Notify PAF Aircraft Crashes

[MastanKhan]

X_MAN

I don't understand why two out of three pilots could not bail out of their respective aircrafts----if that was the case then whatever went wrong was extremely drastic in nature and sudden in occurance. An engine flameout would give enough time for the pilot to bail out.

 

[x_man]

You are right...Wing Cdr is the senior most rank where a pilot is actively flying, after that its 95% desk job. Why these two pilots (Akram and Azhar) did not eject in time....is a million dollar question. There could be numerous reasons.... what actually happened will be found by accident investigation board but I will just give you few situations where pilots did not survive particularly after an engine problem and it could be any one or more reasons in case of Akram and Azhar :

**Being at low level, the onset of engine failure was so sudden that they did not get the time to eject

**They might be too engrossed in the cockpit to deal with the emergency that they lost situational awareness for the moment and hit the ground.

**They ejected, but a little too late and the seat-man separation did not take place and they came down with the seat.

**They ejected well in time, but the parachute did not open.

**In panic they took wrong actions that led to increase the severity of problem and could not get out of the problem and went down with the aircraft.

**Loss of flight controls due to fire at low level.

**Pilot pulled the ejection handle but the seat did not eject (seat failure).

**Toxic fumes or smoke from engine if enters cockpit thru air conditioning system can lead to incapacitation.

A pilot never wants to abandon his aircraft unless an extreme situation demands so. So many pilots have gone down with the crippled aircraft just because they thought that they might be able to land it back. Above are just few reasons for pilots not surviving after engine problem, there can be so many more. I am not making any conclusive judgements in case of last two crashes, but definitely it could be any one or more of the above reasons.

 

[fatman17]

is it true that PAF has decided to replace the MB-0-0 seats with a chinese version? due to cost reasons.

 

[fatman17]

jan 22 - Pakistan AF/Academy - T-37C:

crashed in the grounds of the GIK institute of engg, sciences & tech in the village of topi, swabi district, NWFP. 62m (100km) from islamabad, after a technical malfunction caused an in-flight fire.the pilot, P/O Jehanzeb was killed.

 

[solid snake]

Is there an ejection seat in the T-37?

 

[ejaz007]

PAF mirage falls near Rajanpur
Updated at: 1355 PST, Tuesday, March 18, 2008

RAJANPUR: A fighter jet of Pakistan Air Force fell 22 kilometers from Rajanpur on Tuesday morning.

The Pilot of the ill fated escaped unhurt.

The spokesman of PAF said that the accident apparently occurred due to some technical glitch; however, Air Headquarters have given orders to a board for the investigation into the incident.

PAF jet fighter plane Mirage was on routine training flight when the accident happened.

PAF mirage falls near Rajanpur

 

[baqai]

You are right...Wing Cdr is the senior most rank where a pilot is actively flying, after that its 95% desk job. Why these two pilots (Akram and Azhar) did not eject in time....is a million dollar question. There could be numerous reasons.... what actually happened will be found by accident investigation board but I will just give you few situations where pilots did not survive particularly after an engine problem and it could be any one or more reasons in case of Akram and Azhar :

**Being at low level, the onset of engine failure was so sudden that they did not get the time to eject

**They might be too engrossed in the cockpit to deal with the emergency that they lost situational awareness for the moment and hit the ground.

**They ejected, but a little too late and the seat-man separation did not take place and they came down with the seat.

**They ejected well in time, but the parachute did not open.

**In panic they took wrong actions that led to increase the severity of problem and could not get out of the problem and went down with the aircraft.

**Loss of flight controls due to fire at low level.

**Pilot pulled the ejection handle but the seat did not eject (seat failure).

**Toxic fumes or smoke from engine if enters cockpit thru air conditioning system can lead to incapacitation.

A pilot never wants to abandon his aircraft unless an extreme situation demands so. So many pilots have gone down with the crippled aircraft just because they thought that they might be able to land it back. Above are just few reasons for pilots not surviving after engine problem, there can be so many more. I am not making any conclusive judgements in case of last two crashes, but definitely it could be any one or more of the above reasons.

i would like to add one more possibility to your list,

maybe they were trying to divert the aircraft to a less populated area and it was too late for them to eject

 

[fatman17]

Feb-6-08: Pakistan Army: Bell 412EP
took off from wana on a routine recce mission and suffered a technical malfunction shortly afterwads. crashed at 1440hrs near the village of Tanai in S/Waziristan, NWFP. both crew and six passengers were killed including several high ranking personnel.

