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ISLAMABAD: After a minister’s hesitation to share the number of Pakistani troops who laid down their lives in recent incidents of Indian firing from across the Line of Control (LoC), Senate Chairman Mian Raza Rabbani on Tuesday held that no information could be withheld from parliament.

Minister of State for Water and Power Abid Sher Ali informed the house that as many as 66 civilians had been killed and 288 injured as a result of unprovoked Indian firing from across the LoC, but the number of army troops martyred could not be disclosed due to security reasons.

“We do not want our enemy to know how many soldiers laid down their lives,” he said.

The minister said a letter had been written to the General Headquarters, seeking more details which were expected to be available in a couple of days.

The chairman said the calling attention notice on the matter had appeared on the agenda on Tuesday but it had been with the Senate secretariat for several days and the information should have come by now.

“Will the order of parliament prevail or that of the Ministry of Defence or GHQ?” he asked.

Stressing that no information could be concealed from parliament, he said if the government wanted, the session could be declared in-camera when it would be shared.

He said parliament was supreme and he could not allow hiding of information from the forum.

The chairman ordered that the information be provided to the house during the current session.

He said that if any matter of national security was involved, there were two options: either an in-camera session could be held or the information submitted to the office of the Senate chairman where the members could go through it.

Senator Ateeq Sheikh of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement had moved the notice to draw the government’s attention towards the loss of precious lives of Pakistani citizens in the Indian firing.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1337974/number-of-martyred-troops-cant-be-disclosed-senate-told
 
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No doubt about it.
Both Russia and Pakistan are experts when it comes to hiding troops casualties.
 
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But hiding your actual casualties of the 1962 China-Indian war for 50 yrs is acceptable as well?
The worst of all, your government still refused to disclose the "Henderson Report" to the Indian public using "national security" as excuses, what threat still remained after more than half a century?
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http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...ter-a.k-antony-indian-air-force/1/225538.html
 
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Over 4,500 soldiers killed along LoC in Pak firing since 2001: Army
Army's response to RTI filed by Pankaj Darve revealed that post Kargil conflict, as many as 4,675 soldiers have lost their lives along the LoC in ceasefire violations by Pakistan.
  • WRITTEN BY ADITI RAJA | VADODARA |
  • Published On: November 5, 2016 5:22 Am

More than 4,500 soldiers have lost their lives in ceasefire violations along the LoC in Jammu & Kashmir since 2001, the Army said in reply to an application filed under RTI. The reply to the RTI application, filed on September 22, is dated October 26 and signed by CPIO of the Army, based on the query of Vadodara-based activist Pankaj Darve.


It revealed that post Kargil conflict, as many as 4,675 soldiers have lost their lives along the LoC in ceasefire violations by Pakistan. The RTI reply does not reveal the number of instances of ceasefire violations reported in the last 15 years.


It also stated that as many as 1,174 army personnel have been killed in instances of terror attacks like the one in Pathankot in January this year. According to the official figures, as many as 7,908 terror instances have occurred since 2001.

Darve said, “Ever since the Uri terror attack in September, there has been much noise around the ongoing ceasefire violations. I filed the RTI to understand what the armed forces have faced in the last few years since Kargil (conflict). The figures are shocking and indicate that we lose our jawans more frequently in ceasefire violations than we are told. I plan to write to the government to make all these instances known to the people.”
He added that the figures did not include casualties suffered by the Army in natural accidents due to treacherous terrain in various parts along the LoC, especially Siachen.



http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ng-loc-in-pak-firing-since-2001-army-3738096/
When u don't have your official figures to counter then whatever figure our whatever source quotes is true.
Enjoy your own media's source.:lol:

First time i have joined any forum.
Tell us again first time you have started sucking a thumb too?
 
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Meanwhile Pakistani journalist Mubashir Zaidi who works for both Pakistani DAWN news/TV and Indian newspaper, The Hindu confirmed that a Pakistani soldier was killed along LoC two days back and two more injured.
Mubashir Zaidi
KARACHI, JUNE 05, 2017 04:42IST

There was also no official word on the casualties on the Pakistani side, though sources said at least one soldier, Waris Shah, had been killed and two injured in the clash.

httpwww,thehindu,com/todays-paper/tp-national/pak-releases-video-of-loc-attack/article18720128.ece
 
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Enjoy your own media's source
Actually the official figure is only 144:
169 civilians, 144 security men killed in border firing
Over 8000 AK rifles, 20,158 grenades recovered
Posted on 29/06/2016 by Daily Excelsior
Adil Lateef
SRINAGAR, June 28: Government today said 313 persons including 169 civilians and 144 security men were killed in cross border shelling in the State since year 2002.

ISPR Shuhada list shows 81 Pakistan Army personnel killed in Kashmir border between 2003-Feb 2011 whereas Indian Army & BSF lost only 58 in the same period.
 
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I'll believe what your Army said more than a nut sack on PDF in this case.
Army never said that, a random RTI nutjob Darve claimed that Army said that without ever showing documents, this what the government said:
169 civilians, 144 security men killed in border firing
Over 8000 AK rifles, 20,158 grenades recovered
Posted on 29/06/2016 by Daily Excelsior
Adil Lateef
SRINAGAR, June 28: Government today said 313 persons including 169 civilians and 144 security men were killed in cross border shelling in the State since year 2002.
 
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Im talking about the official report, not the so-called leaked one, whats there to hide if the leaked one is the full report dear? perhaps using some of your brain power wouldn't be a bad idea
Looks you really need to update yourself, Henderson report got removed from official secrets act after it got leaked.

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Enjoy the fun... :D
Once again it's 144 troops incl BAD & 169 civilians.
 
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Abid Sher Ali is water and power minister and has nothing to do with army or armed forces affairs. I am surprised how a statement by that idiot became news
He was speaking officially on behalf f defence minister:
The remarks of the Senate chairman came after State Minister for Water and Power Abid Sher Ali speaking on behalf of the defence minister said that the army did not want to make public its losses in terms of human fatalities as a result of firing on the LoC by the Indian forces.
 
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Source please
India's Top Secret 1962 China War Report Leaked
The report has been classified top secret for over 50 years and is the subject of much speculation.

By The Diplomat Staff
March 20, 2014
 
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