Norinco VT-4 MBT

[TeesraIndiotHunter]

If it turns out that the MBT-3000/VT-4 is the Al-Khalid II then that will be TRULY EMBARRASSING for Pakistan because the Chinese are developing our Tanks for us and all of our indigenization hype was nothing more than brain farts.

True that!!!

First lets hope the Al-Khalid and the MBT-3000 aren't the same Tank before we reach any conclusions.

Well, according to all reports...and senior members who have connects in HIT...Al Khalid-II is a different tank than VT-4 with different gun, suspension/transmission etc, and engine etc.

Lets wait and see...

 

[Beast]

We would get them with TOT and produce according to our needs

It will still cost lots of money. Production line? Material? Train crew? You are talking as if TOT don't cost money. In order to get better percentage of TOT, a large license fee needs to be paid.

The best solution is to buy this in a small quantity to form a elite mechanised. AK1 and AK2 will form the remaning.

 

[kolinsky]

From the video, the VT-4 turret gun stabiliser is extremely advance and stable that it is able to maintain stagnant while the whole chasis is rotating on uneven surface.

To be honest, this stabilizer is not camparable to Leopard A7. I have seen the Leopard A7 once, its vertical responding time it shorter, the horizontal I cannot tell.

VT-4 is impressive and i hope that Pakistan does acquire a large number of them to replace our aging fleet of Type-59's/69's, but the AK2 is supposed to be Pakistan's own indigenous effort and if it turns out that they're both the same Tank then that would only prove that the Chinese have been designing and testing our Tanks for us because we are incapable of doing so on our own.

No offensive. The whole industry of Pakistan is incapable to build high quality tanks. So do isreal. Metallurgical industry is the key of tanks from chasis, turret, gun, engine to armor. That is a huge project, if Pakistan has no strong metallurgical industry. Isreal also imports steels to build their own tanks. As I said, to develop a new version for Pakistan should be a serious problem. The best thing is to build yourselves adaptive control component for upgrading. Some parts, e.g. guns, american also use german guns, just buy one, but the controlling is always in secret, you can do yourselves and be adaptive. Once tech break through, all tank can be upgraded. So do the sensors, research the sensors, and you can sale them with the chinese tanks, When we want to save our secret, we may use a Pakistan sensor instead.

You must imported many parts for AK2. Look at K2 of Korea, they buy many parts but still buggy.To build a new Tank is much harder than upgrade one. The price of K2 is unbelievable, as well as the Altay from Turky and Arjun. I donot think this tech routine is a good choice for the countries want to develop own tanks, their price are more than 8 mil dollors per each. The isreal airforce's routine is very interesting, they buy era breaking platforms and build their own applications on the platform. When new platform is available, just integrate their applications to the new platform, Sometimes the USA buy components from isreal for their own flights.

 

[Beast]

To be honest, this stabilizer is not camparable to Leopard A7. I have seen the Leopard A7 once, its vertical responding time it shorter, the horizontal I cannot tell.

Prove it. I doubt your words.

Mind you. This is probably the most common variant of Type96A send for competition. They are better one in PLA. And I can bet VT-4 will be much much better than this Type96A.

 

[nomi007]

 

[kolinsky]

Prove it. I doubt your words.

I just see the video of VT4 and i have seen the exhibition of a Leopard A7 in Germany. If the camera is fixed, when the VT4 driving throw the hill, there are small responding times. As far as I remember Leopard A7 has a very stabilized gun, I can not feel the responding time. The horizontal i donot know. VT4 overcomes Leopard A7, that is the real thing to prove.....

The T96a movie has a even ground, come on....

 

[Zarvan]

It will still cost lots of money. Production line? Material? Train crew? You are talking as if TOT don't cost money. In order to get better percentage of TOT, a large license fee needs to be paid.

The best solution is to buy this in a small quantity to form a elite mechanised. AK1 and AK2 will form the remaning.

If we would get them than we would go for at least 500 off these but I think number would be 800

 

[Beast]

I just see the video of VT4 and i have seen the exhibition of a Leopard A7 in Germany. If the camera is fixed, when the VT4 driving throw the hill, there are small responding times. As far as I remember Leopard A7 has a very stabilized gun, I can not feel the responding time. The horizontal i donot know. VT4 overcomes Leopard A7, that is the real thing to prove.....

