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Norway is seeking partners for future submarine project with other nations in order to reduce cost and secure a robust submarine capability for the future.

The current Norwegian Ula-class submarines will gradually reach their end-of-life in the 2020s. The Ministry of Defence is currently leading the work looking at procurement of new submarines. The project is in its definition phase. This phase will be completed in the first half of 2016, when the external quality review is completed, Norwegian MoD said in a statement Monday.

The MoD has not chosen a supplier for new submarines, and is at present in dialogue with several different shipyards. It is therefore important to inform all parties as equally as possible.

The MoD and the project are in active discussions with several different nations with regards to potential submarine cooperation, with the aim of achieving the Norwegian ambition for cooperation.

Norway and Germany have already a longstanding and successful submarine cooperation. Germany is therefore a nation which it is natural for Norway to discuss a potential future submarine cooperation.

In addition to operational and purely defence related matters, industry will play an important part in a future submarine cooperation.

Norway Seeks Partners For Future Submarine Project
 
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Ministry of Defense wants new submarines


Updated: Tuesday Nov 4, 03:15 CET

The Ministry of Defense want to acquire new submarines. Early 2015, Minister Hennis will suggest a plan for succession of the current navy submarines, possibly in cooperation with Norway and Germany.

The Royal Netherlands Navy now has four submarines of the Walrus-class.. These are in use since 1990 and must be replaced in 2025. They are used, among others, for anti-piracy missions around Somalia.

Hennis wants to suggest a robus plan, because “the last that the Ministry of Defense needs is another program like the Joint Strike Fighter”.
Dutch Minister of Defense seeks to replace submarines by 2025 | Matthijs R. Koot's notebook

Poland contemplatin joint submarine buy with Norway and Netherlands
Submarine Matters: Poland Contemplating Joint Submarine Buy With Norway and Netherlands

As earlier reported, Poland aims to launch its submarine tender in the fourth quarter of 2015, according to the Deputy Defense Minister Maciej Jankowski.

Norway is also investigating the potential for cooperation with other nations. Sweden, Poland and the Netherlands are the most obvious industrial partner nations for Norway, said Henk Rutten, an industry analyst based in The Hague.

"It is possible that a future collaboration could include more than two nations. Sweden is certainly an interested party. Although Sweden has not made a formal approach to Norway as yet, there is dialogue at an unofficial level," said Rutten.

Last spring, Lena Erixon, the then-director general of Sweden’s military procurement agency, FMV, identified Norway and the Netherlands as potential partner nations. Sweden and Saab are hoping that Norway will select the new A26 sub, or a variant, as its future submarine type.

The Netherlands is primed to replace its 2,756-ton, life-extended Walrus subs after 2025. The submarines entered service in the 1990s.

Saab is contracted to deliver two A26-class submarines, at an estimated cost of US $1.4 billion, to the Swedish Navy by 2022. However, the budget is fully funded and the program is not dependent on Saab finding an industrial-cooperation partner.

"While the A26 program is fully budgeted, our interest in finding a partner is not so much about reducing the final bill as a desire to reduce future costs. By partnering with other countries we will be able to share both future development and maintenance costs and achieve a more even production volume," said Erixon.

Saab has an industrial teaming agreement with the Dutch Damen Shipyard. The deal reflects the extent of Swedish state backing for Saab in its long-term goal to build a robust and competitive underwater naval capacity centered around Saab Kockum’s underwater division.
Poland, Norway Could Team on Sub Program
 
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Germany, Norway Eye Joint Submarine Procurement
By Lars Hoffman
March 11, 2016


GÖTTINGEN, Germany — Norway plans to complete the definition phase for the procurement of new submarines in the first half of this year and may consider a joint purchase with another country.

The Norwegian Ministry of Defense is negotiating with several different shipyards but has not yet chosen a supplier for new submarines, it stated in a press release.

Norway has to replace its six Ula-class submarines, which will gradually reach their end of life in the 2020s. According to the release, Norway is also in discussions with several nations to establish the basis for submarine cooperation.

