North Korea torpedoed South's navy ship

[gpit]

Wrong...NKR have very much to lose.

If NKR decided to engage in a mano-a-mano fight with SKR, each side's sponsor would no doubt involve themselves, if not directly. But the problem for the China-NRK alliance is that they are severely technologically below the US-SKR par. Even as an Air Force guy, I have no problems saying that the ultimate goal of any service is to support the ground troopers -- the army. The NKRean Air Force will become nonexistent soon in the war, leaving the NKRean Army defenseless, and if the NKRean Army cross south of the 38th, it too will cease to exist, albeit its existence will last longer than its army brother. If China get actively involved, so will the US and this is not what China want.

So to keep NKR alive, China will have to get involved but only north of the 38th as a guard against a possible invasion by SKR. Once the NKR Army is defeated and driven back up north, China will become what the US was in Iraq -- an occupational power -- taking resources away from other plans such as the DF-21, the aircraft carrier, the mythical 'stealth' fighter, the GPS-like satellites, and so on...to support NKR. All the while the US pushes on ahead with our military improvements, leaving China behind. China will have to help NKR oppress the North Koreans even more than they are today to keep them from fleeing southward towards. Without a people, a country cannot exist for long.

Now here is my proposal...Pakistan should make peace with India by conceding Kashmir. Once a peace treaty is secured, Pakistan can divert a considerable amount of military resources to help the China-NKR alliance to defeat and conquer SKR. May be act as 38th parallel border guard?

Is that hilarious or what...???

North Korea has become a proverbial millstone around China's neck.

Hahahaha.....

Another "Christmas go home" joke by MacArthur the Nth?

MacArthur announced that "tell the troops that when we get to the Yalu River they can all go home. You will be home by Christmas". ..

HOME BY CHRISTMAS

 

[no_name]

Apparently that phrase is taboo. Everytime an army say something is going to be finished by christmas it usually never does.

 

[Thomas]

I think Americans can not afford any war now. Most of the Proxies and allies have to think alternatives or may have to rent US army in future.

US Armed Forces soon available ?For Rent" - DominicanToday.com

lol, yes a very reliable unbiased news source.

 

[below_freezing]

I know quite a lot about war. And in the case of the Korean war have several family members that served in it. I know it was not just human wave attacks. and never claimed it was the only reason. But it was a big factor. It is a well documented historical fact. Another factor was stretched supply lines due to the fast advance into North Korea.

then US command must have been extremely incompetent since they had the same total troop numbers in korea but allowed Chinese troops to repeatedly gain local numeric superiority.

 

[gambit]

Hahahaha.....

Another "Christmas go home" joke by MacArthur the Nth?

One of the biggest jokes came from this clown...

He said something about digging his own grave...

 

[gambit]

then US command must have been extremely incompetent since they had the same total troop numbers in korea but allowed Chinese troops to repeatedly gain local numeric superiority.

You must not have read much military history, especially the old fashion books type.

 

[Thomas]

then US command must have been extremely incompetent since they had the same total troop numbers in korea but allowed Chinese troops to repeatedly gain local numeric superiority.

Where U.S. leaders messed up I believe is failing to realize that China would intervene. up to the time China entered the war. Mac Arthur and President Truman believed that China was bluffing. As a result the advance into the North was stretched thin and not reinforced like it should have been. Mac Arthur sought to remedy the situation by Nuking Chinese bases. This and his disrespect for President Truman. Led to his being replaced against the wishes of the joint chiefs.

 

[gpit]

Where U.S. leaders messed up I believe is failing to realize that China would intervene. up to the time China entered the war. Mac Arthur and President Truman believed that China was bluffing. As a result the advance into the North was stretched thin and not reinforced like it should have been. Mac Arthur sought to remedy the situation by Nuking Chinese bases. This and his disrespect for President Truman. Led to his being replaced against the wishes of the joint chiefs.

I remember Mao Zedong said one statement: weapon is an important factor of winning war, but is not a deterministic factor. The deterministic factor is human, not weapon.

Some foolhardy fundamentalists would never realize that.

While acknowledging that today is 2010, but we can still review 1952-3. Even Ridgewood replaced MacArthur and “meat grounding” technique worked to certain degree, still stalemate reached at 38 parallel.

