Notify PAF Aircraft Crashes

[Beethoven]

The worrying point was the crash site, Mastung which falls in the vicinity of Quetta is still infested with BLA rats. The good thing is we got our hands on the flight lieutenant before any potential damage

 

[gau8av]

Civilian

and you guys can just shoot off e-mails with smileys to service chiefs and they respond ?

wow

 

[Preacher]

and you guys can just shoot off e-mails with smileys to service chiefs and they respond ?

wow

he is my uncle.

 

[gau8av]

he is my uncle.

aah, that explains it.

 

[Preacher]

aah, that explains it.

Asking such question in PDF doesn't makes sense at all

 

[Muhammad Omar]

In next 5 years other than thunders there will b a new aircraft showing off soon may b J-10 but not sure. F-7PG will not lose their utility, Still China uses it's j-7. If we are gona finish off F-7 fleet completely what's gonna do the interception job for us, It is easy to say but this isn't gona happen that soon. Today PAF is in need of jet's, as a member said earlier in 13 years we only lost 6-7 of them 2 in a air collision this is not a machine error so, left with 4-5 crashes,..!! look at the rate at which mirages are crashing are the replaced till yet ?????? PAF needs jets today , jet's which are flying well and don't have high crash ratio will not b retired that soon as PAF is aiming to increase number of jet's in its fleet, In the last mirage crash the most newest mirage of PAF crashed our F-16s crashed shall we retire our F-16's too ??? i mean they are older than F-7PPG they also crashed shall we retire them too ???? what will be left if we retire F-7PG too just F-17 and thunder. PAF is not gona retire PG in 5 years it will serve longer

i know it'll be J-10b for sure

 

[TOPGUN]

Thank GOD pilot is safe ... machine can be replaced .

 

[DMP]

i know it'll be J-10b for sure

yeah it will b J-10b but in next 5 years there could b a slight chance of getting a trainer if we are left with some money after buying J-10b

 

[aliyusuf]

@DMP @Muhammad Omar

Gentlemen, we can only speculate at this point. What makes you so sure?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

F-7 trainer

no loss of life

 

[DMP]

@DMP @Muhammad Omar

Gentlemen, we can only speculate at this point. What makes you so sure?

but by observing the conditions we can predict whats gonna happen as PAF is showing interest in Yak-130, KAIs machine and L-15 so this indicates that a advance trainer is coming soon as if we are gonna retire mirages and f-7s and after some time F-7PGs too so what we are left with ?????? F-16 and Jf-17 so what after K-8p direct thunder then F-16 who's gonna do the interception job ?????? a trainer will which could be converted to light attack jet will fill the gap ....!!!!!!!!! steps will gonna b something like this you go to Mushshak then probably super mushshak then to t-37 then K-8 in fighter conventional after K-8P the more advanced trainer which might come soon then on thunder and J-10b or F-16 after it.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

@DMP @Muhammad Omar

Gentlemen, we can only speculate at this point. What makes you so sure?

our 40 F-16 are 3 decades old except for few... F-7 are falling from the sky and needs to be retire and Mirage more then 4 decade old what do we have in our inventory? JF-17 and few F-16? J-31 is not coming till decade and what do you think Pakistan will buy J-31 in 100's of numbers? i don't think so there will be only 80 J-31 and 150-200 JF-17 our f-16 need to be replaced after a few years what will we have to counter India?


India have

Su-30 MKI
Mirage 2000
MiG 29
Jaguar
MiG-27
Harpy
Tejas
even sooner or later will get Rafales too

Pakistan have

F-16 number 99 40 are old whic we got in 1983
JF-17.... 53
F-7 Decades old need to be retired number 146
Mirage III need to retires ASAP number 75

 

[aliyusuf]

but by observing the conditions we can predict whats gonna happen as PAF is showing interest in Yak-130, KAIs machine and L-15 so this indicates that a advance trainer is coming soon as if we are gonna retire mirages and f-7s and after some time F-7PGs too so what we are left with ?????? F-16 and Jf-17 so what after K-8p direct thunder then F-16 who's gonna do the interception job ?????? a trainer will which could be converted to light attack jet will fill the gap ....!!!!!!!!! steps will gonna b something like this you go to Mushshak then probably super mushshak then to t-37 then K-8 in fighter conventional after K-8P the more advanced trainer which might come soon then on thunder and J-10b or F-16 after it.

That is all fine ... but how does it specifically point towards the acquisition of J-10B? The situation you are portraying can be also be handled by expanding JF-17 production infrastructure and speeding up production (if situation becomes that bad) ... while also keeping an eye out for available used F-16s. Don't get me wrong, I am all in favor of acquiring the J-10B/FC-20 ... but that would depend on a significant escalation over the PAF's top brass's current threat perceptions and the required funds availability.

All we can do for now is to speculate, hope for the best ... and wait to see how things turn out.

 

[Mr.WetPants]

F7PG,Mirage are flying coffins. Better retire them asap. Pilots life are more precious than a metal junk.
Good to know Pilot is safe.

Retire em?With Su-35's?

Shukar Alhamdulillah the pilot is safe.. PAF need to replace F-7's ASAP and even Mirages....

Dude, that costs ''money'' alot of it.

 

[aliyusuf]

our 40 F-16 are 3 decades old except for few... F-7 are falling from the sky and needs to be retire and Mirage more then 4 decade old what do we have in our inventory? JF-17 and few F-16? J-31 is not coming till decade and what do you think Pakistan will buy J-31 in 100's of numbers? i don't think so there will be only 80 J-31 and 150-200 JF-17 our f-16 need to be replaced after a few years what will we have to counter India?


India have

Su-30 MKI
Mirage 2000
MiG 29
Jaguar
MiG-27
Harpy
Tejas
even sooner or later will get Rafales too

Pakistan have

F-16 number 99 40 are old whic we got in 1983
JF-17.... 53
F-7 Decades old need to be retired number 146
Mirage III need to retires ASAP number 75

True. But be mentally prepared that the PAF will be a smaller but more powerful air force in the coming years. The modernization via replacements thru JF-17 or used F-16s or (maybe) J-10B or whatever will not be on a 1-to-1 basis to the older Mirages and F-7s. Capability and effectiveness wise the PAF will progress by leaps and bounds but it will be through the formation of a leaner and meaner fleet. That is the only way we can progress safely and steadily in the face of consistently increasing costs of modern weapons. Perhaps when our economy doubles or even triples the current size ... then maybe we can pick and choose in required quantity.