NWFP

[hamilcar of carthage]

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NWFP: North Western Frontier Province
As I said, it was not a name but rather a description given by the Britishers while KPK is a proper name and comes from the local culture.


I suspect he is from Hazara and there was some commotion in Abbottabad on this issue or something similar..perhaps they wanted a separate province and thus they supported PMLn.

am from swabi not hazara come on

I guess i am a waste of human being because i like to drink tea with every type of food.

Some people here are proper extremists, didn’t think it would offend someone.

I am not in favor of province names based on ethnicities, that's all. Just a trivial name to denote it's a different province because we're all Pakistanis not Pathan, Punjabi or Baloch.

Because i see ANP, PTM and others playing on this time and time again.

Anyway if it offends people here then I don't give a crap. I have moved on already

name it anything but not british words what good are we if we are still under neocolonial rule i will delete my post if i can

 

[RealNapster]

To me the name doesn’t matter.

I hated, hated ANP when they changed the name of NWFP to KPK

I was not onboard but didn’t hated the decision.

It's without a doubt that ANP is a separatist party and they never had any good intentions

So is JUI , MQM, PPP, PMLN, and elements in PTI.

Since PTI is undoing the wrongs of previous parties, can it change the name back to NWFP

School ki ganti hy kia jo hr class ky baad bajy ge ? Ya desposible glass hy ky hr use ky bad change kro ?

The name KPK brings me cringe and makes us different from Pakistanis

No it doesn’t. What you have to say about Punjab(i), Sindh(i), Baluch(istan)... ?? Seems we all are different then and everyone is a less Pakistani . No ?

Like we are Pashtuns and not Pakistanis. NWFP is a more patriotic name

NWFP was not a name... its like when someone ask “bhai ye naai ki dukan kidhr h ?” And he says “Yahan se Left pe das qadm” and you name the Naai shop “YSLPDQ”. Does it make sense ? KP is more of representation of the people and land... Khyber(land)-Pakhtoonkhwa(People)....

I know i am a loner but to me, KPK would always be NWFP

Your choice.

Look at the rest of the world. Would any Californian want to change its name? Definitely not

Let us rename claifornia to “Iqbalabad” for them and see how they react.

Where does the ame NWFP come from? A mystical unicorn that lived in the north-west?

Do you even realize the bs coming out of your mouth?
@RealNapster read this bs

Bhai had a thought... let him discuss it so that it do not bother him in future.

You sound like you are a hazara not a Pakhtoon

Many MPA’s from hazara voted in favor of this decision. Dont remember the exact mumber but it was a good number of MPA’s.

Sorry did not intend to generalise but just mentioned that there was some issue especially in Abbottabad and some people got killed

I guess people got killed after they burn down cantt police station. Now i am not sure which incident happen before but since after that day there is no “demand” for a separate province in hazara except that single baba.

I am not in favor of province names based on ethnicities, that's all

Split the country im divisions and name them

Division A
Division B
Division C
Division D

For all we care

 

[war&peace]

I bet if a referendum is held in KPK, 90% of people will say they are fine with the name.



So one person lost his packages so he wants the name of the entire province changed. This kind of selfishness is the reason why Pakistan is the way it is today. Laga reh

But that's the lamest excuse, it happened once..now changing the name will cause the same issue again... and btw how many was he sending and receiving.. I would say intel agencies should get to work. I'm an overseas Pakistani but I don't send/receive so many packages Pakistan.

 

[Crusher]

The KPK/NWFP province should be named "Gandhara" which was its name until 1000 AD.

Why so? but I don't think there is any such sentiment or demand by a significant number of the people in KPK/NWFP. However, I think a lot of problems can be eliminated by abolishing or dissolving provinces into district level units with most of provincial powers going to the district govt while rest to the centre...More like the Europe and other advanced countries.

Germany's area is same as Balochistan province of Pakistan, but Germany has 16 provinces each called "Bundesland" in german language which means "Federal State" in english. Every province/bundesland has its own provincial parliament and elected "chief minister" called "Ministerpräsident". So it is wrong to generalize that "european" countries have no provinces. In fact all german provinces/Bundesländer have their own flags too. The only difference between Germany and Pakistan I feel is that unlike Pakistan Germany has a "proportional representation" based electoral system where parties are given seats according to their vote share in any given election, but there is a minimum threshold to enter into parliament which is to get at least 5% of the total vote share that are cast in a given election, this way the "tanga parties" that get less than 5% of the total vote shares remain outside of federal and provincial parliaments.

 

[war&peace]

The KPK/NWFP province should be named "Gandhara" which was its name until 1000 AD.



Germany's area is same as Balochistan province of Pakistan, but Germany has 16 provinces each called "Bundesland" in german language which means "Federal State" in english. Every province/bundesland has its own provincial parliament and elected "chief minister" called "Ministerpräsident". So it is wrong to generalize that "european" countries have no provinces. In fact all german provinces/Bundesländer have their own flags too. The only difference between Germany and Pakistan I feel is that unlike Pakistan Germany has a "proportional representation" based electoral system where parties are given seats according to their vote share in any given election, but there is a minimum threshold to enter into parliament which is to get at least 5% of the total vote share that are cast in a given election, this way the "tanga parties" that get less than 5% of the total vote shares remain outside of federal and provincial parliaments.