Last year, Norwegian Defense Minister Ine Eriksen Søreide suggested a joint procurement with Poland during her visit to the MSPO exhibition in Kielce. Another potential partner is Germany.

According to sources familiar with the subject, beside Germany, South Korea, Italy, Sweden, France and Spain qualify as supplier countries. Germany has had traditionally close military links with Norway and a track record of decades-long cooperation in naval construction. Norway's Ula submarines go back to a German design, while the first four German class-212 A submarines were equipped with a Norwegian battle management system.

Germany is also home to ThyssenKrupp Marine systems, which is considered a global leader in building non-nuclear submarines.

“Germany is therefore a nation which it is natural for Norway to discuss a potential future submarine cooperation with,” the Norwegian MoD writes. Industry also will play an important part in future submarine cooperation, the ministry stressed.

These topics were discussed in early February with German partners in Berlin during a visit of a Norwegian delegation led by Defense State Secretary Øystein Bø and National Armaments Director Morten Tiller.

The German MoD is interested in cooperating with the Nordic country because the German Navy plans to purchase two to four submarines in the second half of the 2020s. Since the ministry has classified submarine construction as a key technology, which is to be kept in Germany, shipyard capacity utilization is a necessity. Therefore, the proposal is on the table to combine the Norwegian and German procurement projects.

To save costs, the German MoD wants to employ a single design for both nation's boats. The Norwegian side submitted a draft with its submarine specifications for review to Germany last year.

In case of a joint procurement, Germany wants to function as lead nation and assume project responsibility, stated the German MoD. To reduce the life-cycle costs, maintenance and operation also should be managed in cooperation.

And as Gundbert Scherf, responsible for armaments cooperation with foreign countries in the MoD, said several months ago, the German Navy could imagine a common military submarine command with the Norwegians.

One major hurdle remains: The Norwegians want to open the German defense procurement market to companies from the Scandinavian country. According to Torbjørn Svensgård, the president of the Norwegian Defence and Security Industry Association, it is easier for its member companies to have success in the US market than in the closed European armament markets.

"Norway wants market access in the country, from which we obtain the submarines," he stressed.

Svensgård advised the competing yards not to rely solely on their technical expertise and thus to feel too safe. He pointed to the procurement of the Fridtjof Nansen-class frigates several years ago. While German and British shipyards would have expected to get a contract, the order was finally given to Spain.

“If the prospective suppliers don't listen carefully to the customer and provide a comprehensive response to all requirements, including those related to industrial cooperation, it could end similar when it comes to submarines,” he warned.

Katrin Suder, German secretary of state for armament, said that a procurement of the naval strike missile and the battle management system, both produced by Norway's Kongsberg, is "conceivable." The condition for such a deal, however, is a previous tender process. In case of a jointly developed product between Norway and Germany, this could be obtained without competition, the secretary of state said. It remains to be seen whether this German approach fits the requirements of the Norwegians.

In terms of shaping industrial cooperation, the Norwegian state has better options than does the German Defense Ministry, as Norway holds a majority stake in the publicly listed technology and armaments group Kongsberg, Norway's defense industry leader.

In contrast, the entire German armaments industry is privately organized, which leaves the German MoD with little direct influence.

Although Norway plans to procure more boats than Germany, the position of Germany as a lead nation in this program seems to be acceptable. Svensgård said he sees no fundamental problems.

“With such arrangements, we've had good experiences at US-led projects,” he said. Norway participates in the construction and development program for the American F-35 fighter aircraft.

“In the past, it had rather been a problem with European armaments projects, that no one was taking the leadership role,” Svensgård said. However, it is important for a lead nation that it is prepared to listen to and accept suggestions, he says. “And of course, the long-term obligations have to be met.”

Germany, Norway Eye Joint Submarine Procurement
 
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Considering the submarine this project is replacing, the Ula Class, was a collaboration between Norway and Germany, it's likely the two would collaborate again. In Ula's case, the submarine's parts were built in Norway and assembled in Germany.

