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Not One Penny’ of Aid for Pakistan Until Asia Bibi Is Freed – Rand Paul

Rand Paul is a little Indian whore. That is old news.

It is funny how desperate the Americans are. Almost begging Pakistan to take their aid.
 
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"Denying the actual root cause wont let the problem disappear."
Follow ur own advice then...and stop blaming publicity of this case as the problem. The fault lies with the idiots within...the fault lies with the government being unable to do anything. This is not idealism...I'm not afraid to raise my voice when I see something wrong happening. Raising ur voice against wrongdoings isn't idealism...it's the duty of any loyal Pakistani citizen who wants to see a better Pakistan. The only reason why these mullah groups are so boldened is bcuz there's no resistance. Lots of ppl see that they are ignoring law and order, calling for violent protests...and yet they remain silent bystanders.

The relentless thrusts by the west u mention...again that's only bcuz of the ppl within who have turned the country into a joke. The mir jafars and the mir sadiqs of our nation who are damaging the country in every capacity they can. Be it Zardari, looting the country...or Khadim Hussein Rizvi giving Islam/Muslims/Pakistani ppl a bad name. The only solution is to end their popularity by naming and shaming them...so they don't have the power nor the capacity to continue doing what they are doing.

P.S. I'm not defending Salman Taseer...I wasn't a big fan of him. Just being objective.

Nice words but they still don't deny the damage that has been done to Pakistan's International repute. It is idealism when you expect that a sizeable amount of Pakistan's religious conservatives will disappear just because you aren't on a same page with them. The government has to exercise caution when dealing with raging mobs, specifically over something that can conveniently be exploited against the state.

As for your stubborn denial of unnecessary publicity given to Asia's case, I again will point towards Rimsha Massih case. That girl is in Canada along with her family and no one cares. So why is Asia's case so different? You may not think it was media hype stirred by a man seeking personal glory at the expense of the state, then that is your opinion and I rightfully disagree.

This is an idealist approach when you talk about fanciful dreams of what is "politically right" and ignore the basic principles of Realpolitiks, which in effect are the actual drivers of global affairs. You think the world cares about the numbers of people killed In Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya & Syria, all as a consequence of US global hegemonic designs?

I have been saying all along and will say again; Everything that harms the interest of the state should be sidelined, regardless the International accolades they bring to a few selected individuals.

P.S. I hate those ignorant, so-called Islamists as much as you, but I equally hate all those, who compromise the integrity of my country.
 
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Nice words but they still don't deny the damage that has been done to Pakistan's International repute. It is idealism when you expect that a sizeable amount of Pakistan's religious conservatives will disappear just because you aren't on a same page with them.
I'm not expecting them to disappear...but to decentralize them. If government had taken action and served notices to the leaders organizing such protests...stating that since they are challenging the Supreme Court's verdict they must provide proof/evidence to show that Supreme Court's decision is wrong OR back down from calling for protests and publicly announce that the Supreme Court's decision is right. If they choose neither of these options and continue with their protests then they will be going against law and order and will be charged with being a public menace(which may include some jail time or fines or both...but the most important part of the punishment should be that they will be barred from holding any political office).

Had the government served this notice...these mullahs who are only doing this for their own political gains would've switched sides faster than a speeding bullet.
The government has to exercise caution when dealing with raging mobs, specifically over something that can conveniently be exploited against the state.
There is a careful balance the government must keep when dealing with raging mobs...if the gov uses unnecessary force then it can backfire leading to bigger and angrier raging mobs and giving them public sympathy while painting the gov as an oppresser. However on the other end too...if the gov does nothing and yields to the mobs demand, it looks weak and this also emboldens the mob(and its leaders) to continue further...to have their way every time something happens that they don't like. The government chose that second option, which is unfortunate.
As for your stubborn denial of unnecessary publicity given to Asia's case, I again will point towards Rimsha Massih case. That girl is in Canada along with her family and no one cares. So why is Asia's case so different? You may not think it was media hype stirred by a man seeking personal glory at the expense of the state, then that is your opinion and I rightfully disagree.
Again I don't care about Salman Taseer. What surprises me is that u don't see that Khadim Hussein Rizvi(and other mullahs with him) are doing the exact same thing as Salman Taseer did...just on the other end of the spectrum. They are also creating media hype seeking personal glory and political support. They don't actually care about Islam or the Prophet.

