Nuclear weapons only for strategic deterrence: Army chief

[Smarterthanyou]

Sorry to hurt your Indian sensibilities. Indians troll us, and we reply.

Nasr was designed to counter Cold Start. If that is not lowering the nuclear threshold, then what is?

You have to make sense to hurt ones sensibilities. I see you as a consummate troll, almost like a fixation you have with them. I see you as a bully most of the times taunting them but dare not comparing yourselfs to us.

Finally, understand this that regardless of what Nasr was claimed to be in place for, the reality is, there are only two options on a nuclear threshold- you either cross it with a detonation or you don't. If the US blows up your naval assets using nuclear weapons but does not lobby one on your lands at first, will you Mr. armchair general advise your military to hold off ? Do you posses a Chinese crystal ball that foretells the US intention going forward?

You really need to stick to trolling on world affairs my man, defense related subjects are not your cup of tea.

 

[janon]

Well they went ahead and inducted Nasr already.



It makes perfect sense as a deterrent.

Would India dare to implement Cold Start, if they knew that it would lead to Nasr and therefore full-scale nuclear war?

And I expressed my doubts about Nasr - not even China has miniaturised nukes to that extent.

India will definitely implement cold start - a few thrusts into pakistani territory to inflict punishing strikes. Have you asked yourself the same question about pakistan? Will pakistan dare to use a small nuclear weapon against an Indian armoured column, if the response would be one of their cities going up in a mushroom cloud?

This fear applies equally to both sides, you see. Why is it that you expect sanity and logic only from the Indian side? I mean I'm flattered by that, but don't you think the pakistan military would also be concerned about their population? Or in your opinion is it just India that wisely analyses the risks and benefits, whereas pakistani generals are just itching to nuke and be nuked?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

You have to make sense to hurt ones sensibilities. I see you as a consummate troll, almost like a fixation you have with them. I see you as a bully most of the times taunting them but dare not comparing yourselfs to us.

Finally, understand this that regardless of what Nasr was claimed to be in place for, the reality is, there are only two options on a nuclear threshold- you either cross it with a detonation or you don't. If the US blows up your naval assets using nuclear weapons but does not lobby one on your lands at first, will you Mr. armchair general advise your military to hold off ? Do you posses a Chinese crystal ball that foretells the US intention going forward?

You really need to stick to trolling on world affairs my man, defense related subjects are not your cup of tea.

LOL, I saw your very first two posts on this forum. Both were defending India, and attacking Pakistan, Bangladesh and China.

You Indians are so afraid of using your real flags, and I know why.

 

[AUz]

Actually the choice of nuclear war is entirely pakistan's.[/B] India will not use nuclear weapons unless one is used on us first. Pakistan will be the one to initiate nuclear war, not India. So the choice of nuclear war rests entirely with pakistan.

Even if it is China or the USA that attacks us, we will not use nuclear weapons unless one is used on us first. So the choice of taking warfare to the nuclear level is always with whoever is waging war with India.

Nope ...its your choice. Pakistan will not invade India...if India does then this is a declaration of war and Pakistan would turn Indian troops into clouds of smoke within few mins,after the decision is made. We'll do it on OUR soil against an FOREIGN "INVADER" ...then it up to you..you want to launch a nuclear strike on the state on Pakistan? really? realistically? mmmm suicide is always an option....it this case ..this option is upto India...

Situation is simple :

Don't think of invading Pakistan...Pakistan will not think of invading India...we all live in peace.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

And I expressed my doubts about Nasr - not even China has miniaturised nukes to that extent.

India will definitely implement cold start - a few thrusts into pakistani territory to inflict punishing strikes. Have you asked yourself the same question about pakistan? Will pakistan dare to use a small nuclear weapon against an Indian armoured column, if the response would be one of their cities going up in a mushroom cloud?

This fear applies equally to both sides, you see. Why is it that you expect sanity and logic only from the Indian side? I mean I'm flattered by that, but don't you think the pakistan military would also be concerned about their population? Or in your opinion is it just India that wisely analyses the risks and benefits, whereas pakistani generals are just itching to nuke and be nuked?

Well, who is better at calling bluffs?

I think Pakistan wins that one hands down, due to what happened after the 2008 Mumbai attacks. It was India who backed down from conducting any surgical strikes.

Then of course they went ahead and inducted Nasr as well.

If India wants to call the bluff, then go ahead and implement Cold Start. I don't think you will risk it, I certainly wouldn't.

 

[janon]

Nope ...its your choice. Pakistan will not invade India...if India does then this is a declaration of war and Pakistan would turn Indian troops into clouds of smoke within few mins,after the decision is made. We'll do it on OUR soil against an FOREIGN "INVADER" ...then it up to you..you want to launch a nuclear strike on state on Pakistan? really? realistically? mmmm suicide is always an option....

Situation is simple

Don't think of invading Pakistan...Pakistan will not think of invading India...we all live in peace.

Its a little more complicated than that. India has never invaded pakistan, it has always been pakistan that initiated wars. Also, these days there is also the concept of pak sponsored terrorism on our soil, which is war by other means.

The choice to go nuclear is always yours. India will not use nukes first. India will not invade your territory either, unless you are stupid enough to try another kargil or mumbai.

If you think it is wise to use a nuke on your soil on our troops, go ahead and do it. Yes, one division or two will be vaporised, but the response would be karachi or lahore or islamabad getting vaporised. Are you sure you want to invite that by nuking a conventional invading force, or would you rather try and fight them man to man? The choice is yours, and always will be.

