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Nuclear arms race between China and India

There is no going back from a nuclear strike. If you have read Enders Saga you will know that you defeat an enemy, defeat him so he never gets up to fight you again. Obviously this is not true for India who have left Pakistan to do what they do best and have only minimum nuclear deterrence against China. But Chinese are a bit more logical. We have far, far more than 176 nuclear warheads and the means to make even more. I will admit that I believe this freely.
 
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There is no nuclear arms race between China and India,a race means you added the nuc and I added too,but China will not add the number of nuks,only India added their nuks to catch up China~~~There will be no big war between nuk countries~~~
 
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Don't Even Think About It

The Cold War was scary enough. Now try to imagine a nuclear arms race between China and India.

BY CHRISTIAN CARYL | JULY 13, 2010

Europeans and Americans, who have dominated world affairs for so long, are understandably fascinated by the recent rise of China and India. It's obvious that the rapid economic resurgence of these two great Asian powers fundamentally alters the global rules of the game.

China and India have built up a $60-billion-per-year trading relationship, and for years they've insisted that they want to work more closely on a variety of fronts. Yet that expressed desire for collaboration co-exists uneasily with a long-running strategic rivalry. Parts of their mutual border remain in dispute. China has long supported Pakistan, India's main enemy, while the Indians have often befriended competitors of the Chinese (be it Moscow or Washington). Lately Beijing has been cultivating relationships among countries in Southeast Asia and the Indian Ocean -- including Bangladesh, Myanmar, and Sri Lanka -- to protect the flow of commerce and access to supplies of natural resources. That has the Indians fearing encirclement.

Lately, though, another element is threatening to complicate the strategic calculus: the nuclear factor. In themselves, of course, nuclear weapons are nothing new to either country. China has been a nuclear power for decades, while India conducted its first nuclear test in 1974 (though most outsiders tend to think of 1998, when New Delhi conducted a series of underground explosions designed to establish its bona fides as a genuine nuclear power). Although both countries have sworn off first use, both have built up formidable deterrents designed to retaliate against any attackers.

So what's new? A lot. Concurrent with their rising economic might, China and India have set about modernizing their militaries to lend extra muscle to their growing strategic ambitions -- and given their complicated history, that can't help but spark worries. "China has the most active and diverse ballistic missile development program in the world," noted one U.S. report. "China's ballistic missile force is expanding in both size and types of missiles." China's Dongfeng long-range missiles boast independently controlled multiple warheads, mobility, and solid fuel (meaning that they can be fired with little notice). That's just one of many areas in which the Chinese have demonstrated their advanced technological capabilities. In January China shot down one of its own satellites with a missile -- once again demonstrating, as it did with a previous test in 2007, that it's well down the path toward a ballistic missile defense system.

That test unnerved the Indians, who saw the prospect of Chinese space weapons as a potential threat to the credibility of their own nuclear deterrent. The Indians, meanwhile, have been hard at work on a new generation of long-range missiles of their own. The Agni-5, which is set for a test flight by the end of this year, has a projected range of 5,000 to 6,000 kilometers -- meaning that it would be able to hit even the northernmost of China's cities. The Indians are also conducting sea trials of their first ballistic missile submarine, the Arihant, which could be ready for deployment within another year or two.

It is undoubtedly true that the two countries mainly have other potential enemies in mind. China is primarily concerned about deterring potential attacks by the world's leading nuclear power, the United States, while India's strategic calculations focus on the threat from Pakistan. Yet strategic logic is creating the potential for direct friction between Beijing and New Delhi on several fronts. The two countries are already engaged in a naval arms race as they jockey for influence in the waters around South Asia. Tensions have also been mounting over the two countries' border disputes -- especially the one involving the disputed area of Arunachal Pradesh (which is controlled by the Indians). The Indians complain of a rising number of Chinese incursions into the area; a remark by the Chinese ambassador to India a few years ago, when he claimed the territory as China's, stirred up public outrage. The Chinese, who regard Arunachal Pradesh as part of Tibet, worry in turn about a buildup of Indian troops in the region.

Rajeswari Pillai Rajagopalan of the Observer Research Foundation in New Delhi notes one concern. Starting in 2007, the Chinese military began a major upgrade of its missile base near the city of Delingha in Qinghai province, next to Tibet. In addition to the intermediate-range missiles already stationed in the region, Rajagopalan says there are indications the Chinese may have beefed up the force with long-range DF-31s and DF-31As -- thus threatening not only northern India, including Delhi, but targets in the south as well. It's entirely possible, she acknowledges in a 2007 paper, that the Chinese move could be aimed primarily at countering Russian missiles stationed in Siberia, but warns that "what the Chinese may consider a routine exercise may send a wrong signal and have serious implications." For his part, former U.S. diplomat Charles Freeman says that he regards Indian fears of a Chinese nuclear buildup as exaggerated, but worries that a fateful mismatch of perceptions could already be spurring both countries toward a genuine nuclear arms race.

