Jungibaaz
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Rules be damned? You wot?
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It's that simple.
Have been hearing this from the time of Rah-e-haq way back in 2006-7 and year after year of such ops. But every year, the militancy in Pakistan is stronger than the previous year, the attacks by terrorists are bolder and more spectacular. As I said, Insanity is doing the same mistake again and again and yet expecting different results. Do a search on the forum and read a thread called "The Monkey Trap" based on an article written in 2002. You will know what I mean (only if you read it with an open mind)
Oh you think you're views on the matter are unique? I hate to tell you, I hold the typical Pakistani view and judging by what you've said here and what was written in that article you posted, you hold the very typical, completely expected, confused Indian view. Let me assure you, it is.
Just you watch the way our military handles probably the toughest insurgency situation anywhere in the world, outside of Iraq (in the mid-2000's) and Afghanistan. The need to route extremism is not a job for the army nor can army's police. The government if it ever does succeed in this, it will only succeed when the army makes way for it through these operations.
If you knew as much as you think you know, you'd know that the army op's conducted since 2008 have been model counter insurgency ops, where the military has declared it clear, where it has provided a permanent presence, where it has built and aided the building of civilian infrastructure, the taliban have been completely externalized.
The problem itself still plagues Pakistan because no borders exist within the nation and no borders exist between Afghanistan and Pakistan, so the fact that both Afghanistan and FATA have remained affected means that the insurgency spreads and is not contained, now that NW is being cleared, the very last stronghold of the taliban will be destroyed, their ability to group within our borders, build bombs, take shelter, regain strength is severely diminished. The army are not fools, they will do whatever they can to make sure this area remains clean, whether that means making choke points to deny large scale movement of militants and arms or hitting them at home in Afghanistan, it will be done.
Mark my words, mark my words, I said before that insurgency will really only come to an end after 2013, and now look 2014 and the op we've been waiting for 3 years has commenced. We are now more optimistic than ever about defeating the militants and the people are by and large on our side, not just here but also in the tribal areas.
Spill over from Afghanistan is the name of the game now, for PA to mop up whenever needed, fighting an internal monster, long gone will be those days soon.
if the afghani intelligence had such knowledge, why the hell did they not stop these groups from entering afghanistan?
They're always pulling bluffs and when they're not, they're on the run, running with their tail between their legs.
They may or may not have yielded tactical results, but as I said, every year the terrorists seem to be getting stronger and their attacks bolder. So definitely the over all strategy does not seem to be successful.
Part in bold, proves you're unsure, good poker facet though I must say.
Terrorists seem to be getting weaker, back in '08 they controlled land, heaps of land, now they're very last piece of land is being taken form them without mercy. Their attacks are less frequent, and being limited.
Tell me, when you apply pressure and restraint to a mad animal, does it make less noise or more? Back then they were contesting land, now they're fighting to keep whatever scraps they can find, back then they were consolidating gains, now they consolidate whatever is left either here or in their refuge in Afghanistan. Back then they had the reach and intention of attacking anything and everything, now they specifically target the military, mostly at home, we've bled, but our shaheed and our military machine has soldiered on and absorbed whatever they'd had to throw. All previous steps in this war have led up to this, this is the grand finale and wewill be victorious.
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