Feb-08-08: PAF: Un-identified UAV
crashed in a open area on the outskirts of Peshtakara, peshawar. no injuries were reported on the ground. speculation that it was a US Predator UAV were unfounded.

Feb-15-08: PAF / Combat Commanders School: Mirage 111EA
crashed at about 1800hrs following a technical fault during a routine training mission near shaheenabad, eastern punjab. about 30 kms southeast of its base at sargodha/mushaf. The pilot MA Osmani, did not have time to eject and was killed in the crash.

 

[air marshal]

PAF Fighter plane Crashes, Pilot ejects safely
April 17, 2008

F-7 fighter aircraft crashed after 10 minutes flight, while on routine mission crashed however, the pilot remained safe said PAF Spokesman. The accident happened around 9:43PM and crash site is 15Km away from Faisalabad Airport while its pilot ejected safely. No damage of life on the ground has been reported.

Apparently the PAF F-7 jet fighter came down in a village farm. Fire brigade vehicles reached the crash site and have extinguished burning wreckage of the aircraft. Police, CAA and PAF officials also reached the spot to begin recovering wreckage.

A board of inquiry has been ordered to probe the crash, which was apparently caused by a technical fault, he said.

Link: PAF Falcons - News Section

 

[fatman17]

PAF Fighter plane Crashes, Pilot ejects safely
April 17, 2008

F-7 fighter aircraft crashed after 10 minutes flight, while on routine mission crashed however, the pilot remained safe said PAF Spokesman. The accident happened around 9:43PM and crash site is 15Km away from Faisalabad Airport while its pilot ejected safely. No damage of life on the ground has been reported.

Apparently the PAF F-7 jet fighter came down in a village farm. Fire brigade vehicles reached the crash site and have extinguished burning wreckage of the aircraft. Police, CAA and PAF officials also reached the spot to begin recovering wreckage.

A board of inquiry has been ordered to probe the crash, which was apparently caused by a technical fault, he said.

Link: PAF Falcons - News Section

i think these are the earlier model F-7 Airguards/Skybolts. thank God the pilot is safe.

 

[MastanKhan]

Fatman,

Welcome to the think tank. MK

 

[fatman17]

Fatman,

Welcome to the think tank. MK

MK
Thanks - its an Honor.

 

[fatman17]

PAF F-7 crashes during training exercise

Gareth Jennings JDW Jane's Aviation Reporter - London

A Pakistan Air Force (PAF) CAC F-7 combat aircraft crashed during a routine training mission in the Punjab region of the country on 17 April.

Local media has reported that the aircraft came down approximately 40 km west of the city of Faisalabad.

The pilot of the single-seat aircraft ejected safely. The cause of the accident is not yet known although preliminary reports suggest that a technical malfunction may be to blame. The PAF has launched an investigation.

The PAF currently operates approximately 165 F-7 aircraft, which have been in service since 1988.

On 8 April the pilot of a Bangladesh Air Force CAC F-7 was killed when his aircraft crashed approximately 100 km north of the capital, Dhaka. On 15 December 2007 a PAF F-7 crashed during a training exercise in the Punjab, although on that occasion the pilot ejected safely.

 

[solid snake]

F-7s are crashing left right and center. Time to bring in the Thunder, quickly.

 

[ejaz007]

PAF training jet crashes near Mardan
Updated at: 1355 PST, Wednesday, June 11, 2008

PESHAWAR: A training jet of Pakistan Air Force (PAF) crashed near Mardan.

PAF training jet crashes near Mardan

The plane in question is thought to be a T-37.