The T96a movie has a even ground, come on....

First of all, you are assuming lots of thing. When VT-4 going down hill. Are you sure its main gun stabiliser is on? You are assuming its lock on which I doubt as its travelling. It will be hilarious if you are just come to your conclusion just based on its travelling mode which proves nothing.

As for the video of Type96a. Its travelling off road. Can you show a video of Leopard A7 going for a foreign competition going at that speed ,off road and yet still score 3 out of 3 shots with no mistake? In compeition, especially a foreign compeition. There is no way to rig that shot. While I have seen many western demonstration video or promotion video will always show you the good side and always present the best with plenty of edition.

As I say, prove it. Instead of your assumption and groundless speculation that Leopard A7 has better stabiliser gun than VT-4 based on stereotyping.

If we would get them than we would go for at least 500 off these but I think number would be 800

I think is a tall order.

 

[kolinsky]

First of all, you are assuming lots of thing. When VT-4 going down hill. Are you sure its main gun stabiliser is on? You are assuming its lock on which I doubt as its travelling. It will be hilarious if you are just come to your conclusion just based on its travelling mode which proves nothing.

Come on, if the stabilizer is off, the gun is stabilized by whom?

What is your point? Donot debate for debate, yah? My fellow.

As a Chines, moment I have no bare face to say VT4 overcomes Leopard A7, whatever..... just say what you like.

 

[Beast]

Come on, if the stabilizer is off, the gun is stabilized by whom?

What is your point? Donot debate for debate, yah? My fellow.

As a Chines, moment I have no bare face to say VT4 overcomes Leopard A7, whatever..... just say what you like.

If stabilizer is off while it's travelling, does it mean the gun will drop off by itself? So what do it needs to be stabilise? I do not get what you trying to ask?

And now you are avoiding my question with many of your assumption which I needs to clarify with at least video or some facts.
Yet you come out nothing concrete which proves you are just rubbishing.

Remember you are the one who bring in leopard a7 in this thread the first place, not me. Now prove it instead of avoiding my question with stereo typing.

 

[kolinsky]

If stabilizer is off while it's travelling, does it mean the gun will drop off by itself? So what do it needs to be stabilise? I do not get what you trying to ask?

And now you are avoiding my question with many of your assumption which I needs to clarify with at least video or some facts.
Yet you come out nothing concrete which proves you are just rubbishing.

Remember you are the one who bring in leopard a7 in this thread the first place, not me. Now prove it instead of avoiding my question with stereo typing.

hah, if the stabilizer is off, why do they make a video for us to watch, what is the thing to watch? What kind of idiot will make such a film in the exhibition.

I mean you should say what somebody else can believe you. Even I am doubt about VT4 is really better than T96A, from the rough statistic may be, the details may be not. Generally VT4 < 99A2 < Leopard A7, that is the sequence I can believe, your ordering, i am sorry.

Yes i brougt Leopard A7 to this thread, so what? So I am responsible to give you all information about A7? I am not a spy, you asked a wrong person. What is wrong with you?

 

[Dazzler]

It will still cost lots of money. Production line? Material? Train crew? You are talking as if TOT don't cost money. In order to get better percentage of TOT, a large license fee needs to be paid.

The best solution is to buy this in a small quantity to form a elite mechanised. AK1 and AK2 will form the remaning.

it is a standard procedure between norinco and HIT since the famous type-59 mbt deal, followed by type-85IIAP. VT-4 (IF bought) will follow a similar course

 

[Zarvan]

it is a standard procedure between norinco and HIT since the famous type-59 mbt deal, followed by type-85IIAP. VT-4 (IF bought) will follow a similar course

If you have sources in Army try to confirm weather tests have started or not

 

[Dazzler]

If you have sources in Army try to confirm weather tests have started or not

will have to visit some friends

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The 50th stupid thread with Sufi zarvan repeatin the same thing again and again..all over a tid bid from a forum member..


Going for MBT-3000 doesn't even make sense when HIT is working on AK-2!