I think you've some comprehension issues since you misread my posts and also then went on with an example that goes against your own agenda.
Germany is less than half the size of Pakistan with 16 "provinces/states" so by this analogy Pakistan should have 40-50 provinces. Now read my first post #2 ... how did you misread or skipped that?

However, generally, I'm against provinces and we should either abolish them or make several of them like 40-50.

Furthermore, it does not matter whether you call them states, cities, divs, or provinces...rather the relative size & population vis-a-vis the centre.

 

[Crusher]

I think you've some comprehension issues since you misread my posts and also then went on with a example that goes against your own agenda.
Germany is less than half the size of Pakistan with 16 "province" so by this logic Pakistan should have 40-50 provinces. Now read my first post #2 ... how did you misread that?

Furthermore, it does not matter whether you call them states, cities, divs, or provinces...rather the relative size & population vis-a-vis the centre.

All the "Bundesländer" or "provinces" of Germany are the historical German kingdoms that unified in 1871 to establish "Federal Republic of Germany", their flags are centuries old which predate the modern German state. These provinces were not made out of thin air as you were proposing in your post. Some of these German provinces/states just consist of one city like Berlin, Hamburg, Bremen are city states/provinces. Whereas the rest of the provinces are very big with no fixed size or population limit. Look at the following provinces/states/Bundesländer map of Germany with varying sizes and populations,

 

[syed_yusuf]

i have a different opinion
after merger of FATA to KPK, i believe, Pakistan now have a new power house that is not Punjab and Sindh. looking at KPK as of today and looking into the future i see a future of Pakistan. yes the name KPK might not be a good one to represent the province. that aside i believe, when we are going to have Punjab divided into two provinces, for the first time Pakistan going to have 4 kind of equally sized provinces with similar wazan (urdu). this is a good sign.

future --> this will pave the way for merging GB and dividing Baluchistan into two administrative units. hence giving Pakistan 7 provinces over next 10 years.

 

[war&peace]

All the "Bundesländer" or "provinces" or Germany are the historical German kingdoms that unified in 1871 to establish "Federal Republic of Germany", their flags are centuries old which predate the modern German state. These provinces were not made out of thin air as you were proposing in your post.

I know your agenda. But you will fail. Stop lying. Where did I say so? Now they have no significance.. no knows their names outside the Germany. All we know is there is one Germany and one German nation.

just consist of one city like Berlin, Hamburg, Bremen are city states/provinces. Whereas the rest of the provinces are very big with no fixed size or population limit.

Again your facts refute your own agenda and corroborate my stance. Now you can Berlin a province or a state.. but in fact..it is just one of the major cities in Germany

 

[Kambojaric]

Would have preferred something like Hazara Pakhtunkhwa, but KPK is still many times better than NWFP. The British name sounds less like a province and more like a battleground.

 

[war&peace]

Germany's area is same as Balochistan province of Pakistan, but Germany has 16 provinces each c

SO we should divide Baluchistan into 16 provinces.

am from swabi not hazara come on

I didn't for you

 

[shahbaz baig]

It does not matter what name you suggests, what matter is unity.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Why so? but I don't think there is any such sentiment or demand by a significant number of the people in KPK/NWFP. However, I think a lot of problems can be eliminated by abolishing or dissolving provinces into district level units with most of provincial powers going to the district govt while rest to the centre...More like the Europe and other advanced countries.

District level would be costly former division level would be more economically viable.

 

[war&peace]

District level would be costly former division level would be more economically viable.

District or division... both are okay... the smaller the size, the better because people have greater access to the local govt and they don't need to travel long distances. Plus, you don't need to make fancy infra structure rather each province / district has to generate its own income to develop though some funding can be directed from the centre for underdeveloped districts.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Please do not generalize. I am from Hazara.

Sir I studied in govt college Abbottabad do you remember H.Q.M in mid to late 80s

 

[Imad.Khan]

On what planet is the name NWFP a patriotic name? Northwest frontier province, really? What identity is in that name? Nothing, it was being referred to as a frontier province. It's like calling Punjab, the Eastern frontier province or gilgit as the Northern frontier province.

You sound like you are a hazara not a Pakhtoon.

I my self hate the name too, but I would never accept it changed back into what it used to be. A British creation, making it seem like the wild west, just because they weren't able to have a grip on it. It's a derogatory term, and you should get used to it.

Although we could change it into what it was meant to be. The province of Afghania, take from the "A" in name Pakistan

Well said, I am not fond of the name either, its just too long. I liked your logic on the name being Afghania as it was listed in the original demand for Pakistan, but i would still be happy if they reduced the name to just "Khyber"

Please do not generalize. I am from Hazara.

I am trying to find info on how it got the name Hazara, i still sometimes get confused on the place Hazara to Hazara the people.

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am from swabi not hazara come on

My family is from Swabi as well, are you Yousafzai too?

I think you've some comprehension issues since you misread my posts and also then went on with an example that goes against your own agenda.
Germany is less than half the size of Pakistan with 16 "provinces/states" so by this analogy Pakistan should have 40-50 provinces. Now read my first post #2 ... how did you misread or skipped that?

He actually does have comprehension issue, he once went bonkers on me about how middle-east is the oldest civilization and all CAS people are equal to animals because they are nomads, when my post was about area names.