We don't have nearly more than 600K troops deployed there.

For the resolution to be implemented, you are not supposed to have even 1.

If you think UN is very active and effective body then lets impose its resolutions then. Give the people of Kashmir the right to decide their fate.
We can only discuss once Pakistan meets the prerequisites of removing all its forces and militants from the Pakistani occupied part of J&K
 
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For the resolution to be implemented, you are not supposed to have even 1.


We can only discuss once Pakistan meets the prerequisites of removing all its forces and militants from the Pakistani occupied part of J&K

How about India meeting some prerequisites by not raping and murdering innocent Kashmiris in Indian occupied Kashmir? Remember, it takes two to tango.
 
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Always fun to have some lecturing on good and evil from Uncle Sam.



LOL it's a tragedy to see how Indians always hijack a discussion and turn it into a dick measuring contest. I've seen almost 99% of threads ruined by discussions about nuke wars between Pakistan and India. This is usually how it always ends in any discussion. If only these people knew what a nuclear war actually means...
Uncle Sam is generous enough to give you its leftover weapons plus aid so you have to listen to the lecture whether you like it or not its your destiny.
 
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Uncle Sam is generous enough to give you its leftover weapons plus aid so you have to listen to the lecture whether you like it or not its your destiny.

They can keep their leftovers. We're not going to listen. Do something about it.
 
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How about India meeting some prerequisites by not raping and murdering innocent Kashmiris in Indian occupied Kashmir? Remember, it takes two to tango.
None of your rants are a prerequisite to the implementation of the 1948 resolution. Stay on the topic or if you do not have a logical, on topic response, walk away from the discussion.
 
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None of your rants are a prerequisite to the implementation of the 1948 resolution. Stay on the topic or if you do not have a logical, on topic response, walk away from the discussion.

I'm going to confront you with your wrongdoings. I know, it's a bitter pill and you believe that you're some Hanuman with no sins. Well, hate to burst your curry bubble, but you're not a sinless Hanuman. Stop violating the rights of ordinary Kashmiris. Get your troops out of Kashmir. You make demands. So will we make demands. Live with it.
 
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I already agreed two countries and one religion will be wiped out totally and the region after that will be left uninhabitable for others.
Nope. One country will be totally wiped out, that is Pakistan. Given the size & geography of Pakistan, an all out nuclear war will render 75-90% of its land mass as uninhabitable for a couple of centuries. India will be left in tatters with over 25% (assuming 100-150 warheads of Pakistan) of its land and probably all its major metros like Delhi, Mumbai destroyed, but most of the East and South will survive, with capital shifting to Kolkatta (which Pakistan will not dare to attack due to its proximity to China). India may even get split into 2 or more nation states but they will survive.

No impact on any religion since religion is an idea and not a geography dependent asset. Only that post that, no Islamic state will be left with a nuclear bomb.

I'm going to confront you with your wrongdoings. I know, it's a bitter pill and you believe that you're some Hanuman with no sins. Well, hate to burst your curry bubble, but you're not a sinless Hanuman. Stop violating the rights of ordinary Kashmiris. Get your troops out of Kashmir. You make demands. So will we make demands. Live with it.
Ah! the typical ranting of one left with no arguments. See, you asked India to fulfill the 1948 resolution which I told you can not be done till Pakistan fulfills the prerequisites for the same. Rest all is smoke screen to hide the fact that you are left with no response.

Hanuman or Muhammad have no role to play in this discussion.
 
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Nope. One country will be totally wiped out, that is Pakistan. Given the size & geography of Pakistan, an all out nuclear war will render 75-90% of its land mass as uninhabitable for a couple of centuries. India will be left in tatters with over 25% (assuming 100-150 warheads of Pakistan) of its land and probably all its major metros like Delhi, Mumbai destroyed, but most of the East and South will survive, with capital shifting to Kolkatta (which Pakistan will not dare to attack due to its proximity to China). India may even get split into 2 or more nation states but they will survive.

No impact on any religion since religion is an idea and not a geography dependent asset. Only that post that, no Islamic state will be left with a nuclear bomb.

To be short, you have been predicting the annihilation of Pakistan since its independence. 60 odd years have passed by and Pakistan is still here despite many attempts to disintegrate/annihilate it. Pakistan is staring at your ugly face day and night. Now that's a bitter fact that you have to swallow every day in your miserable life. How does it feel to wake up every morning and face this undeniable fact? Not only that, Pakistan is to stay here because our forefathers made a sacrifice for their upcoming generations despite all our current shortcomings.