If Khadim Hussein Rizvi actually cared about our Prophet and Islam...he wouldn't use the abusive and vulgar language while following the sunnat of the Prophet. The whole beard and no mustache, black turban, etc...these come with a huge responsibility...and what he does with that is extremely disrespectful. Clearly he is only interested in seeking personal glory and political support even with that look.

Unlike u I don't care about what Salman Taseer did bcuz it was in the past...nothing can be done about it now. Even if someone tried...it wouldn't work. Ppl tend to glorify the dead...especially him bcuz he was shot...u try undo his work and ppl will glorify him further saying he died for his cause. However these protests for Asia's case...and ppl like Khadim Hussein Rizvi...they are here and now. They can be stopped...their narrative can be controlled/stopped.
This is an idealist approach when you talk about fanciful dreams of what is "politically right" and ignore the basic principles of Realpolitiks, which in effect are the actual drivers of global affairs. You think the world cares about the numbers of people killed In Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya & Syria, all as a consequence of US global hegemonic designs?
Again it escapes me how everything u r trying to apply to my argument...u don't see how much it applies to urs. U wanna talk about Realpolitik...then it was even a bigger failure on part of the government to let these protests go on and yield to their demands. The government should've put a stop to it for two reasons...that are very much based on realism rather than idealism
1) In the real world, Pakistan already has a bad name...thanks to the WoT and concerted effort by other countries to make Pakistan's name synonymous to terrorism. In light of this...should the government have allowed the image to deteriorate further? No, it only gives the enemies more a chance to point fingers at us, discredit us. It is essentially giving more power to ur enemies at the world stage.

U wanna know why no one cares about all the ppl who died in Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Syria, etc? Bcuz US controls the narrative at the world stage. This makes reason 1 above all the more important especially in today's world...where a nation's image MATTERS.

2) The second reason is simple and obvious...it is in the government's own interest to hold power and maintain law and order. A government that can be brought to its knees by a usurper is a weak government. For its own interest, the gov should've taken action to delegitimize this movement and break it up. Do u recall the Lal Masjid saga? This is why this reason 2 is important.

If u think those two reasons above are "idealistic" then there's no argument to be had. It means u and I clearly have different definitions of idealism.
I have been saying all along and will say again; Everything that harms the interest of the state should be sidelined, regardless the International accolades they bring to a few selected individuals.
For the third time in ur argument...u don't see how what u r trying to apply to me...applies more to u.
Yes everything that harms the state should be sidelined...ppl like Khadim Hussein Rizvi, their protests, their narrative...all of this should be sidelined. Who can sideline them? The government should have...but they failed.

I recommend before u reply to me...analyze how ur argument and reasoning applies to what u r saying...u might find that we r in somewhat of an agreement when it comes to sidelining everything that harms the interest of the state and ppl like Khadim Hussein Rizvi seeking personal glory and political support much like Salman Taseer.
P.S. I hate those ignorant, so-called Islamists as much as you, but I equally hate all those, who compromise the integrity of my country.
The so-called Islamists such as Khadim Hussein Rizvi ARE the ones compromising the integrity of Pakistan.
 
