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(CNN)North Korea has dropped its long-held demand that the United States withdraw forces from South Korea in exchange for denuclearization, South Korean President Moon Jae-in said Thursday.

The United States has about 28,000 troops stationed in South Korea, a presence that has long irked North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

However, in the burgeoning spirit of openness and diplomacy, Moon said Kim is willing to give up US troops' removal as a precondition for discussions over denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula.

"North Korea has expressed willingness to give up its nuclear program without making (a) demand that the (US Forces Korea) forces withdraw from the Korean Peninsula," Moon said in a meeting with the press, adding that any proposed troop withdrawal would be a "condition that the US cannot accept."


The South Korean leader, due to meet Kim next week for a historic summit in the Demilitarized Zone, the border separating the two countries, said that the North was concerned about its security.

"They only talk about ending the hostile policy against North Korea, and then guarantee of their security. With that clarification, the US and North Korea have agreed to sit down at the summit," he said.

The concession comes as President Donald Trump insisted Wednesday he'd be willing to leave a highly anticipated summit meeting with Kim should it fall short of his expectations.

"If we don't think it's going to be successful, we won't have it," Trump said. "If the meeting when I'm there isn't fruitful, I will respectfully leave the meeting."

Joint drills no longer an issue
In a similar vein, Kim signaled in March that he would not oppose joint US-South Korean military exercises, which had been postponed while South Korea hosted the Winter Olympics.

The annual war games have been a sore point for the North Korean leader, who sees them as a direct provocation to his country's security.

A South Korean delegation that traveled to Pyongyang reported back that Kim understands Seoul's position on holding military drills with the United States.

"Our stance on the joint military drills is that it is hard to postpone the exercises again or suspend them, and there is no justification for doing so. But Kim said that he understands the South's stance," a high-level official in South Korea's presidential office told CNN in March.

According to the official, Kim also said he expects the joint drills to be "readjusted" once the security situation on the Korean Peninsula stabilizes.

US military leaders have refused to put the drills on the table as a negotiating chip.

Rapid thaw in relations

Kim's diplomatic skills seem to have developed rapidly since Moon, a liberal who favors a more open policy toward the North took office in May -- and particularly since the beginning of the year.

A conciliatory New Year's Day message from Kim swiftly saw the reconnection of a cross-border hotline, a development that led to the North's athletes and cultural ambassadors taking part in the South Korean-hosted Winter Games.

Since February, high-level talks between Seoul and Pyongyang have occurred, leading to an unlikely invitation from the North Korean leader to Trump for a face-to-face meeting and, indirectly, Kim's first foreign visit to neighbor and ally China.

Cultural exchanges have also warmed relations on either side of the 38th parallel, most recently with a performance by South Korean pop acts in the North Korean capital.

Following the groundbreaking concert, South Korean Culture Minister Do Jong-hwan told CNN that Kim seemed "sincere and genuine" about wanting to improve relations with Seoul.

The two Korean leaders prepare to meet next week in what is seen as paving the way for the US-North Korea summit.

This week it emerged that CIA Director Mike Pompeo, Trump's nominee for secretary of state, traveled to the North Korean capital for secret, preliminary talks ahead of the Trump-Kim meeting, which is set for late May or early June.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/19/asia/north-korea-us-forces-korean-peninsula-intl/index.html
 
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I think it is obviously. The only purpose of nuclear arms of Korea - to prevent US attacks. No USA on peninsula = no nuclear weapons.
 
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Now I know these talks won't come to anything. There might be a chance for denuclearization if the US-ROK alliance is dissolved, but if this isn't an ask then it's obvious Kim isn't serious and is just stringing Trump along.
 
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US is always using an excuse to stay in South Korea, even if DPRK is willing to give up her nukes in exchange for removal of US troops America ain't gonna agree to that condition. What America wants is DPRK making all the concessions, after all US wants to contain Russia and China on that side.
 
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I think it is obviously. The only purpose of nuclear arms of Korea - to prevent US attacks. No USA on peninsula = no nuclear weapons.

Or the purpose of nuclear weapons is to prevent U.S. interference to invade South Korea again.

US is always using an excuse to stay in South Korea, even if DPRK is willing to give up her nukes in exchange for removal of US troops America ain't gonna agree to that condition. What America wants is DPRK making all the concessions, after all US wants to contain Russia and China on that side.

