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Anyways, as for the TPP. It will not be ratified; I doubt a democrat will win in 2016. And Republicans have already vowed to destroy the treaty that Obama was so fond of. Secondly the TPP must be approved by all legislative bodies by all member states. The fact that it has not even been approved in the Japanese Diet is testimony.
Given Hilary Clinton's awkward stance about TPP, I doubt even democrat after winning the presidency would rectify it without modification. Any way it is still a long road with many uncertainties.

Pls note that we gave the predict in Jan,2015 long before RMB start falling in November,2015.

At Jan,2015, no Cnese thought RMB would fall cos" RMB is one of the most stable currency on the world". So, dont try to find any excuses for RMB fall. U guys simply dont know why it must fall.
Can you tell me why?

Actually I am more interested in share market if you could really foresee/predict it.
 
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As Karl Marx said:" The developement of the society is the historical process and No one can change that process" so, 90 % TPP will be ratiffied in 2018 regardless which parties in US win the election cos US capitalist need to suck all wealth from JP, EU etc to survive now.

You are failing by trying to correlate Marx' communist manifesto with regional political dialectic. Either this is because you have failed to comprehend the importance of Manifest der kommunistischen Partei in the sense of the climactic battle between the Bourgeois and the Proletariat and the purism he indicates and associates with the struggle of the universal worker...OR perhaps you just did not utilize enough critical thinking in how Marx refers to historical processes, which is actually relegation to the political revolutionism he is so emphatic about.

In fact Marx, in his Manifest der kommunistischen Partei actually is against Capitalism, which is what TPP is about, anyways. So you trying to associate and paraphrase a minute segment of Marx' Manifest der kommunistischen Partei in trying to support TPP is actually both ironic, and ...imbecilic.

It leads me to thus conclude you really don't even known basic political science theories on the basic collegiate level. Especially the most basic theories of socialism and communism.

Please , my son, i recommend you do more remediation by reading basic socialism thought.
 
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Can you tell me why?

Actually I am more interested in share market if you could really foresee/predict it.
The whole world share market will get worse except USA cos he can suck all wealths from EU-JP to keep him rich. VN market will try to keep the balance.

Why RMB must fall ? Cos CN must devalue its currency to stay competitive in exports. And why CN economy collapse in 2028, after 04 years RMB fall to half ?? Cos the number of jobless Cnese will reach to its red line like Soviet union.

You are failing by trying to correlate Marx' communist manifesto with regional political dialectic. Either this is because you have failed to comprehend the importance of Manifest der kommunistischen Partei in the sense of the climactic battle between the Bourgeois and the Proletariat and the purism he indicates and associates with the struggle of the universal worker...OR perhaps you just did not utilize enough critical thinking in how Marx refers to historical processes, which is actually relegation to the political revolutionism he is so emphatic about.

In fact Marx, in his Manifest der kommunistischen Partei actually is against Capitalism, which is what TPP is about, anyways. So you trying to associate and paraphrase a minute segment of Marx' Manifest der kommunistischen Partei in trying to support TPP is actually both ironic, and ...imbecilic.

It leads me to thus conclude you really don't even known basic political science theories on the basic collegiate level. Especially the most basic theories of socialism and communism.

Please , my son, i recommend you do more remediation by reading basic socialism thought.
Read Marx and Lenin again,bro.

Other while, you will never understand why 90% TPP deal will be ratified in 2018, RMB will fall to half in abt 2024.

Marx is gainst Capitalism, but Marx agree that a nation only can become Socialist nation when Capitalist develop to highest stage....and TPP is the highest stage of Capitalism.
 
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Read Marx and Lenin again,bro.

Other while, you will never understand why 90% TPP deal will be ratified in 2018, RMB will fall to half in abt 2024.

Marx is gainst Capitalism, but Marx agree that a nation only can become Socialist nation when Capitalist develop to highest stage....and TPP is the highest stage of Capitalism

TPP is the highest stage of Capitalism? With Washington writing all the rules?


......LMFAO. :hitwall:

Read Marx and Lenin again,bro.

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TPP is the highest stage of Capitalism? With Washington writing all the rules?


......LMFAO. :hitwall:



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Marx said: Capitalist will not peacefully step down and hand over the power to the pple, so we must carry out the " violent revolution".....but CN-JP-EU all bow down to mighty US and let US suck all wealths, so, no "violent revolt." happen .

Only VN bloody defeat mighty US, so only VN survive IF we can unify sub Mekong region.
 