The extent to which the two militaries are getting on each other's nerves became apparent in a bit of high-ranking trash-talking earlier this year. India's chief military science officer, V.K. Saraswat, declared that new advances in his country's ballistic missile technology meant that "as far as cities in China and Pakistan are concerned, there will be no target that we want to hit but can't hit." That prompted a retort from Rear Adm. Zhang Zhaozhong of China's National Defense University, who pointedly derided the "low level" of Indian technology. "In developing its military technology," Zhang said, "China has never taken India as a strategic rival, and none of its weapons were specifically designed to contain India." If that was meant to console anyone south of the border, it doesn't seem to have worked.

The best time to talk about an arms race, of course, is before it really gathers steam. Krishnaswami Subrahmanyam, former chairman of India's National Security Advisory Board, says that China and India should take their nuclear concerns to the Conference on Disarmament, a multilateral negotiating forum at the United Nations. But that, of course, would require the Chinese to acknowledge that there's a problem, which they might not be willing to do. Rajagopalan notes that India and Pakistan have managed to set up some effective confidence-building measures on their common border, but that India and China have yet to do the same (aside from a few stillborn efforts in the early 1990s). Instituting mechanisms to warn each other of pending missile tests might be a start. "I think there's a great need for that," she says. "Otherwise these kinds of tensions can spiral out of control." You can say that again.

Don't Even Think About It - By Christian Caryl | Foreign Policy

Unfair nuclear arm race when USA, Japan and many Western Nations are transferring Nuke technology to India via the "US-India Civilian Nuclear deal".
 
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There is no going back from a nuclear strike. If you have read Enders Saga you will know that you defeat an enemy, defeat him so he never gets up to fight you again. Obviously this is not true for India who have left Pakistan to do what they do best and have only minimum nuclear deterrence against China. But Chinese are a bit more logical. We have far, far more than 176 nuclear warheads and the means to make even more. I will admit that I believe this freely.

Sadly this is the reality....we lost a Platinum oppurtunity to settle this issue once and for all in our favour in 1971 and a silver oppurtunity to do so in 1999.

So as of now status quo will stay
 
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Sadly this is the reality....we lost a Platinum oppurtunity to settle this issue once and for all in our favour in 1971 and a silver oppurtunity to do so in 1999.

So as of now status quo will stay

What Platinum opportunity? the US carrier was there to ensure that the war did not escalate.
 
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Bangladesh is in the neighborhood. Fall out is a very big concern!
Very valid concern...
But keep it as a concern only. There is no such fall out happening. The US and USSR also had a codl war and they didnt nuke each other. what makes you think China and India will do so?....

You know the reality dont you.?
 
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What Platinum opportunity? the US carrier was there to ensure that the war did not escalate.
What was the US carrier there for?????...

War shouldnt escalate is it? and had it escalated, they would have attacked India, is it???...
I think the USSR nuclear subs were also there and they ensured that even the war escalated, US would have done nothing about it.
 
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Is that a joke or what!!!! Pakistan has more nukes? lol How many nuclear reactors you have? Powerful? Ever heard of thermonuclear weapon? India has huge research facilities and development compared to Pakistan in nuclear science. Just look at that.

India tested direct TN warhead during Shakti-2.

ShaktiBomb566c20.jpg

Yes true

but some corrections,

It was not a warhead, it was a device.
 
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What Platinum opportunity? the US carrier was there to ensure that the war did not escalate.
US carrier couldnt hv done anything as russian nuclear subs were there too...... part of the security agreement made my indira gandhi with russia before the war was that russia wud protect india from chinese and american agression..... and they did that admirably...:victory:
 
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The whole purpose of the US-INDO nuclear deal was both for civilian and defence purpose to counter the rise of the dragon.
 
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There is no nuclear arms race between China and India,a race means you added the nuc and I added too,but China will not add the number of nuks,only India added their nuks to catch up China~~~There will be no big war between nuk countries~~~

who says china will not add or have not added,if there is any word which is used as a collocation for secrecy that is PRC,India had only some 60 -70 warheads according to ur own all weather friend's keyboard warrior's,even less than Pakistan then when we entered in a race with china
 
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who says china will not add or have not added,if there is any word which is used as a collocation for secrecy that is PRC,India had only some 60 -70 warheads according to ur own all weather friend's keyboard warrior's,even less than Pakistan then when we entered in a race with china

If we don't make more warheads, we suck.

If we do make warheads, we'll be destabilizing the region.

:rofl:
 
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Well when the CIA said Pakistan has morenukes than India then I thought hmmmmmmmmmmmm ... Bur I sid hear you guys got 200 k n bombs with the help from isreal:yahoo:

Dude !!! well talking of CIA knowing abour ur arsenal strength is OK fair enof they might know ur nuclear capabilities and arsenal strength,as ur nuclear quest was right under the nose of CIA during CIA funded Afghan jihad.

But about the indian Arsenal:disagree:...Lolzz the Cia along with all the western intelligence agencies were humiliated by RAW .They didnot even know we were testing in 98..They didnot even know we made a bomb in 1974.So u think an agency which could not even know about our Test site and date would sit and count our nukes.All they can do is to calculate theoritically calculate and estimate our uranium/plutoniu stocks and then estimate the number of nukes..
 
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