Credit to Technofox at the American Military Forum for the photos of Norway's Ula Class submarines:

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To save costs, the German MoD wants to employ a single design for both nation's boats. The Norwegian side submitted a draft with its submarine specifications for review to Germany last year.

Hmm, I'm the wrong person to ask about this, very limited knowledge of military affairs, but I think Norway is interested in an SSC (littoral AIP or DE submarine) and not a German designed SSK (Deep water AIP or DE submarine). Norway's submarines don't venture too far from their own waters. An SSK, as Germany uses and sells with its type-212 and Type-214, doesn't fit in with what Norway has looked for in a submarine.

I can't image they'd want the Type-216 either. What Germany has built recently, and if it wants to use the same boats for its own defense purposes, means the two sides wont likely come to an agreement. Norway has different defense needs then Germany.
 
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The five Nansen Class anti-submarine warfare frigates were built by Navantia of Spain for the Norwegian Navy. The main contractor is Navantia (formerly Izar) of Spain and the Aegis weapon systems integrator is the US company, Lockheed Martin. The vessels are of modular construction and the completion of the first module of the hull ('keel-stretching') of the Fridtjof Nansen took place in April 2003. Lockheed Martin delivered the first Aegis system in December 2003.
Nansen Class Anti-Submarine Warfare Frigates - Naval Technology
As of 2011, all five are in active service. The total projected cost for all five ships is NOK 21 billion (about USD 3.33 billion).
Fridtjof Nansen-class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Technical details
http://www.navantia.es/ckfinder/userfiles/files/lineas_act/productos diciembre 2015/F-310 final.pdf
 
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A26 and Soryu are quite different

A26
Displacement: 1,900 long tons (1,930 t)[3]
Length: 63 m (206 ft 8 in)[3]
Beam: 6.4 m (21 ft 0 in)[3]
Draught: 6 m (19 ft 8 in)

Soryu

Displacement:
  • Surfaced: 2,900 tonnes (2,854 long tons)
  • Submerged: 4,200 t (4,134 long tons)
Length: 84.0 m (275 ft 7 in)
Beam: 9.1 m (29 ft 10 in)
Draught: 8.5 m (27 ft 11 in)

By comparison

Type 212A
Displacement:
  • 1,450 tonnes (1,430 long tons) surfaced
  • 1,830 tonnes (1,800 long tons) submerged
Length:
  • 56 m (183.7 ft)
  • 57.2 m (187.66 ft) (2nd batch)
Beam: 7 m (22.96 ft)
Draft: 6 m (19.68 ft)

Type 216 (offered Australia)
Displacement: 4,000 metric tonnes[1]
Length: 90 m[2]
Beam: 8.1 m
Draft: 6.6 m

It is likely that the Singaporean Type 218SG will be a derivative based on this new class.
 
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By:www.defenseindustrydaily.com
Norway May go Dutch with Poland on Subs
April 11/16: As Norway continues its search for a cooperation partner for its submarine procurement, it has narrowed down the manufacturers external link external link who will carry out the task. The yards shortlisted by Oslo are France’s DCNS and Germany’s ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS). Both companies have worked with and supplied systems to the Norwegian Navy over the last number of decades. While several other submarine yards, including Saab’s Kockums yard in Sweden had also applied, they lost out to Western Europe’s two largest submarine manufacturers.

Keep reading for the whole story with recent events put in context
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Norway’s 6 Ula Class/ U210 diesel-electric submarines were commissioned from 1989-1992, and play an important role in their overall fleet. The 1,150t design combined German design, sonar, and torpedoes with a French Thomson-CSF (now Thales) Sintra flank array sonar. Integration happens through a Norwegian Kongsberg combat system, which has become a mainstay for German submarine types. The U210s are a bit on the small side compared to more modern diesel-electric boats, but they remain well suited to Norway’s long coasts and narrow fjords.