As for a nuclear war, we'll see who stays and turns into rubble. All these fancy words and predications are worthless. You clearly have no clue what a nuclear war means. It only means total destruction. Don't be too happy about your survival prospects. There ain't none and I can assure you that. A nuclear war in not a joke. A nuclear war isn't waged based on numbers, predications or percentages. A nuclear war is total destruction and India too won't survive it. Anyone who thinks differently is naive.

As far as no Islamic state remaining a nuclear power, in your curry dreams buddy. Your hollow rhetoric is meaningless. You're just a speck of dust in this universe. Whatever you think or say is irrelevant.
 
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To be short, you have been predicting the annihilation of Pakistan since its independence. 60 odd years have passed by and Pakistan is still here despite many attempts to disintegrate/annihilate it. Pakistan is staring at your ugly face day and night. Now that's a bitter fact that you have to swallow every day in your miserable life. How does it feel to wake up every morning and face this undeniable fact? Not only that, Pakistan is to stay here because our forefathers made a sacrifice for their upcoming generations despite all our current shortcomings.

An average Indian does not even have Pakistan on its radar. Believe it if you can, though I know your misplaced sense of self worth wont allow you to.

As for a nuclear war, we'll see who stays and turns into rubble.
No. you wont. Because you and I both will be dead.

All these fancy words and predications are worthless. You clearly have no clue what a nuclear war means. It only means total destruction. Don't be too happy about your survival prospects. There ain't none and I can assure you that. A nuclear war in not a joke. A nuclear war isn't waged based on numbers, predications or percentages. A nuclear war is total destruction and India too won't survive it. Anyone who thinks differently is naive.
If you use common sense and mathematics, using the number of war heads Pakistan has and the fact that the strategy will be to inflict max damage to high value targets like Delhi, Mumbai, Hyderabad etc (requiring multiple warheads to be targeted at these places) and then match it up with the size of Indian land mass, you will see that Pakistan will not be able to completely destroy India. Hell, with 150 odd war heads, wiping Pakistan off the map will be a tough ask even though it is 1/10th in size. So if you leave emotion out of it, you will get the drift.


As far as no Islamic state remaining a nuclear power, in your curry dreams buddy. Your hollow rhetoric is meaningless. You're just a speck of dust in this universe. Whatever you think or say is irrelevant.
Did you mean to say anything here or were just playing the samba on the keyboard with an auto correct on :) ?
 
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Do you really think UN has the credibility and goodwill which it should have had? An impotent organisation that serves interests of few
Yes iy does, and thats why leaders of our nations strive to make a point or two to the world stage on the given fora.
 
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That sounds awfully like the good terrorist and bad terrorists meme

Heard a lot hoo-haah and hot gas about WMD's but nothing solid come out at the end except the demise of more than a million Iraqi's and instability of the region so please keep your concern's in your pocket..
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/29/w...official-tolerance-of-militants.html?ref=asia


KARACHI, Pakistan — Violence and mayhem are the hallmarks of Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Pakistani group that waged the deadly 2008 Mumbai attacks. But this week, the group publicly expanded its operations in an entirely different domain: health care.

On Monday, Lashkar’s founder, Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, inaugurated an ambulance service run by the group’s charity wing, Jamaat-ud-Dawa, in the bustling port city of Karachi. Two days later a fleet of gleaming new vans, emblazoned with the charity’s distinctive flag and loaded with stretchers still wrapped in plastic, were parked outside the group’s Karachi headquarters, waiting to make their first runs to hospitals on this city’s often chaotic streets.

The group already operates a similar service in 100 towns and cities across Pakistan, a spokesman for the charity said, and was seeking donations to help fund the new service in Karachi.

Even as Pakistan is experiencing a wave of anti-militant sentiment after the Pakistani Taliban’s massacre of schoolchildren in Peshawar last month, the aggressively public profile of Lashkar-e-Taiba, particularly through its Jamaat-ud-Dawa affiliate, suggests that some militant groups still enjoy official tolerance.

In fact, some analysts saw the unveiling of the new ambulance service this week as a calculated rebuke to speculation that the Pakistani authorities were finally going to enforce international sanctions against Jamaat-ud-Dawa.