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I'm not expecting them to disappear...but to decentralize them. If government had taken action and served notices to the leaders organizing such protests...stating that since they are challenging the Supreme Court's verdict they must provide proof/evidence to show that Supreme Court's decision is wrong OR back down from calling for protests and publicly announce that the Supreme Court's decision is right. If they choose neither of these options and continue with their protests then they will be going against law and order and will be charged with being a public menace(which may include some jail time or fines or both...but the most important part of the punishment should be that they will be barred from holding any political office).
Had the government served this notice...these mullahs who are only doing this for their own political gains would've switched sides faster than a speeding bullet.
There is a careful balance the government must keep when dealing with raging mobs...if the gov uses unnecessary force then it can backfire leading to bigger and angrier raging mobs and giving them public sympathy while painting the gov as an oppresser. However on the other end too...if the gov does nothing and yields to the mobs demand, it looks weak and this also emboldens the mob(and its leaders) to continue further...to have their way every time something happens that they don't like. The government chose that second option, which is unfortunate.
I don't see how any one can disagree with that, but this isn't what the OP is about. Pakistan is being coerced into doing something that is Pakistan's internal matter.
Again I don't care about Salman Taseer. What surprises me is that u don't see that Khadim Hussein Rizvi(and other mullahs with him) are doing the exact same thing as Salman Taseer did...just on the other end of the spectrum. They are also creating media hype seeking personal glory and political support. They don't actually care about Islam or the Prophet.
If Khadim Hussein Rizvi actually cared about our Prophet and Islam...he wouldn't use the abusive and vulgar language while following the sunnat of the Prophet. The whole beard and no mustache, black turban, etc...these come with a huge responsibility...and what he does with that is extremely disrespectful. Clarly he is only interested in seeking personal glory and political support even with that look.
For me the likes of ST and KH are just alike, they both have brought bad name to the country, but you have your bias and have a hard time accepting that.
Unlike u I don't care about what Salman Taseer did bcuz it was in the past...nothing can be done about it now. Even if someone tried...it wouldn't work. Ppl tend to glorify the dead...especially him bcuz he was shot...u try undo his work and ppl will glorify him further saying he died for his cause. However these protests for Asia's case...and ppl like Khadim Hussein Rizvi...they are here and now. They can be stopped...their narrative can be controlled/stopped.
Unlike you I care about idiots like ST because what he did may be history to you, but its still haunting Pakistan, (Have a look at the OP) and as a loyal patriot it's my responsibility to discourage future wanna-be's like him.
Again it escapes me how everything u r trying to apply to my argument...u don't see how much it applies to urs. U wanna talk about Realpolitik...then it was even a bigger failure on part of the government to let these protests go on and yield to their demands. The government should've put a stop to it for two reasons...that are very much based on realism rather than idealism
1) In the real world, Pakistan already has a bad name...thanks to the WoT and concerted effort by other countries to make Pakistan's name synonymous to terrorism. In light of this...should the government have allowed the image to deteriorate further? No, it only gives the enemies more a chance to point fingers at us, discredit us. It is essentially giving more power to ur enemies at the world stage.
In the real world, if Pakistan has a bad name, do you think you are going to improve it by highlighting the misdemeanour's in state affairs? It's not the government that is staining the image of the state, it's the so-called champions of human rights that are performing that job conspicuously. Here's another ST, who hides behind "I am only helping the innocent"
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U wanna know why no one cares about all the ppl who died in Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Syria, etc? Bcuz US controls the narrative at the world stage. This makes reason 1 above all the more important especially in today's world...where a nation's image MATTERS.
US may control the narrative at world stage, but we can't let a few individuals control the narrative for Pakistan. Be it ST or KH.



For the third time in ur argument...u don't see how what u r trying to apply to me...applies more to u.
Yes everything that harms the state should be sidelined...ppl like Khadim Hussein Rizvi, their protests, their narrative...all of this should be sidelined. Who can sideline them? The government should have...but they failed.
I recommend before u reply to me...analyze how ur argument and reasoning applies to what u r saying...u might find that we r in somewhat of an agreement when it comes to sidelining everything that harms the interest of the state and ppl like Khadim Hussein Rizvi seeking personal glory and political support much like Salman Taseer.
The so-called Islamists such as Khadim Hussein Rizvi ARE the ones compromising the integrity of Pakistan.
I never said protests should be sidelined, because that is a misunderstanding you have concocted on your own as a diversion from topic. If people like ST had not brought this issue up, then may be Asia would already be in Canada and NO one would even know, if she ever even existed just like Rimsha Masih.

A few posts back this is what you said.
I'm not afraid to raise my voice when I see something wrong happening. Raising ur voice against wrongdoings isn't idealism...it's the duty of any loyal Pakistani citizen who wants to see a better Pakistan.
and here lies the fallacy of your understanding, which I rightfully termed Idealistic and pointed your attention towards the realist nature of global order. You know why? Because If it brings bad omen for your country, then YES, you cannot raise your voice, especially when its over a controversial topic of minorities spiked with botched up facts and figures.
The extremists find refuge in all circles (Religious, Secularists, Liberals etc) and they all bring bad name to the state whether you accept this glaring fact or not.
 
