Nuclear exchange 'most likely' between Pakistan, India: NYT

[Sabretooth]

In that case, Pakistan will have no choice but to opt for Mushi doctrine i.e. send 50 nukes India's way to completely decimate it so the chance of any counter strike is next to nil.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

salaam!

Nuclear exchange 'most481552-Nuclear-exchange-most-likely-between-Pakistan-India-NYT

08 March,2019 12:33 pm

Nuclear exchange is 'most likely' between Pakistan and India, reports NYT.
https://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/481552-Nuclear-exchange-most-likely-between-Pakistan-India-NYT
(Web Desk) – The current focus on North Korea’s growing arsenal obscures the fact that the most likely trigger for a nuclear exchange could be the conflict between India and Pakistan, the New York Times reported.

Long among the world’s most antagonistic neighbors, the two nations clashed again last week before, fortunately, finding the good sense to de-escalate. The latest confrontation, the most serious between the two nations in more than a decade, gave way to more normal pursuits like trade at a border crossing and sporadic cross-border shelling.

But this relative calm is not a solution. As long as India and Pakistan refuse to deal with their core dispute — the future of Kashmir — they face unpredictable, possibly terrifying, consequences.

The current crisis dates to Feb. 14, when a Kashmiri suicide bomber killed at least 40 Indian paramilitary officers in the deadliest attack in three decades in the divided region that both nations have claimed since partition in 1947.

Last week, India sent warplanes into Pakistan for the first time in five decades. Pakistan counterattacked, leading to a dogfight in which at least one Indian jet was shot down and a pilot was captured by the Pakistanis.

Prime Minister Imran Khan returned the pilot to India, in what was seen as a good-will gesture, called for talks and promised an investigation into the bombing. India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi took the opportunity to back off further escalation.

The situation could have easily escalated, given that the two countries have fought three wars over 70 years, maintain a near-constant state of military readiness along their border and have little formal government-to-government dialogue.

Adding to the volatility, Narendra Modi, is waging a tough re-election campaign in which he has used anti-Pakistan talk to fuel Hindu nationalism.

The next confrontation might not end so calmly.

Without international pressure, a long-term solution is unlikely, and the threat of nuclear war remains.

While the Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations aggressively worked to ensure that India-Pakistan confrontations in 1999, 2002 and 2008 did not spiral out of control, the Trump administration has done little but issue a few statements urging restraint. It’s hard to see a role as a mediator for Mr. Trump.

A solution to a conflict that touches so many religious and nationalist nerves must ultimately come from within, through talks among India, Pakistan and the people of Kashmir.

The two countries have crossed into dangerous territory, with India and Pakistan engaging in aerial duels. The next confrontation, or the one after that, could be far more unthinkable.

True. Pakistani nuke bluff is no longer effective.

 

[Riz]

We can't currently do that without taking ourselves down with them.

We are ready to sacrifice our lives for the next generation .. Like japan.. Problem is monkeys owning a unlocked ak-47, and who knows when and where these scums would hit us first just for gaining popularity in elections

 

[CrazyZ]

I want peace but you have to accept reality. Mind sets are not changing in New Delhi anytime soon. International pressure to resolve Kashmir issue isn't coming. We have to be able to counter strike hard!!! Both conventionally and with wmd. BJP doesnt want to talk...they only

 

[maximuswarrior]

Again Nuclear Bluff?

Says the guy who started the nuclear race.

 

[CrazyZ]

Respect power.

 

[Riz]

True. Pakistani nuke bluff is no longer effective.

Lol.. We are still ready to use nukes when ever we think you are going to outnumbered us... Its your dream that we let you go easily..

 

[Indus Pakistan]

It is this type of thinking that makes outsiders anticipate a full exchange.

There is nothing new about this. The threat of real exchange existed in Europe from 1950s to 1990. I lived under it. I saw even public warning on BBC. Even at school advice was given about what to do. While the threat of nukes has left Europe but from 1990s onwards it has settled in South Asia.

 

[Tshering22]

It is almost like NYT wants it.

Given their hatred for both the countries, the elites backing that sickly colonial and racist newspaper would like to see us nuke each other.

 

[OCguy]

There is nothing new about this. The threat of real exchange existed in Europe from 1950s to 1990. I lived under it. I saw even public warning on BBC. Even at school advice was given about what to do. While the threat of nukes has left Europe but from 1990s onwards it has settled in South Asia.

The threat of exchange still exists in Europe. But the Americans/Russians do not hate each other the way that Indians/Pakistanis appear to based on the posts on this forum.

It is almost like NYT wants it.

Given their hatred for both the countries, the elites backing that sickly colonial and racist newspaper would like to see us nuke each other.

The exact opposite, actually.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Ultimately nukes are a blessing for Pakistan. They are the great equalizer. Imagine if you had to face seven guys all alone? You would not stand a fighting chance even if you were stronger then the other guys. One to seven is just way too much disparity. Now if you managed to get few grenades that would equalize the 7:1 odds you would face. This is exactly what nukes have done in case of Pakistan.

Sobering Fact. Out of 19 states in India just one ~ Utter Pradesh has as much population as Pakistan.

 

[OCguy]

Ultimately nukes are a blessing for Pakistan. They are the great equalizer. Imagine if you had to face seven guys all alone? You would not stand a fighting chance even if you were stronger then the other guys. One to seven is just way too much disparity. Now if you managed to get few grenades that would equalize the 7:1 odds you would face. This is exactly what nukes have done in case of Pakistan.

Sobering Fact. Out of 19 states in India just one ~ Utter Pradesh has as much population as Pakistan.

You are correct, except that the point of them is to not use them. If there was a full-scale war, like I see some on both sides hoping for, the only thing "equal" will be the destruction of population centers in both countries.

 

[Longhorn]

The only way to utilise nuclear weapons is to keep the threat credible. The other side has to understand and believe that you are willing and able to use them. That being the case, there is little to no chance of them ever being used.
Keep standing our ground and we'll be ok.
Last Tuesday was a very good start.

 

[Village life]

Here you are guys. This is New York Times, normally regarded as the repository of everything anti-Pakistani. This article is fair, balanced and from Indian POV pro Pakistan.

Here is NYT crediting Pak for having clobberd India in what was counter-attack and then shown maturity by returning the pilot. NYT is doing what Pak always wants. Place Kashmir in centre of Indo-Pak issue and crreate pressure to resokve this issue. This is as good as it gets.

Proves if you have good government and credible foreign policy handled by people who know how to 'play the game' thinks can work better for Pakistan. The west is not intrinsically evil or against Pakistan. It is all about how Pakistan plays it and the underlying colliding self interests of nations.

The PTI government has been ace at playing the foreign policy arena ...

Suddenly American and her Media are becoming worried of Kashmiries, China silent on the issue, one can sense what are Americans looking in Kashmir, An independent pro Western American KASHMIR, very sooooooooooon you will see thousands of kashmiries living in UK chanting for freedom and USA, UK hinting their support in UN, what is needed is a China , Russia India, Pakistan ,Iran, Turkey block to keep one and only evil of this universe at bay,and peace will prevail ,

 

[CrazyZ]

Ultimately nukes are a blessing for Pakistan. They are the great equalizer.

Unfortunately they are no longer effective. Part of the message behind balakot strike was that India does not feel threatened by our wmd.

Out of 19 states in India just one ~ Utter Pradesh has as much population as Pakistan.

That's makes then a great bio weapons target. Lets use their numbers against them. I estimate that over 95% of India's population would die within a week if modern genetically enhanced biologic weapons were used against them.