The Ula Class has received a number of upgrades since 2006. A new combat system, added cooling for warm water operations, upgraded periscopes, sonar improvements, TADIL-A/Link 11 communications, etc. Even so, the continuous cycle of compression and release inherent in submarine operations will make operations past 2020 a risky proposition. Norway wants to keep a submarine fleet, and by the end of 2014 decided it would need new boats to do so.
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April 11/16: As Norway continues its search for a cooperation partner for its submarine procurement, it has narrowed down the manufacturers external link who will carry out the task. The yards shortlisted by Oslo are France’s DCNS and Germany’s ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS). Both companies have worked with and supplied systems to the Norwegian Navy over the last number of decades. While several other submarine yards, including Saab’s Kockums yard in Sweden had also applied, they lost out to Western Europe’s two largest submarine manufacturers.

April 8/16: A joint submarine procurement between Norway and Poland is not imminent external link despite ongoing talks on the matter. While Oslo is looking to proceed with a joint procurement of a submarine fleet, the final shape of the program, the number of vessels it plans to acquire, and with whom to cooperate still needs to be decided. Poland, in the midst of a nationalist fervor removing any military equipment stemming from the Cold War-era, is looking to acquire three new submarines to replace its aging Kobben-class subs, due to be decommissioned in 2021.

September 10/15: Norway and Poland are engaged in talks over a possible joint procurement of submarines, according to Norwegian press reports external link. As Norway debates how best to go about replacing its fleet of Ula-class subs, the Poles are reportedly external link seeking out European partners for a joint acquisition. The Polish Navy requires three new boats to enter service in the mid-2020s, with the Netherlands eyed as another possible partner. The Norwegian Ministry of Defence decided in December 2014 that the Ula-class subs would have their lives extended to 35 years – out to 2020 – with the replacement program currently in a project definition phase.

Dec 03/14: Planning. Norway’s Ministry of Defence delivers the decision it had promised it would make in 2014. Ula class submarines will be kept operational for an additional 5 years, but their life won’t be extended beyond a total of 35 years, as doing so was ruled out as too expensive. So there is going to be a new procurement, and a partnership with other countries is explicitly favored by the ministry to do so while minimizing project risk and costs.

A project definition phase will now take place for the next two years since the number of submarines or budget haven’t even been defined yet. Delivery should start to take place in the mid 2020s.

June 10/14: Go Dutch? The Netherlands has determined that an overhaul of its locally-designed Walrus Class submarines doesn’t make financial or operational sense, after a 20-25 year service life. They need new boats, but can’t afford to replace all 4, and their submarine industry died after Chinese pressure killed a sale to Taiwan. The solution? Present an initial plan this year, and go Dutch:

“As a result of the current budget constraints, the Dutch MoD is looking for an international partner to increase economy of scale and reduce costs of ownership in a new submarine programme. ‘We are open to discuss the whole spectrum from training to logistics,’ [CO Submarine Services Capt. Hugo] Ammerlaan said.

While the MoD is currently exploring a variety of options it sees Norway as a potential partner for co-developing and building submarines.”

That’s an interesting assessment. Norway isn’t a strong design/build partner, though Kongsberg’s combat system is often used in German U-boats, and well proven. Really making this work probably requires at least one more major partner, be it French (Scorpene), German/Italian/Korean (U2xx), or Swedish (A26). Spain’s S-80 was part of the Sept 11/12 RFI, but its severe weight issues have derailed development and made it a very unlikely candidate. Sources: Shephard Maritime Security, “UDT: Dutch MoD advances submarine replacement”.

May 6/14: Update. The Norwegian Ministry of Defence hasn’t issued its final recommendation yet on the Ula submarines, but they still expect to do so in 2014. To date:

“National and international expertise has been engaged in producing inputs to the process. ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems in Germany have recently completed an extensive study on extending the lifetime and maintaining the relevance of the Ula-class, beyond 2020. In addition, Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace, various original equipment manufacturers and other suppliers have contributed with information. Furthermore, other navies have provided in-depth information on their experience from similar processes. The company British Maritime Technology (BMT) is tasked to review technical aspects and risks related to a life extension program. BMT’s experience from similar analyses will contribute significantly to the overall analysis on the feasibility of such a program.”

