Not all is lost for PTI yet

[Flight of falcon]

isnt that bad enough.
for the love of God they are supposed to be allies with PTI.
same goes with PML Q that is saying it has not decided who to side with,
its bad enough to have such "allies",
the presence of forward block of PTI dissidents in the form of Aleem Khan and Jahangir Tareen is just the last straw on the proverbial back of camel i.e. PTI government.

even if PTI "survives" the no confidence motion through use of force, disappearance and intimidation or buying of the much needed votes, it will be very rocky sailing.
PTI promised a viable and credible third option for Pakistani politics but alas it turned out to be just another version of the two main parties containing the self serving politicians that had been with other political parties when it suited them.


they are a curse, and they will repeat the same with whichever future federal government comes in power.
PTI and PPP both need them exception being PMLn because it has enough vote from Punjab to even give a damn to rest of Pakistan. the independent MNA's from rest of Pakistan and FATA give it extra cushion to bulldoze its way into power.

If you think PtI option is bad wait until Chalis chour get together.

Each will outdo other in stealing and corruption .

Which one would you prefer ?

I prefer option of mass resignation and new elections .

 

[PakAlp]

they are a curse, and they will repeat the same with whichever future federal government comes in power.
PTI and PPP both need them exception being PMLn because it has enough vote from Punjab to even give a damn to rest of Pakistan. the independent MNA's from rest of Pakistan and FATA give it extra cushion to bulldoze its way into power.

PML N is strong in Punjab indeed. What do you think of PakSarzameenParty chances? It looks like a good party to replace MQM. PPP unfortunately is here to stay

 

[Flight of falcon]

New bongy from Diesel:

We don’t need to show 172 members …. IK has to prove that he has 172 votes.

He doesn’t have to show shit….. you MoFOs need to prove your claim…

 

[SaadH]

Terrible choice. PPP blackmailed mqm and karachi by destroying karachi in last 3 years and blaming federal govt. The reality was federal have zero say because provincial govt is responsible for karachi.

Anyways shame on mqm for falling in ppp trap yet again.

What do you expect from two parties dominated by the partisans of Iran? MQM to the profound detriment of its muhajir base has always thrown a life line to PPP going all the way to 1988.

 

[blain2]

Seems MQM gone with PPP

If that happens then there aren't a bigger bunch of idiots than MQM. PPP has never ceded an inch to MQM and they never will in the future so all the promises for sale are just promises.

More importantly, if PTI loses the no-confidence motion, I would lay the blame on Punjab for selling out against the PTI. Regardless of the PTI's shoddy performance, it is still a better alternate than both PML-N and PPP and Lahorites and Punjab should know this better than anyone else in Pakistan.

If Punjab feels that they are getting a raw deal with the Buzdar government's performance, then guess what Punjab? Welcome to the experience of the rest of Pakistan! The fact that Lahore saw a lot of development in Shahbaz Sharif's tenure was taken as granted by Lahorites while the rest of the country was getting by with sub-par governance.

I still believe PTI is the best option for Pakistan. Yes, they need to improve their governance but I cannot imagine that Punjab would be the catalyst for surrender to the thieving bastards to loot this godforsaken country yet again. I have already given up on Sind for its inability to punish PPP for its incompetent governance of the province. One would hope that Punjab and NWFP would realize that neither NS, AZ nor Fazlur Rehman can deliver.

And this so called "establishment" does not care about anything but a performing government having seen the nonsense that NS and AAZ peddled in their terms. So at the end of the day, it is all in the hands of Punjab on how this goes down. Sorry for being very direct but stating it as I read the situation on hand.

 

[SQ8]

Such a “Pakistani” situation happening
The first “new” government and what seems like actual long term stability and independent foreign policy is being rejected by myopic majority and being capitalized on by external elements to incite regime change
Another “conflict” is on with India but new equipment has Pakistanis cheering.

 

[GumNaam]

lost? are you kidding me? Imran Khan's insanely huge and charged PTI jalsas have made all the so called "disgruntled" members and allies run back to Imran Khan asking him to keep them with him. the real dilemma for pmlq and mqm et al is how to not look like total fools when crawling back...Let's face the music haters, Imran Khan has proven that he is even more popular than 2018...the reason may or may not be him and his government's policies, frankly I am convinced that the real reason for his popularity is that most Pakistanis just don't wanna see the three stooges, pee pee pee, pml-noora and jui-fuzl-e-diesal back in power. these three little mice don't get it, their time is over!

