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WASHINGTON: A senior US official has said that Washington is not offering waiver to any country from curbs on commercial deals with Iran and so far, the restriction applies to India as well, which is a major importer of oil from Iran.

Alice G. Wells, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia, said in a conference call with journalists on Monday that restrictions also apply to investments in Iran’s Chahbahar port, a project built with India’s cooperation.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1432397/no-waiver-to-india-for-iranian-oil-chabahar-port-us

Now this was bound to happen but some Indian members on this forum were living in a fools world and expecting waivers like Obama gave them last time.
I kept saying consistently that this time their will be no waivers but all Indian members kept saying otherwise.

S400 will come under sanctions as well. So lets see what India decides and how independent their foreign policy really is.
 
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The two sides also talked about how US expects other countries to bring their oil imports from Iran “down to zero as quickly as possible” and on US efforts to ensure that the restrictions do not disrupt the market, she said. The US has assured the Indians that adequate supplies are readily available that could be easily substituted for Iranian oil, the US official added.
The Americans will simply call their friends in Saudia Arabia who of course will be more then happy to fill the deficit created. I believe KSA has enough flexibility to increase production to offest Iranian oil that is removed from the market.

And what was that about Chah again?
 
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India and US have already come to a tacit understanding at 2+2 meet that India will reduce Iran oil imports by only 40-50% and in return US will simply ignore the remaining imports. That is US will neither impose sanctions nor give a public waiver..
Even after 50% reduction India will still remain 2nd largest Iran Oil importer by far as we will still import $7-8 billion Iran oil.

Meanwhile South Korea and Japan have already stopped Iran oil imports.

As for Chabahar there will never be any sanctions as it is part of shared vision of US-India to bypass Pakistan on Afghanistan.
In fact just today there was trilateral between Iran, India and Afghanistan on Chabahar:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chab...iran-and-afghanistan-trilateral-talks.576901/

Also the above article does not indicate anything as US officials are forced to make statements in public that are tough on Iran but behind the scenes agreed to Indian concerns.

Meanwhile Pakistan totally failed to standup to US sanctions and has fully stopped all oil imports from Iran for several years ago till present.
 
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Well Gangadesh is the supa pawa and it has turned officially ham-jins parast phir bhi uncle khush nahin hua... ab what's next?
 
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India and US have already come to a tacit understanding at 2+2 meet that India will reduce Iran oil imports by only 40-50% and in return US will simply ignore the remaining imports. That is US will neither impose sanctions nor give a public waiver..
Even after 50% reduction India will still remain 2nd largest Iran Oil importer by far as we will still import $7-8 billion Iran oil.

As for Chabahar there will never be any sanctions as it is part of shared vision of US-India to bypass Pakistan on Afghanistan.
I think you need to read what Alice Wells said again. If only you would stop watching your Ultra Nationalistic media, you'll come to understand what is going on in the world.
And you'll see Indian companies making excuses to stop Importing Iranian oil like your State run Bharat Petroleum.

And what was that about Chah again?
You mean to say the port which was supposed to replace Gwadar and make CPEC useless.
Well now that port will be only used to import more Kulbushan's.
 
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India and US have already come to a tacit understanding at 2+2 meet that India will reduce Iran oil imports by only 40-50% and in return US will simply ignore the remaining imports. That is US will neither impose sanctions nor give a public waiver..
Even after 50% reduction India will still remain 2nd largest Iran Oil importer by far as we will still import $7-8 billion Iran oil.

Meanwhile South Korea and Japan have already stopped Iran oil imports.

As for Chabahar there will never be any sanctions as it is part of shared vision of US-India to bypass Pakistan on Afghanistan.
In fact just today there was trilateral between Iran, India and Afghanistan on Chabahar:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chab...iran-and-afghanistan-trilateral-talks.576901/

Also the above article does not indicate anything as US officials are forced to make statements in public that are tough on Iran but behind the scenes agreed to Indian concerns.

