November 30 rally: Imran invites nation to ‘change its destiny’!

[Dubious]

Even 3/couple is very high

Well we are very fertile people

 

[he-man]

Well we are very fertile people

Too bad

 

[Danish saleem]

chalo je, pir shoro?

 

[Dubious]

Too bad

No one is complaining except outsiders

 

[he-man]

No one is complaining except outsiders

Ignorant comment at best.

 

[Dubious]

Ignorant comment at best.

looser comment at his best

 

[he-man]

looser comment at his best

30 nov is coming

 

[Dubious]

30 nov is coming

good to know...now go sit on your eggs till it is here

 

[he-man]

good to know...now go sit on your eggs till it is here

I had other plans

 

[Fracker]

Ok...But I still say follow and compare to success stories and learn from the failed ones...not the other way round!

And i learned its not right time, i hate democrazy more then any thing, which keeps people dividing into different parties ethical groups, and the people like wali can say kalabagh dam or Pakistan, and get away with it. But its not righ time

The day it will be strong, Zardari will be in a normal jail not a VIP jail along with every other corrupt shit in the nation...or at least half of them

It happens when institutes are strong not weakened, and it can never happen if writ of state is challenged and called a norm thing.

You mean when SS was ALSO CM of Punjab? PPP were ruling and taking turns with Army??

Yes same time when Imran khan was laying eggs, and ppp was rulling, this era is better than that.

I have travelled in PIA since 1980 till last year (not continuously - just about 5-8 times in almost 30 years) and mind you PIA is far from anything praise worthy!!

Did you toke flight in 80s and 90s or now? There was time when it was up and when it was down, i used it alot, and i sense soon good time will be back. On time arraval is for the start.

I didnt say solar panels was in reach of poor! I called it useful things!

Most of the Pakistani importers bring it in cells and fix it here, to avoid tax. But still charge from customer for more profit. Government alone is not corrupt but we are as well, which is why Pakistani institution destabilty means less chances of syrvival.

And remember, if a real leader comes today, he will not blame everything on govrnment but will ask people to get good, follow law, our saviar will be from us not some hero type mentallity who thinks he is better than rest. He will not use hadith islam for his speaches or lecture government alone, he will show him self as example, and will quote hadiths to give lecture to everyone (not targetting one group alone), and if i see imran khan. He is not my leader but imposture who gonna even break Pakistan for his chair.

 

[Dubious]

And i learned its not right time, i hate democrazy more then any thing, which keeps people dividing into different parties ethical groups, and the people like wali can say kalabagh dam or Pakistan, and get away with it. But its not righ time

Who decides and when will the right time be? Every ruler seems to think so...Hence, does crimes and gets away coz its not the right time!

Well in all honesty we have MINOR ELITE RULING THE MAJOR POOR...guess what it happened in 15th century Europe till 19th century and now it still does but the effects are kind of diluted coz any big corruption is punished small corruption goes un attended but it doesnt deter the development of the state or society! In case of Pakistan we seem more in 15th century where the state and society either cant be developed or refuses to do so coz "its not the time" while the rest of the world has moved to 21st century!

It happens when institutes are strong not weakened, and it can never happen if writ of state is challenged and called a norm thing.

On the contrary it happens WHEN the doings of the state is challenged! Or questioned! Everyone questioned their "rulers" who tried to get away with everything!

Yes same time when Imran khan was laying eggs, and ppp was rulling, this era is better than that.

Define better...You mean with the fear of walking about not knowing which bastard would come and shoot you for something that may not even be your fault i.e. being born Christian or poor....or just happen to be in the wrong bus?

Did you toke flight in 80s and 90s or now? There was time when it was up and when it was down, i used it alot, and i sense soon good time will be back. On time arraval is for the start.

The word since in my sentence would have explained alot!

Firstly, world is not running on your senses...What you sense may not be a picture of what is happening
2nd you just said it isnt the time and now it is?

Most of the Pakistani importers bring it in cells and fix it here, to avoid tax.