 

[tjpf]

Well, who is better at calling bluffs?

I think Pakistan wins that one hands down, due to what happened after the 2008 Mumbai attacks. It was India who backed down from conducting any surgical strikes.

Then of course they went ahead and inducted Nasr as well.

If India wants to call the bluff, then go ahead and implement Cold Start. I don't think you will risk it, I certainly wouldn't.

its always 2008 or 62 for you. open up and see whats hapening today

 

[Smarterthanyou]

LOL, I saw your very first two posts on this forum. Both were defending India, and attacking Pakistan, Bangladesh and China.

You Indians are so afraid of using your real flags, and I know why.

I've been reading the forums off and on for a year now and familiar with house trolls and only care to defend the topic at hand. Regardless of your Indian fixation, I noticed that after I informed you about your naive statement on understanding nuclear thresholds, all you had was to come back to me is with your Indian fixation. I guess that's a classic troll footprint, when shown the sure ignorance of their ways, go back to off topic trolling.

Btw, you always troll in threads when Indians and Pakistanis are going at it too, taking pakistans side, does that make you Pakistani?

 

[janon]

Well, who is better at calling bluffs?

I think Pakistan wins that one hands down, due to what happened after the 2008 Mumbai attacks. It was India who backed down from conducting any surgical strikes.

Then of course they went ahead and inducted Nasr as well.

If India wants to call the bluff, then go ahead and implement Cold Start. I don't think you will risk it, I certainly wouldn't.

We didn't have the capability to do punishing thrusts in 2008, and we still don't fully. Thats what the article is talking about. Thats why we are evolving this new doctrine, and the entire Indian military is being transformed to a capability based force. But if pakistan thinks it can keep doing mumbai style terror attacks for eternity, it is mistaken. In future we will have the capability to repsond appropriately. And you should probably be asking why pakistan does that, instead of gloating that India didn't retaliated.

My post wasn't about any bluffs. I asked you a few pointed questions, read the last para again. Your response wasn't a response to my questions.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

This fear applies equally to both sides, you see. Why is it that you expect sanity and logic only from the Indian side? I mean I'm flattered by that, but don't you think the pakistan military would also be concerned about their population? Or in your opinion is it just India that wisely analyses the risks and benefits, whereas pakistani generals are just itching to nuke and be nuked?

I think that Pakistan successfully deters Indian military actions against them, ever since achieving a respectably large nuclear stockpile in the 2005+ era.

And will most likely continue to do so.

 

[tjpf]

@ CD yes they would coz you said so

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

@ CD yes they would coz you said so

Well, if you disagree, then make an argument against it?

 

[AUz]

Its a little more complicated than that. India has never invaded pakistan, it has always been pakistan that initiated wards. Also, these days there is also the concept of pak sponsored terrorism on our soil, which is war by other means.

The choice to go nuclear is always yours. India will not use nukes first. India will not invade your territory either, unless you are stupid enough to try another kargil or mumbai.

If you think it is wise to use a nuke on your soil on our troops, go ahead and do it. Yes, one division or two will be vaporised, but the response would be karachi or lahore or islamabad getting vaporised. Are you sure you want to invite that by nuking a conventional invading force, or would you rather try and fight them man to man? The choice is yours, and always will be.

Mumbai wasn't state-sponsored and ISI actually tried to help India avoiding mumbai. So pul-eeeseee forget that any Mumbai,in which Pakistan is not even involved,would give India chance to strike Pakistan? Never.Period.

So again its YOUR choice...want to invade Pakistan? Cool...have no problems with that...

Also just for two divisions vaporized on ENEMY territory,you'd launch a nuclear strike on Pak? mmmm really? realistically? Well then be ready to see Mumbai , Hyderabad , Delhi , Chennai , Deccan , Kolkata etc etc etc getting vaporized into the air like fire's smoke. India would be a loser in such contest because in the nuclear war , "survivor" is the loser ! Pakistan won't be there no more but your GENERATIONS will SUFFER for eternity.

So again situation is simple :

Not mess with us , we won't mess with you.
Mess with us , we will see you in hell then .....

or would you rather try and fight them man to man? The choice is yours, and always will be.

Well offcourse we will fight them man to man. Its simple .. See

If Indians invade and Pakistani military is able to protect its key interests and defend itself against Indian armoured thrusts while inflicting heavy causalities on India (which would be obvious) then it would be India's defeat. No one would call it "punitive strike" ...

and IF (and a BIG IF) Indians over-whelm Pakistani forces and "punished" them then what you think? We'll let your forces go back ...home sweet home..? No sir this is not happening. In THAT case , Indian forces on OUR side would be liquidized and turn into smoke...

So again ....situations remains the same :

Not invade Pakistan , Pakistan won't do anything silly.

Invade Pakistan , death and destruction is waiting for the region.

 

[tjpf]

@CD again, why coz you siad so!

 

[janon]

I think that Pakistan successfully deters Indian military actions against them, ever since achieving a respectably large nuclear stockpile in the 2005+ era.

And will most likely continue to do so.

Name three actions that India tried and pak deterred. Name one. And which of these was using Nasr?

The fact is that India hasn't retaliated or taken action so far despite the gravest provocations. You should be condemning these provocations and urging pak to stop these provocations.

Again, as before, your response wasn't to my pointed questions, but was just an off the cuff remark. I think you have understood my point - that you were asking for and expecting sanity and rational behaviour only from India, and you did not consider pakistanis to have those qualities. As I said before, it is very flattering indeed.