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Marx said: Capitalist will not peacefully step down and hand over the power to the pple, so we must carry out the " violent revolution".....but CN-JP-EU all bow down to mighty US and let US suck all wealths, so, no "violent revolt." happen .

Only VN bloody defeat mighty US, so only VN survive IF we can unify sub Mekong region.

Marx' understanding of socialism and on his communist manifesto was purely ideological and in the premise of philosophical deluge. Ultimately his opinings reflected the social injustices and social inequalities of the day (between the landed elites, robber barons and the indentured workers). Its importance is relegated to history since his writings led to the development of Communism , and ultimately the struggle against imperialism and western-sanctioned order at the time. But in modern times, where capitalism seems to have been fused with local politic and even socialist policies and thought, the climactic-ism that Marx was so emphatic about will never happen. Ultimately Marx' thoughts were implemented in succeeding global political trends after the turn of the 20th century.

As for your Great Sub Mekong-ism, don't worry. Viet Nam will be included into Greater East Asia, one way or another. And then there shall be...peace. :)



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Marx' understanding of socialism and on his communist manifesto was purely ideological and in the premise of philosophical deluge. Ultimately his opinings reflected the social injustices and social inequalities of the day (between the landed elites, robber barons and the indentured workers). Its importance is relegated to history since his writings led to the development of Communism , and ultimately the struggle against imperialism and western-sanctioned order at the time. But in modern times, where capitalism seems to have been fused with local politic and even socialist policies and thought, the climactic-ism that Marx was so emphatic about will never happen. Ultimately Marx' thoughts were implemented in succeeding global political trends after the turn of the 20th century.

As for your Great Sub Mekong-ism, don't worry. Viet Nam will be included into Greater East Asia, one way or another. And then there shall be...peace. :)



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Say whatever u wanna say, but if u can not understand the core of Marx-Lenin's ideas, then u only can sit and watch US suck JP economy dry in TPP thanks for your cowardness.

Btw: why can not tell me what u will say when TPP ratiffied in 2018 and RMB fall to half in 2024 ?? Is it too hard for u to admit that your vision is too short compared wt Vnese ?? :happy:
 
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Say whatever u wanna say, but if u can not understand the core of Marx-Lenin's ideas, then u only can sit and watch US suck JP economy dry in TPP thanks for your cowardness.

But TPP hasn't even been ratified or in operation. How can there by any sucking when the proverbial goose hasn't even laid its golden egg? I suggest you taken note of an old adage, "don't count your eggs before they even hatch!"



Btw: why can not tell me what u will say when TPP ratiffied in 2018 and RMB fall to half in 2024 ?? Is it too hard for u to admit that your vision is too short compared wt Vnese ?? :happy:

I don't engage in speculationism, my friend.

Say whatever u wanna say, but if u can not understand the core of Marx-Lenin's ideas, then u only can sit and watch US suck JP economy dry in TPP thanks for your cowardness.

Btw: why can not tell me what u will say when TPP ratiffied in 2018 and RMB fall to half in 2024 ?? Is it too hard for u to admit that your vision is too short compared wt Vnese ?? :happy:

Lastly, my friend, i suggest you look at your root. Who has been the greatest contributor and investor in Viet Nam ? The United States? Absolutely not.

1, Japan
2, Korea
3, China


Remember that. The United States offers divisive political machinations , nothing else. She , ultimately, sees your country as a tool to be used to disparage China in the SCS. I encourage you to broaden your mind and see the other side, outside of this anti-China sentiment , and consider how China, Korea and Japan have positively transformed Viet Nam's economy and industry, as well as infrastructure. No Thanks, mind you, to the West or America. They still have sanctions on you. Whereas Japan, China and Korea have been open to it.



Regards.
 
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IMAGINE YOURSELF crossing the borders between South Korea, Japan and China freely without the long, tedious, and complicated process of checking visas, luggage, and the purposes of visits. This is actually becoming a reality in the Europe through the Schengen Agreement. Can North East Asia (NEA) ever achieve a similar level of integration such as the European model? The combination of the Japanese economy, Chinese market, Korean technology, and similar cultural backgrounds, the integration would certainly be an ideal possibility. But is it feasible at all? *The Yonsei Annals* will explore the potential.


Why NEA integration all of sudden?