Why shouldnt they? It is close to a necessity since govt cant help with electricity and instead of cutting taxes on the solar panel they cut it on imported cars (things they want to indulge on)

But still charge from customer for more profit. Government alone is not corrupt but we are as well, which is why Pakistani institution destabilty means less chances of syrvival.

Well, if you are paying taxes which keeps increasing and not even getting a basic that which you pay for ie. electricity, mobile balance....Seriously...how do you expect anyone to remain honest? Juicing people and oppressing them with shit and then expecting them not to react is asking for too much! If you cant fill your stomach with the already amount you are corrupting and to show you are doing something you further increase the tax (not to forget to mention that you as a leader and as an example dont pay tax) well I dont see how you can earn any right to point any fingers?!

If those who can afford are exempted from taxes (for infrastructure, civil govt and other uses) why should the middle class support both the rich and the poor (both categories ALSO use infrastructure and have civil jobs)??

And remember, if a real leader comes today, he will not blame everything on govrnment but will ask people to get good, follow law, our saviar will be from us not some hero type mentallity who thinks he is better than rest.

Firstly there is always a need for an example one who has everything yet is humble enough to follow the rules and not bend them for himself...If he (one of upper class) does all the things required (pays his tax and not evade them, not misuse power, follow the law...then when he does it no one has any right to say why should I when even the most supreme member of the parliament is doing all that which he should!

He will not use hadith islam for his speaches or lecture government alone, he will show him self as example, and will quote hadiths to give lecture to everyone (not targetting one group alone), and if i see imran khan. He is not my leader but imposture who gonna even break Pakistan for his chair.

Well then continue watching the injustice coz you can wait all your life I bet but there are many who want to see a change before they hit their death bed!

 

[Leader]

 

[Fracker]

Who decides and when will the right time be? Every ruler seems to think so...Hence, does crimes and gets away coz its not the right time!

Well in all honesty we have MINOR ELITE RULING THE MAJOR POOR...guess what it happened in 15th century Europe till 19th century and now it still does but the effects are kind of diluted coz any big corruption is punished small corruption goes un attended but it doesnt deter the development of the state or society! In case of Pakistan we seem more in 15th century where the state and society either cant be developed or refuses to do so coz "its not the time" while the rest of the world has moved to 21st century!

On the contrary it happens WHEN the doings of the state is challenged! Or questioned! Everyone questioned their "rulers" who tried to get away with everything!


Define better...You mean with the fear of walking about not knowing which bastard would come and shoot you for something that may not even be your fault i.e. being born Christian or poor....or just happen to be in the wrong bus?



The word since in my sentence would have explained alot!

Firstly, world is not running on your senses...What you sense may not be a picture of what is happening
2nd you just said it isnt the time and now it is?

Why shouldnt they? It is close to a necessity since govt cant help with electricity and instead of cutting taxes on the solar panel they cut it on imported cars (things they want to indulge on)

Well, if you are paying taxes which keeps increasing and not even getting a basic that which you pay for ie. electricity, mobile balance....Seriously...how do you expect anyone to remain honest? Juicing people and oppressing them with shit and then expecting them not to react is asking for too much! If you cant fill your stomach with the already amount you are corrupting and to show you are doing something you further increase the tax (not to forget to mention that you as a leader and as an example dont pay tax) well I dont see how you can earn any right to point any fingers?!

If those who can afford are exempted from taxes (for infrastructure, civil govt and other uses) why should the middle class support both the rich and the poor (both categories ALSO use infrastructure and have civil jobs)??
Firstly there is always a need for an example one who has everything yet is humble enough to follow the rules and not bend them for himself...If he (one of upper class) does all the things required (pays his tax and not evade them, not misuse power, follow the law...then when he does it no one has any right to say why should I when even the most supreme member of the parliament is doing all that which he should!

Well then continue watching the injustice coz you can wait all your life I bet but there are many who want to see a change before they hit their death bed!

I explain almost each and every thing, why it is not right time. Why i sense a better time ahead, and why Imran is not a savior but imposture, a thug looking for a chance. And then i get your response.. Seriously, you want me to run in circle, or accept the thing which i answer in my previous post, Again?