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I don't see how any one can disagree with that, but this isn't what the OP is about. Pakistan is being coerced into doing something that is Pakistan's internal matter.
I wasn't discussing the OP...I replied to u blaming the media hype...and I responded that the blame lies with KH. Hype or not...he is the one who is currently exacerbating the situation.
For me the likes of ST and KH are just alike, they both have brought bad name to the country, but you have your bias and have a hard time accepting that.
I don't have a bias...I wrote in my post that both ST and KH are the same, just on opposite ends of the spectrum. U just think I have a bias bcuz I'm currently taking an issue with KH and not ST. The reason for that is ST is dead...nothing can be done about what he did...one cannot change the past. As for KH however, it's here and now. It can be stopped. That's not bias...it's called being practical. What I don't understand is how u think that KH and ST are the same(in terms of seeking glory for personal benefits in different ways) and yet ignore KH and rather go after ST even though KH is more directly responsible rn...that's bias
Unlike you I care about idiots like ST because what he did may be history to you, but its still haunting Pakistan, (Have a look at the OP) and as a loyal patriot it's my responsibility to discourage future wanna-be's like him.
Yes it's everyone's responsibility to discourage wannabes like him and that includes KH and yet every time I bring up that KH is the one painting Pak as an intolerant nation by holding these protests...u keep going back to ST and media hype and how if it wasn't for that we could've secretly moved Asia to Canada. The point is **** KH...he has no right to go against Supreme Court's ruling...that fucking traitor has no right to be giving the country a bad name.

U said it urself..."US may control the narrative at world stage, but we can't let a few individuals control the narrative for Pakistan. Be it ST or KH."
...and yet at the same time u keep disagreeing with me even though my whole argument has been that we shouldn't allow KH to control the narrative...we shouldn't allow him to hold these protests and give Pakistan a bad image.
In the real world, if Pakistan has a bad name, do you think you are going to improve it by highlighting the misdemeanour's in state affairs? It's not the government that is staining the image of the state, it's the so-called champions of human rights that are performing that job conspicuously. Here's another ST, who hides behind "I am only helping the innocent"
46698294_491443694710507_1851267437291372544_n.jpg

US may control the narrative at world stage, but we can't let a few individuals control the narrative for Pakistan. Be it ST or KH.
U r going off on a tangent there...the topic we r discussing is Asia's case and its aftermath. This guy doesn't fit into that but yes he is ST type and my views on him are just like ST/KH...but that's besides the point. Let's come back to topic. If u think that KH is also ruining the country's image and should be stopped then that means we r in agreement. However it seems that u keep arguing not realizing we r in agreement.
I never said protests should be sidelined, because that is a misunderstanding you have concocted on your own as a diversion from topic. If people like ST had not brought this issue up, then may be Asia would already be in Canada and NO one would even know, if she ever even existed just like Rimsha Masih.
I didn't say u said let's sideline the protests. U said "everything that harms the country should be sidelined"...to which I said yes I agree...then these protests and KH should also be sidelined bcuz they are currently harming the country.

As for Rimsha case and media hype and blaming ST. For the nth time yes he is responsible but in current situation he is indirectly responsible. He isn't here to take advantage of the situation(in Asia's case) and gain glory and public support...but KH is...KH is milking the situation. His popularity among the masses has skyrocketed. He is directly responsible for calling for protests and directly responsible for giving Pak a bad name. ST is dead...he can't be brought to justice...it will take time to undo the effect he had...
...KH is here...he can be brought to justice. If appropriate action is taken then any lasting effect he might have, can be shut down here and now.

This is why I'm going after the more direct cause of this whole mess.
The extremists find refuge in all circles (Religious, Secularists, Liberals etc) and they all bring bad name to the state whether you accept this glaring fact or not.
What?!?! I'm the one who brought up this fact. So idk what u r trying to get at. Go back a few posts and see what I said...I said that ST and KH are doing exactly the same thing just on different ends of the spectrum. If u understood what that meant...u'll realize it means exactly what I've quoted above.
 
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If the Americans promise to keep thier aid we should lock her up. Its a small price to pay to be rid of American "aid".

Is there anyone we can lock ip to be free of F-16s too?
 
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The only major American politician who I respect was Ralph Nader, a Lebanese American Christian who always supported Palestinian rights and vehemently fought against the wars of Afg/Iraq.

I met him several times, great human being and most of all, an advocate for the common
man (we owe mandatory seat belt/airbag laws to him.)[/QUOTE]

I have met both of them I respect both Ron and Ralph they were not Zio clowns however Rand is just a sell out these days again to be someone high up in power in America you gotta kiss the Zio ring yeah some Yanks will claim otherwise but its the TRUTH
 
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If the Americans promise to keep thier aid we should lock her up. Its a small price to pay to be rid of American "aid".

Is there anyone we can lock ip to be free of F-16s too?

you can return your f-16 fleet. we can pay you pennies on the dollar
 
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