That speculation picked up after Secretary of State John Kerry’s trip to Pakistan on Jan. 12. Afterward, a State Department spokeswoman, Marie Harf, suggested that Pakistani officials had promised to move against at least 10 militant groups. But when Pakistani officials were asked follow-up questions about the issue, it became clear that no new banning was imminent, and some officials said that an internal debate was still underway about which course to follow.

Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jamaat-ud-Dawa insist that the groups are distinct entities with different operations, and many Pakistani officials honor that distinction. But the United Nations Security Council does not, describing Jamaat-ud-Dawa merely as an alias or front for Lashkar on the international sanctions list.

Tasnim Aslam, a spokeswoman for Pakistan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said in an email that Pakistan complied with United Nations resolutions imposed against Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jamaat-ud-Dawa in 2008.

But she also conceded that Jamaat continued to operate openly in the country. “I am aware that JuD had an ambulance service,” she said.

Mr. Saeed, who founded Lashkar-e-Taiba but later sought to publicly recast himself as the charity-minded leader of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, responded to the new round of pressure to blacklist Jamaat by ramping up its operations.

Speaking publicly in Karachi on Monday — despite a $10 million United States government bounty on him — he accused “foreign enemies” of plotting against him and accused Western aid agencies of using relief work as a cover for “devious” aims.

The tirade seemed almost tongue-in-cheek, because critics often make the same charge against Jamaat, which is seen as a front for militant fund-raising and recruitment.

After years of steady expansion in Karachi, for instance, the Punjab-based group now operates a network of clinics, seminaries and schools, while its clerics rail against India and the United States at Friday sermons across Sindh Province.

The group’s freedom of movement, despite the wave of anti-militant sentiment since the Peshawar massacre, shows that Pakistan’s crackdown on some jihadist groups will not extend to Jamaat, analysts say.

“There’s a different part of the brain that operates when officials are talking about these groups,” said Moeed Yusuf, director of South Asia programs at the United States Institute of Peace in Washington.

The different treatment stems in part from Lashkar’s specific vision of jihad — its attacks are aimed mostly at India — and its close ties to Pakistani intelligence, which has a long history of playing favorites with militant groups.

Other groups with similar aims are also flourishing. Posters across Karachi this week advertised a Feb. 5 rally organized by Jaish-e-Muhammad, which was officially banned 13 years ago after its fighters tried to storm the Indian Parliament.

And yet there are signs that Pakistan’s troubled relationship with extreme Islamist groups may be changing somewhat.

After the Peshawar attack, protesters gathered outside the Red Mosque, a center of Islamist extremism in the center of Islamabad, to yell anti-Taliban slogans and demand the arrest of Maulana Abdul Aziz, the mosque’s chief cleric.

The movement, which calls itself “reclaim our mosques,” succeeded in registering criminal charges against Mr. Aziz — a move that, at the least, held symbolic importance. And though the movement’s numbers remain small, its leader, Jibran Nasir, says it will continue to agitate on the streets and through legal action. “We are going to come out week after week, month after month and encourage more people to join in,” he said in a phone interview. “We are not going to leave.”

Still, many Pakistanis remain cowed by the threat posed by the Pakistani Taliban and other jihadist groups, and the authorities have shown little enthusiasm for the protesters’ bravery. The Islamabad police have yet to initiate a criminal investigation against Mr. Aziz, much less arrest him, Mr. Nasir admitted.

For the military’s part, even as it has cracked down on the Pakistani Taliban, it has showed little determination to expand its militant-fighting campaign to include Lashkar-e-Taiba and its affiliates and allies.

Some analysts, like Mr. Yusuf at the United States Peace Institute, say that the hands-off policy is at least partly a product of fear: That even if army commanders and Pakistani officials had a mind to move against Lashkar, they worry that it might provoke a violent backlash that would destabilize the country.

“The state of Pakistan, civil and military, is petrified at the prospect of touching militants based in Punjab,” Mr. Yusuf said. “The paradigm is shifting. But you can be sure that you’re not going to see action against Jamaat-ud-Dawa any time soon.”
A idiot abroad pretending to be local.

Always fun to have some lecturing on good and evil from Uncle Sam.



LOL it's a tragedy to see how Indians always hijack a discussion and turn it into a dick measuring contest. I've seen almost 99% of threads ruined by discussions about nuke wars between Pakistan and India. This is usually how it always ends in any discussion. If only these people knew what a nuclear war actually means...
He's no Indian mate..he's a sorry a$$ Indian living in USA, he's lost his identity and having an identity crisis these days.
 
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