Sources: Norwegian Ministry of Defence, “Evaluation of a potential service life extension of the Ula-class is being finalized”.

Nov 16/12: The Plan. A newspaper report prods Norway’s Ministry of Defence into clarifying the current status of its submarine program. They’re trying to decide between a further life extension of the current Ula Class, a replacement program, or some combination of the two. This process is expected to present its recommendations in 2014.

The chosen solution will form the basis for a project definition phase, before any investment project is presented for the Norwegian parliament in 2017. Norwegian MoD external link.

Nov 15/12: Rear Admiral Jan Gerhard Jæger (ret.) tells Aftenposten that modernizations may not be enough to keep the U210 Ula Class competitive. Money quote: “Norway currently has equipment that can be used to trace these submarines. Consequently, we must reckon with the fact that others also possess this.” The Foreigner external link.

Oct 3/12: Minister of Defence Anne-Grete Strøm-Erichsen speaks to the 2012 Army Summit, and talks about “The economic turmoil – implications for security and defence policy external link.” Some excerpts:

“When I left the Ministry in 2009, we hoped the financial crisis to have reached its peak… I think no one would disagree that since then things have got worse… we are witnessing a severe debt crisis with long term effects, particularly in the European economy. We need to prepare ourselves to be in this dire situation for the long haul. It will most likely dominate European politics for years to come. We experience an unprecedented economic crisis which over time has morphed into a crisis of social cohesion and confidence.

“…What I am suggesting is that we once again have to consider strategic and more traditional challenges. We have to reflect about the possibility of symmetric threats… If you are a defence minister it tends to be much easier to cut investments than bases or camps, simply because it does not have the same social effect in the short run… My fellow defence ministers are fully aware of this pitfall. If you make cuts in your investments budget the problems will not emerge in 2012 or 2013, but rather in 2017 or in 2025. Similarly, the immediate effect of reducing the budget for training and exercises is not critical. What you obviously risk is less agile, less prepared forces further down the line.

What makes these challenges even more daunting is the constant need for military transformation. There is a danger that several European Allies may have choose to postpone the restructuring of their military organisations…”

Sept 11/12: RFI. The Norwegian Defence Logistics Organisation (NDLO) on 11 september 2012 forwards a Request for Information to prequalified shipyards. The purpose of the RFI is to investigate investment cost, life cycle costs, production time, performance and other important aspects related to new submarines that in turn will shape a decision on life extension or fleet replacement. Responses to this RFI are expected by the end of 2012. Shipyards include:

Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (South Korea, modernized U209s & U214)
DCNS (France, Scorpene Class)
Fincantieri (Italy, U212A partner)
Navantia (Spain, S-80)
ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (representing Swedish Kockums AB’s new A26 design, and Germany’s HDW for U212A/U214)

Note that many of the contenders are offering variants on HDW submarine designs, which already come with a Norwegian combat system as their main option. The new player is South Korea’s DMSE, which has become one of the most significant and advanced shipyards in the world. They’re currently building U214s for South Korea, and U209 derivatives for Indonesia, while modernizing Indonesia’s existing U209 boats. If Norway opts for U210 life extension as part of their solution, DSME is likely to represent HDW’s main competition for the work. Norway MoD external link | Defense News external link.

RFI

2007 – 2011: The Norwegian Ministry of Defence studies whether Norway should continue to have a requirement for a submarine capability after 2020. This isn’t an idle question; their neighbor Denmark looked at the issue recently, and decided to scrap their underwater fleet.

The study concludes that no other system would be able to replace the capability offered by a modern fleet of submarines, and that Norway still needs this capability.............See more
 
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