The talks of the NEA integration have been conceptualized ever since the economy of the region played a significant role in the global market with increasing trade and investment between the three countries. Never before in modern history has China, Japan, and Korea been as closely linked economically as they are now. An indication of their growing economic interaction is the fact that, Japan has become China's third-largest trading partner. More specifically, “1997 Asian Financial Crisis was one factor that triggered the NEA integration. The risk of being separated and having different reactions to the financial crisis motivated the region to cooperate even closer,” said Cho Hong-sik (Prof., Dept. of Political Science, Soongsil Univ.).

If regional integration in NEA is made possible, the most obvious fact is that students can seek opportunities supra-nationally. Their competition and goals are no longer bound to one nation. True globalization of intellectual interaction can be achieved through the NEA integration. Educational interaction at the college level is already actively taking place. Yonsei Univ. has contracted with UC Berkeley to build the East Asian Education Base with UC Berkeley by 2010. Through this base, students around the region can come and interact cooperatively and competitively with Korean students. Once the region harmonizes, Korea will be an ideal setting as the educational hub of NEA. “Korean students should use their soft power or knowledge to play a leading role in the region,” said Kim Ki-jung (Prof., Political Science, Yonsei Univ.).


Positive perspectives

There are some bright prospects to move NEA toward a closer alliance.

The population movement between the three nations is taking place at a very vigorous level, which is a positive sign that the region is moving closer to each other through active network of human resources. “Population movement within the region is a proxy indicator of measuring a region’s connectivity, reflecting how a region is functionally integrated in terms of social openness towards each other. To each state in NEA, foreign visitors in the region constitute a substantially large portion, confirming a dense connectivity and interdependent network in the region,” said Choi Jong-kun (Prof., Univ. of North Korean Studies).

Also, NEA is already economically interdependent. The level of integration and mutual benefits from trade and investments are already higher than that of Europe in its initial stage of integration. Some argue that NEA’s economic integration has already happened naturally without necessarily adopting artificial multilateral mechanisms. In 2002, China accounted for 60.8% of the total exports of Japan and 92.4% after a year. The free flow of trade, capital, investments, and technology has promoted overall growth of NEA economies. “These motivated modernization of China, economic recuperation of Japan, market-restructuring of South Korea, and steady economic growth for all,” said Choi. The recent IMF study also presented that trade within Asia increased by 850%.

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EU is different from the Asian model!

“People look at the EU as a prototype for the NEA integration but it is only one historical anomaly. We look at the EU and say, ‘we should make a regional integration, too’ just because the EU model was a successful one, not regarding the background differences,” said Choi. We should note that the fundamental backgrounds of the European integration and the NEA integration are different.

Historically, NEA is still an emotional battlefield whereas in Europe, Germany apologized repeatedly and made former subjugators not doubt their intentions. However, the issues of historically mis-worded school textbooks, the lack of a formal apology about comfort women during World War II, and continuous presidential visits to the Yasukuni shrine to pay tribute to Japanese war criminals are yet to be resolved. Therefore, a leadership or cooperative role from Japan is hardly expected in the near future. With the historical division between the regions and emotional discontent, any form of political policies for cooperation is bound to be blurred.

Also in terms of identity, NEA has a long way to go to amalgamate. “In the European model, co-existence and hybrid identical developments overcame nationalism,” said Kim. Jean Monnet, the founding father of the EU, had said, “I was born as a French but died as a European.” But in Asia, exclusive nationalism still prevails. Competition rather than cooperation is more common place. Although Europe is undergoing fundamental institutional change, with far-reaching efforts to redefine state prerogatives and a preference for multilateralism; Asia is characterized by marginal adjustments, insistence on state sovereignty and a preference for bilateralism.

The different impacts World War I and II had on the two separate regions can be held accountable too. In Europe, the United States actively built its alliance structure multi-nationally through NATO (North Atlantic Treaty of Organization). In Asia, by contrast, the United States forged a “hub and spoke” alliance, in which NEA relationships were connected bilaterally with the United States at the center. Security arrangements provided little basis for NEA to become more integrated. Even though there had been organizations to dialogue the security issue, they were conducted by scholars. Therefore, security cooperation was theory-based. Thus effort to find regional peace through realistic mechanisms is still lacking.



Korea plays a major role

In the integration of NEA, Korea’s role is crucial. Japan’s obstinate stance on its historical issue and China’s fast emerging global power will make the neighboring countries only restless. Here, Korea’s task of leadership is necessary. Also, geographically, Korea is situated in the middle of the NEA region of Russia, China, and Japan, where there are large markets of natural resources. Korea is the bridge of NEA, connecting the continent and the ocean. Making Korea the hub of prosperity, peace, technological development, and education should be one goal.