Meanwhile Pakistan totally failed to standup to US sanctions and has fully stopped all oil imports from Iran for several years ago till present.


Keep Pakistan out of your diatribes. Its your sh|t deal with it. we have no dog in this fight. And while you at it, always remember, once there was something called IPI pipeline which was shelved when India buckled into American pressure.

Coming back to the topic, let me know which part of the following you did not understand:

Ms Wells – who was briefing journalists on the two-plus-two talks between the US and India, held in New Delhi on Sept 6 – said there was no “blanket waiver or country-specific waiver” from US sanctions on trading with or investing in Iran.

Keyword is "trading" and "investment". Oil is traded, and Chahbahar is "investment".
 
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India will getva waiver ....Economically it is not feasible to fill the gap for Iran oil...
 
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@waz @The Eagle please there are multiple threads running in the same topic please merge the threads.

It will be easy for us to discuss and exchange ideas.

The Americans will simply call their friends in Saudia Arabia who of course will be more then happy to fill the deficit created. I believe KSA has enough flexibility to increase production to offest Iranian oil that is removed from the market.

And what was that about Chah again?

Americans themselves can fill the deficit. Why do they say cheers with KSA? Making America great again?
 
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What the US Iran Sanctions Mean for India
India’s diplomatic predicament just got worse.

By Paras Ratna
August 08, 2018


The Iranian nuclear deal fiasco has made the whole world anxious. U.S. President Donald Trump announced on May 8 that the United States will withdraw from the deal and planned to reinstate sanctions against the Iranian government. The sanctions were reimposed this week, making good on Trump’s threat.

The scrapping of the nuclear deal is bound to have widespread repercussions for the regional security architecture in particular and global polity in general. Given New Delhi’s engagement not only with the United States and Iran but also with other significant Middle East countries like the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Israel, the diplomatic headache resulting from these sanctions has multiplied for India.

Between a Rock and a Hard Place

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India is increasingly finding itself between a rock and a hard place following the Trump administration’s unilateral withdrawal from the nuclear deal. U.S. Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley’s advice for India “to rethink their relationship with Iran” shows Washington’s attempt to manipulate India. For New Delhi, though, changing the relationship with Tehran is easier said than done.

India and Iran share historical ties, though this dimension of the India-Iran relationship is often ignored. The two shared common borders until the partition of the subcontinent in 1947. Persian influence on Mughal architecture is pervasive. Formal diplomatic ties between India and Iran were established in 1950. Presently, Iran is India’s third largest supplier of crude oil. However, the India-Iran relationship transcends oil. India, with an investment of $500 million, aims to develop Iran’s Chabahar port as a transit hub for Afghanistan, Central Asia, and the International North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC). Additionally, India is developing two gas fields, namely Farzad-B gas field located in Tehran and the South Pars field located between Iran and Qatar. These projects clearly highlight India’s long-term engagement with Iran.

U.S. sanctions would severely stymie the above projects and investments. Although these sanctions are unilateral sanctions, imposed by Washington alone, the Trump administration has made it clear that no company or country dealing with Iran would be given access to the U.S. financial and banking system. More than 80 percent of India’s oil is imported through foreign tankers, thereby making India’s energy security contingent upon the U.S. sanctions. Similarly, the sanctions would impact investments in Chabahar as well as Farzad and South Pars oil field. Foreign companies and even Indian multinational companies with operations in the United States or dependent on the American financial system are planning to withdraw operations from Iran with the advent of sanctions. The State Bank of India has already announced it will suspend payment operations in Iran starting from November. Reliance Industries Limited (RIL) too has decided to halt its oil imports from Iran.

In the past, India was able to successfully negotiate waivers pertaining to Iran from the United States. The previous Obama administration maintained sanctions on Iran but granted waivers to India. Now, New Delhi aims for an arrangement of the same kind with the Trump administration. At a time when both India and the United States want to forge a strong relationship, diplomatic dexterity should be prioritized over transactional orthodoxy. Iran shouldn’t be allowed to be the third wheel in India-U.S. relations.