Sorry but we are not applying that to something that has been going on since the invasion of South Korea by North Korea. Unless there is a peace treaty where North Korea promises not to invade South Korea again, the U.S. troops are staying there unless otherwise. You thought North Korea making nukes will force the U.S. out? No it just encouraged to put THAAD there, making China mad. Just like you guys using U.S. naval patrolling SCS to arm the artificial islands as an excuse.

Now I know these talks won't come to anything. There might be a chance for denuclearization if the US-ROK alliance is dissolved, but if this isn't an ask then it's obvious Kim isn't serious and is just stringing Trump along.

Sorry but getting rid of the nukes doesn't lead to getting rid of the alliance. You don't build nukes and expect concessions. Make more nukes get more concessions, keep making more nukes and get more concessions every time because its working.
 
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Or the purpose of nuclear weapons is to prevent U.S. interference to invade South Korea again.



Sorry but we are not applying that to something that has been going on since the invasion of South Korea by North Korea. Unless there is a peace treaty where North Korea promises not to invade South Korea again, the U.S. troops are staying there unless otherwise. You thought North Korea making nukes will force the U.S. out? No it just encouraged to put THAAD there, making China mad. Just like you guys using U.S. naval patrolling SCS to arm the artificial islands as an excuse.



Sorry but getting rid of the nukes doesn't lead to getting rid of the alliance. You don't build nukes and expect concessions. Make more nukes get more concessions, keep making more nukes and get more concessions every time because its working.

Not to invade the South again? Ha look who is talking a Yankee who is here promoting so called peace on the Peninsula? First criticize your own country for the countless of invasions the past couple of decades. You don't tell DPRK what to do, how about USA promise the world not to invade countries again?
 
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Not to invade the South again? Ha look who is talking a Yankee who is here promoting so called peace on the Peninsula? First criticize your own country for the countless of invasions the past couple of decades. You don't tell DPRK what to do, how about USA promise the world not to invade countries again?

Please, don't ignore the invasion of South Korea with China's backing back then. Perhaps Kim is doing what he is doing now because you told him to. Remember that recent visit to China? Told him to listen to the Americans.
 
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Please, don't ignore the invasion of South Korea with China's backing back then. Perhaps Kim is doing what he is doing now because you told him to. Remember that recent visit to China? Told him to listen to the Americans.
Oh you don't want to discuss about the countless of invasions by USA? :lol:
 
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Sorry but getting rid of the nukes doesn't lead to getting rid of the alliance.
It's not just the Korean Peninsula, you're going to leave the western Pacific entirely. Whether you leave on your feet or on your back is your choice, but you will leave.
 
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You don't want to talk about your support of North Korea's invasion with China's encouragement?:-)
And what is wrong with unification? :rofl: At least DPRK is not USA who wage wars in every part of the world for all sorts of evil intentions. While you are still occupying South Korea, you guys utterly failed to occupy Vietnam.
 
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It's not just the Korean Peninsula, you're going to leave the western Pacific entirely. Whether you leave on your feet or on your back is your choice, but you will leave.

That depends on you then in your words.

And what is wrong with unification? :rofl: At least DPRK is not USA who wage wars in every part of the world for all sorts of evil intentions. While you are still occupying South Korea, you guys utterly failed to occupy Vietnam.

We failed to prevent North Vietnam (backed by China) conquering the South that is true. At least we didn't fail South Korea.
 
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We failed to prevent North Vietnam (backed by China) conquering the South that is true. At least we didn't fail South Korea.

I don't think the Viets would agree with that terminology, unification more like. The North and the South of the Peninsula will unify in the future and when they do the US can stop occupying it.
 
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We failed to prevent North Vietnam (backed by China) conquering the South that is true. At least we didn't fail South Korea.
North Korea and its bottle rockets are a sideshow. Let me put this to you in culturally resonant terms: reclaiming tianxia is China's Manifest Destiny. You are standing in the way of that Destiny, and that doesn't end well for you. If you don't find a way to extricate yourselves, one of the following two things happens:
  1. China delivers an ultimatum which you obey, resulting in a humiliating withdrawal.
  2. China delivers an ultimatum which you defy, resulting in your skulls getting stomped into paste.
If you find neither of these options appealing, it would behoove you to find a way to exit China's near-abroad expeditiously.
 
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