The popularity of the Korean Wave is increasing rapidly. It is a good sign that Korean culture is being shared and enjoyed by the two other neighboring countries which had historically, economically, and in terms of security, been in rivalry with Korea. “Cultural dialogue is not only a means for spreading attraction but also a common ground to share perception and ideas. Exchange of cultural dialogue means communication and more importantly, mutual understanding,” said Kim.

Between China and Japan, Korea seems to be inferior in that its voice would not be considered substantially, but this position can actually be used as leverage. “While constraint and suspicion between the NEA countries are steadily increasing, Korea should cooperate with Southeast Asian nations [as well as NEA nations]. Through this cooperation, Korea can have more authority in the region,” said Cho.

Of course, Korea needs to resolve the nuclear issue with North Korea, which is also important. However, ironically, this conflict can be used as an opportunity. For the first time in history, Japan, China, and Korea are agreeing on one issue, which is the denuclearization of North Korea without using force. Using this as the common united front, mutual understanding among the region can be strengthened.

Lastly, one important factor to note is that Koreans are spread across the continent. There are Russian-Koreans, Chinese-Koreans, and Japanese-Koreans who have been living in those regions ever since they left their home country as refugees of war. It is important to provide these Koreans with appropriate Korean education and evoke nationalism so that they will become a crucial intellectual resource to Korea. With these latent human resources scattered throughout the region, Korea can spread its influence more stably. With much more increased cultural and intellectual interaction between these host countries and Korea; the nations will be able to assimilate with one another.


In a nutshell

The NEA community for regional security is ideal as three major economies of the world cooperate through interdependence of market mechanisms. However, we should note the fact that European experience is an exception, not a model. It is like looking at an Armani suit which was made for lengthy and well-built Westerners and wanting to wear it when it is not even suitable for our body. Integration should be tailor-made so we should not clothe ourselves the way Europe did. In this era, the NEA integration does seem tough due to lack of common ideologies, unlike EU where democracy was held firmly by all members. Using Korea as the educational and economic hub of NEA is one key to the integration process. In addition, Korea has a vast amount of scattered Koreans living throughout the NEA region who can be used as a crucial resource to influence the continental society and politics.


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Process of European integration

After two major conflicts in the beginning of the 19th century, World War I and II, European states began to fear another potentially more intense war that would seriously shake the regional peace. Moreover, Soviet Union’s expanding communistic ideology that had been spreading throughout Central Europe added to the concerns of Western Europe and the United States. Thus, with the United States at the center, Europe found a way to search for cooperation not by means of war but by diplomatic means. The formation of Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe (CSCE) enabled Europe to pursue common security through cooperation. With cooperative security pursuit crystallizing itself, economic and monetary integration also became a reality. The formation of European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) contributed to the cooperation between formerly rival nations of Germany and France through active coal and steel trade. Now, the EU is a successful model for political, economic and social integration, even to the extent of eliminating the border check points.



Reference:
European Union the Sequel: North East Asian Union? - The Yonsei Annals


It's a good idea for East Asia to integrate closer. Cultural similarity fosters a strong base for common market, complementary advantages (scale of China plus niches of JP/SK/TW/HK) will further strengthen industrial supply chain.

From a financial perspective, note that ALL economies in East Asia (see the chart) are creditor economies, no exception (after South Korea weathered through the financial crisis and became a creditor nation since 2009 September). It's in East Asia's common interests to drive a creditor-favorable world order.

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The Chosun Ilbo (English Edition): Daily News from Korea - Korea Turns from Debtor to Creditor
 
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But TPP hasn't even been ratified or in operation. How can there by any sucking when the proverbial goose hasn't even laid its golden egg? I suggest you taken note of an old adage, "don't count your eggs before they even hatch!"





I don't engage in speculationism, my friend.



Lastly, my friend, i suggest you look at your root. Who has been the greatest contributor and investor in Viet Nam ? The United States? Absolutely not.

1, Japan
2, Korea
3, China


Remember that. The United States offers divisive political machinations , nothing else. She , ultimately, sees your country as a tool to be used to disparage China in the SCS. I encourage you to broaden your mind and see the other side, outside of this anti-China sentiment , and consider how China, Korea and Japan have positively transformed Viet Nam's economy and industry, as well as infrastructure. No Thanks, mind you, to the West or America. They still have sanctions on you. Whereas Japan, China and Korea have been open to it.