However, there is more at stake for India than its relationship to Washington. In addition to the above complexities, India needs to maintain the fragile Shia-Sunni balance while simultaneously factoring in the concerns of Iran’s rival Gulf nations like Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Besides oil, these countries have a huge Indian diaspora and are also the largest source of remittances (accounting for approximately 36 percent of the total India receives). There have been already attempts by Saudi Arabia and UAE to entice India. Companies like Saudi Aramco and Abu Dhabi National Company (ADNOC) have promised to invest $44 billion — roughly amounting to a 50 percent stake — in Ratnagiri Refinery and Petrochemical Limited (RRPCL). However, the actual materialization of these deals needs to be assessed carefully before taking any decision.

India should also pay attention to the Chinese dimension. The renewed U.S. sanctions would force Iran to drift sharply toward non-Western powers like Russia and more so toward China. Chinese officials often characterize the relationship with Iran as “20 centuries of cooperation” and Beijing has shown no intention to scale down those ties. Iran, owing to its geography, plays a crucial role in China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). China could leverage this as an opportunity to further consolidate its hold. There is a possibility of a petrol yuan emerging, with China using its renminbi in transaction with Iran, an important step toward the internationalization of the Chinese currency. China-Iran engagement will undermine the impact of U.S. sanctions and put Beijing on the higher ground vis-a-vis countries like India and the United States. Thus, India needs to carefully asses these situations while formulating its response.

What Should India Do?

India should strongly argue for waivers regarding oil trade (given Iran’s importance to Indian energy security) and critical projects like Chabahar port. The absence of Iranian oil could shoot up prices in the oil market, subsequently raising India’s import bill; with elections around the corner, a hike in oil prices could mean tough times for the Modi government. India can contemplate lowering tariffs for U.S. goods in exchange for a sanctions waiver. New Delhi also needs to strongly push for Chabahar and frame it in tandem with Trump’s objectives in Afghanistan – the port would reduce Afghanistan’s dependence on Pakistan and would allow India to engage more constructively in the region.

India should negotiate with Iran for a rupee-rial system and efforts should be made to revive Irano-Hind, a jointly owned shipping company that was shut down in 2013. Further, India should coordinate with EU countries along with Russia and China to promote the Iran nuclear deal or any alternative arrangement, in case the United States remains firm on sanctions. India needs to do a holistic assessment of the situation and not tie itself to any particular country.

Paras Ratna is a postgraduate from Tata Institute of Social Sciences and is currently working as Project


https://thediplomat.com/2018/08/what-the-us-iran-sanctions-mean-for-india/
 
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It would all depend on what US is offering for reducing ties with Iran.


This is what the article says,

In the past, India was able to successfully negotiate waivers pertaining to Iran from the United States. The previous Obama administration maintained sanctions on Iran but granted waivers to India. Now, New Delhi aims for an arrangement of the same kind with the Trump administration.
 
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This is what the article says,
The thing to bear in mind is this. This is not about India. It is Trump's desire and he of course represents a powerful lobby in USA out to get Iran. This lobby is supported Israel and the Jewish lobbies inside USA. They were behind the undoing of the nuclear deal.

The problem for Americans and Trump is if they give waivers to India the sanctions against Iran get castrated. What is the point of sanctions if you give waivers to those who buy Iranian oil? I mean it's not that the sanctions are designed to prevent Somalia, Togo, Maldves, Monte Carlo from buyting Iranian oil. They don't buy from Iran anyway. For sanctions to work they have to address those countries who buy Iranian oil and India is a big buyer.

If Trump gives India waivers the question will be what was the point of sanctions? To stop Somalia from buying Iranian oil? For sanctions to work India and other big buyers have to stop. It's going to be interesting how Trump resolves this conundrum. Wanting to hurt Iran but then blessing Iran by giving them licence to escape the sanctions?

So the question here is simple. Will Trump let Iran escape the sanction comes this November?
 
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