Perhaps Chinese Volunteer Army got some new Soviet weapon later, but US army was still overwhelmingly stronger in hardware, yet couldn’t gain much over the enemy.

This should serve as a sound lesson to some fundamentalists, they should not mess up any more today, as they appear still believing that the Chinese are bluffing about Taiwan, about the sea denial weaponry...

 

[gpit]

I always thought to have the south ahead of the north in military till i noticed how many damn artillery systems the north has pointed at the south. Sad that South Korea is under American control but i guess they need it tbh.

Rightly said.

But according to some fundamentalists, NK's artillery is a dust. You blow it, and it's gone.

Those fundamentalists are never willing to face the fact that Seoul will become dust itself with 0.5 hour. SK has been pondering to move the capital for long while.

This is also the reason that US army decided to move back from 38 parallel so as to let SK army die first...

 

[gpit]

... The human wave tactic is employed when there is a combination of poorly educated leadership and poorly trained soldiers.


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You forgot one important thing: a strong will to protect their homeland, which doesn't need formal education, nor formal training but a tradition/culture.

When the old fundamentalist the MacArthur said to nuke China, it inspired numerous volunteers to sacrifice their lives.

Neo-fundamentalists need to think, out of rationality, not hatred.

 

[gambit]

You forgot one important thing: a strong will to protect their homeland, which doesn't need formal education, nor formal training but a tradition/culture.

When the old fundamentalist the MacArthur said to nuke China, it inspired numerous volunteers to sacrifice their lives.

Neo-fundamentalists need to think, out of rationality, not hatred.

Not at all. I simply see no need to point out what is natural in every person who has any sense of patriotism. The issue here is about combat tactics and the inevitable question of military education and training of those who apply those tactics.

Professional military education is an intellectual weapon and intellect is something the communists of China and NKR disdains and suspicious of. Absent or severely lacking of intellectual arsenal, what else can these joke of generals do but to appeal to the cannon fodders' sense of patriotism: human wave attacks. They used it in Korea and they exported to Viet Nam.

 

[below_freezing]

Not at all. I simply see no need to point out what is natural in every person who has any sense of patriotism. The issue here is about combat tactics and the inevitable question of military education and training of those who apply those tactics.

Professional military education is an intellectual weapon and intellect is something the communists of China and NKR disdains and suspicious of. Absent or severely lacking of intellectual arsenal, what else can these joke of generals do but to appeal to the cannon fodders' sense of patriotism: human wave attacks. They used it in Korea and they exported to Viet Nam.

funny how you say that intellect is something disdained when china produces the 2nd most number of scientific papers in the world.

it is also funny how the "human wave tactics" were able to work, when the total troop levels on both sides were equal. Allowing the enemy to gain local numeric superiority in a case where UN forces had all the land of north korea, air superiority, naval supremacy, better logistics and a closer operating base in japan, shows incompetent military strategy. Allowing allied forces to be surrounded twice and annihilated with almost no losses on the enemy side (the first 2 battles of the PVA of the Korean war were fought against South Korean divisions) is also a stupid mistake.

Also interesting how you call Marshal Peng, who fought with backwards weapons captured from Japan and the Nationalists (Soviet reinforcements did not arrive until 1952, China reached 38th parallel by end of 1951) and still pushed back the US Army, a joke. In fact it was the US Army of the time that was the joke, losing 400 km of territory to an army that fought with weapons 30 years behind the times.

 

[gambit]

funny how you say that intellect is something disdained when china produces the 2nd most number of scientific papers in the world.

Not relevant to what we are talking about.

it is also funny how the "human wave tactics" were able to work, when the total troop levels on both sides were equal. Allowing the enemy to gain local numeric superiority in a case where UN forces had all the land of north korea, air superiority, naval supremacy, better logistics and a closer operating base in japan, shows incompetent military strategy.

Like I said, you obviously have not availed yourself of any military history. No army in war have been able to completely influence how the enemy array his forces. By your argument, I can say that by allowing the US to attain superior military technology showed gross strategic incompetence worthy of court martial and execution.

Go and pick up a real book for a change instead of spouting party lines...