Regards.
I only wanna know what will u say when TPP ratiffied in 2018 and RMB fall to half. Why it so hard,bro ??
 
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It's a good idea for East Asia to integrate closer. Cultural similarity fosters a strong base for common market, complementary advantages (scale of China plus niches of JP/SK/TW/HK) will further strengthen industrial supply chain.

From a financial perspective, note that ALL economies in East Asia (see the chart) are creditor economies, no exception (after South Korea weathered through the financial crisis and became a creditor nation since 2009 September). It's in their common interests to drive creditor-favorable financial order.

The Chosun Ilbo (English Edition): Daily News from Korea - Korea Turns from Debtor to Creditor

Bro,

Yes, absolutely that is a wonderful exemplification of the Region's (NEA) fiscal goals. I should also say that the region (NEA) is also leading in global patent applications , indicating immense ideation and proven entrepreneurial-ism amongst East Asian Nations.

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Notice China's, Japan's and Korea's application here. Look at the rest of the 'competitors', lol. Besides America, really, the West and Central, South Asia, respectively, are so far behind........

I only wanna know what will u say when TPP ratiffied in 2018 and RMB fall to half. Why it so hard,bro ??

My sweet, don't you know Japan is vested in another process, which will be more useful to us:

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Northeast Asia Diplomacy: A Trilateral Way Forward? | The Diplomat

China-Japan-South Korea Hold FTA Talks Despite Political Tension | The Diplomat
 
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But it wont save JP from hungry USA.

Btw: Seem like u learned well from mistake Cnese made when thinking "RMB is one of the most stable currency...", thats why, u dont answer to my question....

But, nothing change in the real life. 90%TPP come out in 2018, and thats the end for JP-CN's miracle cos you guya dare not conduct the " violent revolt." to US to take down Capitalism as Marx said :)
 
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But it wont save JP from hungry USA.

Btw: Seem like u learned well from mistake Cnese made when thinking "RMB is one of the most stable currency...", thats why, u dont answer to my question....

But, nothing change in the real life. 90%TPP come out in 2018, and thats the end for JP-CN's miracle cos you guya dare not conduct the " violent revolt." to US to take down Capitalism as Marx said :)

My very patriotic Viet Nam friend,

I feel like we are debating in circles here with really no conclusion or point of reflection that can be indicative of high volume intellectual growth. Thus , i think its necessary we end our discourse here as I feel that I ...how to say this softly ...believe we have reached an impasse.

Your TPP banter is inconsequential and relatively insignificant in context to NEA.

Have a good day.
 
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My very patriotic Viet Nam friend,

I feel like we are debating in circles here with really no conclusion or point of reflection that can be indicative of high volume intellectual growth. Thus , i think its necessary we end our discourse here as I feel that I ...how to say this softly ...believe we have reached an impasse.

Your TPP banter is inconsequential and relatively insignificant in context to NEA.

Have a good day.
Its not in circle cos 2018 is close and Ah Q "spiritual victory" will go busted.

I do hope to see a smarter and better vision from E.Asian guys, at least, I can see some improvement from Cnese, they dare not feel so confident abt their power like in Jan,2015 any more, some of them also admit that RMB may fall to half....but seem like Im losing hope from a Jpese like u, bro...
 
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Bro,

Yes, absolutely that is a wonderful exemplification of the Region's (NEA) fiscal goals. I should also say that the region (NEA) is also leading in global patent applications , indicating immense ideation and proven entrepreneurial-ism amongst East Asian Nations.

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Notice China's, Japan's and Korea's application here. Look at the rest of the 'competitors', lol. Besides America, really, the West and Central, South Asia, respectively, are so far behind........


Thanks. I have checked WIPO and written a thread earlier on the subject. Check this: WIPO Global Ranking – 2015 Edition

Yes China has the scale however when it comes down to per capita, China (587) only ranks number 9 in the world. World leaders are South Korea (3,254), Japan (2,092). China has demonstrated strong momentum in R&D growth since 2005, however I believe SK and JP will still maintain a lead in patent density (per capita) in the foreseeable future.

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Also, I believe China should take experience from Japan and SK in patent concentration. Put it in simple terms, that's building large corporations. Despite China has a far bigger national base of R&D in the world, but 7 out of top 10 patent filing companies (2003-2012) were from Japan, 2 from South Korea. I expect more Chinese companies to get into Top 100 in the coming decade, the recent merger of aero-engine R&D/assets is a good example (link: China to Finalize Plans for $22 Billion Plane-Engine Giant - Bloomberg Business

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