 

[Flight of falcon]

lost? are you kidding me? Imran Khan's insanely huge and charged PTI jalsas have made all the so called "disgruntled" members and allies run back to Imran Khan asking him to keep them with him. the real dilemma for pmlq and mqm et al is how to not look like total fools when crawling back...Let's face the music haters, Imran Khan has proven that he is even more popular than 2018...the reason may or may not be him and his government's policies, frankly I am convinced that the real reason for his popularity is that most Pakistanis just don't wanna see the three stooges, pee pee pee, pml-noora and jui-fuzl-e-diesal back in power. these three little mice don't get it, their time is over!

You nailed it so well…. I have a friend who is in the police here and I have never ever heard a single word of politics from his mouth.
He just got back from Lahore and is posting pro PTI stuff on our chat line ….
He is saying people are absolutely hating this clown show and types of diesel and Zardari on TV all the time….. people are totally turned off .

 

[insight-out]

Don't MQM supporters hate PPP? How will they react if MQM leadership decides to go with PPP? That would give PTI a huge advantage in the 2023 election. I think MQM supporters would pick PTI over PPP any day, if they had to pick one.

 

[Thorough Pro]

That would only happen if MQM leadership gives priority to their personal financial gain over the Interest of their Karachiet voters
. If they do so, then Karachiet voters should stop blaming PPP for no development work in Karachi and directly hold MQM for their failure

Seems MQM gone with PPP

 

[PakAlp]

New bongy from Diesel:

We don’t need to show 172 members …. IK has to prove that he has 172 votes.

He doesn’t have to show shit….. you MoFOs need to prove your claim…

If the President believes IK does not have the majority then he can/she must demand PM to prove 172 majority. MQM,PMLQ,BAP are 50/50 at the moment, some sources are saying they want to stay neutral, if that is true then IK does not have the majority.

 

[ghazi52]

,.,.,.,.

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[Enigma SIG]

Everybody is double crossing everybody right now. Fog of war no body really knows if people who committed are really with them or not. On the face of it, allies are coming on to the media deriding IK for his stubbornness.

Democracy is a circus, more so in Pakistan where criminal mafia comes together in the form of 3 stooges to topple the most successful populist government to have ever governed Pakistan in more than 3 decades.

I sincerely hope IK comes out this bruised but not battered; and come next election, he hangs all the criminals in one go.

 

[Mumm-Ra]

lost? are you kidding me? Imran Khan's insanely huge and charged PTI jalsas have made all the so called "disgruntled" members and allies run back to Imran Khan asking him to keep them with him. the real dilemma for pmlq and mqm et al is how to not look like total fools when crawling back...Let's face the music haters, Imran Khan has proven that he is even more popular than 2018...the reason may or may not be him and his government's policies, frankly I am convinced that the real reason for his popularity is that most Pakistanis just don't wanna see the three stooges, pee pee pee, pml-noora and jui-fuzl-e-diesal back in power. these three little mice don't get it, their time is over!

Huge Jalsas don't necessarily translate into electoral success. We all remember the 2013 elections. Back then, Ik's Jalsas were as huge as these recent ones and we all thought he's gonna sweep the whole nation but it did not pan out like that. In fact, PTI's performance was below par and none of us could wrap our heads around those election results for quite some time. I'd take his recent Jalsas with a whole vat of salt and not pin too much hopes on another PTI victory anytime soon

Such a “Pakistani” situation happening
The first “new” government and what seems like actual long term stability and independent foreign policy is being rejected by myopic majority and being capitalized on by external elements to incite regime change
Another “conflict” is on with India but new equipment has Pakistanis cheering.

Everything boils down to economics. You keep the masses fed, you're a hero. You fail to do that and you're a villain. Plus, he is a really bad administrator and finally the gang of straw men he posted in each province were too pathetic to stem out established players and too incompetent to actually achieve something on their own.

 

[PakCan]

If Khan survives this vote, I hope he dissolves the assembly and calls election. He made major errors in handing out PTI tickets and picking his alliance.

For once I wouldn’t mind establishment hand in helping Khan win. Pakistan needs stability and major crack down on corruption.