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Unlike you I never pretended to be an expert. I am an engineer with an interest in Pakistan's armed forces and I do not try to pass myself off as an expert. Like most here I come to learn. As for 'stolen' copy paste, show me one post of mine that was so. Just the fact that you can say this about two long-time posters on this forum says a lot about who you are.
When you are being un-civil, you would be taken to task. I also know that you never take any criticism seriously and keep repeating same stories over and over and over again. So, I used some choice words for you just so that younger posters may know not to emulate your manners.
Again, this is a PAF Aircraft crashes thread, not Mastan-Khan-goes-berserk thread. Keep it civil please.
Contrary to reports by some sources, the PAF aircraft involved in the crash was a single seat F-7PG serial # 01-808 from No.17 Sqn.
Pilots was Flt Lt Bilal who safely bailed out.
Ever heard of the man who had every window replaced in the house only to realise afterwards that the crack was actually in his reading glasses....I was once in Pakistan and Islamabad turned into Mars for about 15 minutes, no doubt Samungli surrounded by desserts also faces such show of nature.Hi,
This thing looks filthy---full of dirt---. Is that the new radar absorbant scheme.
Sir for a change we have to admit where PAf is wrong instead of trying to cover up weakness bad decisions have been made by PAf from last 15 years costing us time and presious life and making us weak in front of our enemy ....they didn't like j10 didn't had the balls to negotiate a proper deal with France for rafale and what's the end result you end up with nothing ....Although there shouldn't be any excuse for PAF's crashes but at the same time it's unfair to compare with say IAF.
Firstly majority of IAF's front line strength consists of twin engine jets, which gives you that extra safety besides, unlike the PAF, which has been involved in combat missions for a decade, the IAF hasn't fired in anger since the Kargil conflict....the PAF operations, albeit of low intensity still translates into extra sorties than peacetime flying.
What is the general perception when migs crash in pakistan ? Here in india, we laugh when we loose migs(if pilots are safe). Atleast new will replace that old junk.
@MastanKhan PAF has still managed well.
AVM S Nawaz and Abdul Razaq (i do'nt know how many here know them!) they are considered the patriarchs behind local fighter jet development program. Right men at the right time. We have capable leadership but the time is ripe for transparency in professional organisations.
What is the general perception when migs crash in pakistan ? Here in india, we laugh when we loose migs(if pilots are safe). Atleast new will replace that old junk.
Wow we've another expert defending baboon league. How naive you're , I can get that by the fact that you support Noora. What have you done? A PHD degree and some 30 years experience in the defense ministry as well as industry?
The Chinese did their fair done of dusting when they sold the A-5s to PAF. PAF has had their share of mistakes, but that doesn't make them a terrible organisation as a whole. There is always room for improvement, BUT criticism is something that must be accepted in areas where they remain lax.Hi,
Thank you for your post.
Indeed if it was not for the unsung heroes---Paf was done and dusted. The unsung heroes here are the chinese.
The chinese made sure that the program would not go down the drain---even though the Paf did its best that it did---( the French avionics scenario )---the size of the aircraft---a dedicated IRST less aircraft---a very low profile aircraft ( ground clearance )---a lack of a dual seater from the begining---.
Any how---
You did not get the point- regardless of access or not access, common people in Pakistan have a tendency to consider themselves expert on a subject after watching on youtube video; and while windy here is right at being surprised as he follows very closely and knows stuff - many would come up with stupid questions regarding it.
Oh bhai, we aren't referring to windy or you- but rather the "Pakistan must buy 200 su-35" varietyhttps://defence.pk/pdf/threads/an-unsung-hero.504731/
Now see this link,it was posted by ur knowledgeable windy and I believed this stuff to be true and couple of days ago i talked about this pilot in this same thread and @Knuckles quoted me wrong and told me MHK Dotani wasnt even operational on any aircraft after he lost his leg and I believe @Knuckles to be the muost authentiic guy here..and this is not the only case,i hv seen windy few more times posting false/unconfirmed content.
I am not saying i know more than windy or he doesnt know stuff etc etc i am just saying anyone can make mistakes and cant know everything...I respect all seniors here including windy so dont take me wrong.
PEACE..!!!
Hi,
That is not a very intelligent answer---.
Targeting muslim nations as terrs---is a tactical and strategic game plan---it is meant to sabotage their integrity and identity---.
But looking at a business---a corporation---and organization and getting a reflection back has nothing to do with what you stated---seems like you are too young to understand that difference---and do not have a very good comprehension and grasp of the issue at hand.
My recommendations would be to post your age and profession so that I can better understand where you are coming from and answer accordingly---.
No,we werent discussing this..anyways we cant buy SU35s they are too costly for us..including the operational costsOh bhai, we aren't referring to windy or you- but rather the "Pakistan must buy 200 su-35" variety
Dude, although i have rich military background but none of my relatives served in the PAF, however i have a few contacts in the PAF and much of the material like the article on A/C Dotani, i receive from various other sources and simply share it here without too much nit picking. I never ever claimed to be the knowledgeable one and many times i stood corrected....hell i'm not here to win any medals, i take interest in the PAF thus follow it.https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/an-unsung-hero.504731/
Now see this link,it was posted by ur knowledgeable windy and I believed this stuff to be true and couple of days ago i talked about this pilot in this same thread and @Knuckles quoted me wrong and told me MHK Dotani wasnt even operational on any aircraft after he lost his leg and I believe @Knuckles to be the muost authentiic guy here..and this is not the only case,i hv seen windy few more times posting false/unconfirmed content.
I am not saying i know more than windy or he doesnt know stuff etc etc i am just saying anyone can make mistakes and cant know everything...I respect all seniors here including windy so dont take me wrong.
PEACE..!!!
Chill out bro..i never said everything u post is wrong and i respect ur interest in the AF.Dude, although i have rich military background but none of my relatives served in the PAF, however i have a few contacts in the PAF and much of the material like the article on A/C Dotani, i receive from various other sources and simply share it here without too much nit picking. I never ever claimed to be the knowledgeable one and many times i stood corrected....hell i'm not here to win any medals, i take interest in the PAF thus follow it.
As for MK Dotani Sahib, i have learned that after his accident he was even patrolling the Western border when former US President as an envoy, was visiting the area after soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
And that is why they refuses to Induct JFT and because of that Pakistan getting JFT on higher prices even what they planing to sell.The chinese made sure that the program would not go down the drain-