Not right, since It is not... 40,50 years history says that, our closets examples says that no it is not the right time, system has to move on to improve, loss it now you will loss all... and if Imran get success now, mark my words there will not be a thing to safe.

Why I sense better time ahead, since things are improve, not because of this government, not because of good governance, BUT, system which will leach out the bads out.. 65 years this system has been messed around (sometimes for Marshall law, some times for technocracy, sometimes noora kushti) so we are now what we planted while following the thuggery to detail system again, n again, n again... for the hopes of improvements.

And no Imran is not a leader, No he is not, to lead our future, since his morality, his power hungery desires, his violent approach towards everything, his visions, his approach, his everything things says... we will fall ... Behind him.

It's pretty useless to even have a discussion, when both parties are arguing rather then listen.. Over and out.

 

[SBD-3]

 

[Dubious]

I explain almost each and every thing, why it is not right time. Why i sense a better time ahead, and why Imran is not a savior but imposture, a thug looking for a chance. And then i get your response.. Seriously, you want me to run in circle, or accept the thing which i answer in my previous post, Again? .

Dude I am asking questions BASED on your answers.. Obviously your "explanation" raised questions and hence my questions...

Not right, since It is not... 40,50 years history says that, our closets examples says that no it is not the right time, system has to move on to improve, loss it now you will loss all... and if Imran get success now, mark my words there will not be a thing to safe.

Since it is not is not an answer its just like the back alley Mullah saying dont ask questions such is such coz I said so and look how much shit that attitude got us into!

By answering vaguely like since it is not and closest examples will obviously arise questions like those I asked!

2ndly, How will the system "improve" when those who it benefits (corrupted people) are sustaining it and upholding it?!

Mark MY WORDS! It wont magically improve with time under such people!

Why I sense better time ahead, since things are improve, not because of this government, not because of good governance, BUT, system which will leach out the bads out.. 65 years this system has been messed around (sometimes for Marshall law, some times for technocracy, sometimes noora kushti) so we are now what we planted while following the thuggery to detail system again, n again, n again... for the hopes of improvements.

As far as I know system isnt a self sustained thing that it will leach out the bads! And do you think whenever WE DIDNT have marshall law what was the law then? Was it also not "elected" oh wait they call elected things sitting on a throne as Democracy...SO basically, we have seen years of democracy and that so far hasnt done much...Care to guess why? Tub bhi Bhutto zinda tha aaj bhi hai attitude.....Family politics isnt leading us anywhere!

And why are you soo sure those who have been taking turns PPP and PMLN will suddenly wake up in 2016 and say lets change bohot khaliyea?!

What are you 10 yrs old? So before pointing at army for ITS FAULT produce ONE god forsakent asshole who can at least make Pakistan progress without benefiting HIMSELF 10x more than Pakistan!

And no Imran is not a leader, No he is not, to lead our future, since his morality, his power hungery desires, his violent approach towards everything, his visions, his approach, his everything things says... we will fall ... Behind him.

1stly, your future so far is in Oman - You arent suffering so how can you voice on behalf of those withstanding the crap?
2ndly, What power hungry? Do you mean challenging the corrupt with evidence in court is violent? ....challenging the system which already showed how many polls were rigged is power hungry/ violent??

First get a proper definition of morality! Coz as far as I can see NS has NO shame! No morality when his bro ordered for the ruthless killings people in Lahore! And while wasting money for metro and roads, they forget to put in proper material so that we dont become Venice once a yr!

3rdly, Fine not Imran...now bring forwarn someone "who can at least make Pakistan progress without benefiting HIMSELF 10x more than Pakistan!"

It's pretty useless to even have a discussion, when both parties are arguing rather then listen.. Over and out.

Listening? When did you hear the plight of a common Pakistani?

The plight of the minorities?

The plight of the drowned?

The plight of the families of those murdered in Lahore?

Are you listening? Have you heard? I could go on what you are avoiding ...I could ignore all those and side NS too...my family has no ties to any political shit from as far as the eye can see! THAT is when I can be said I am NOT LISTENING!