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WASHINGTON: Recent experiences indicate that the United States cannot win the war in Afghanistan without Pakistan’s support, says US military chief Gen Joseph Dunford.

And US Defence Secretary James Mattis has said that a recent decision to stop reimbursements to the Pakistani military was not part of a tougher new US policy for Pakistan but it did reflect ground realities.

Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff General Joseph Dunford underlined Pakistan’s role in bringing peace to Afghanistan at the Aspen Security Forum in California on Sunday, when he was asked if the ongoing review of the US Afghan policy included Pakistan.

“Absolutely. I mean this is from New Delhi to Tehran when we talk about South Asia and a critical element of our strategy in the region has to be Pakistan,” said Gen Dunford while explaining that the Trump administration was reviewing its policies for the entire South Asian region and not just Afghanistan.

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“And we cannot be successful in Afghanistan — we’ve seen that over the last several years — unless we have a higher degree of cooperation from Pakistan. So Pakistan is absolutely an integral part of the strategic review that’s ongoing,” said the US general, stressing Pakistan’s key role in the region as well as in Afghanistan.

At a news briefing on Friday, Secretary Mattis was asked if his recent refusal to certify Pakistan’s cooperation in eliminating the Haqqani network was part of the new strategy that the White House and Pentagon experts were working on.

“No. This is simply an assessment of the current state of play. It’s not a — it’s not a policy. It is a reality. You know, we’re just defining the realities,” Mr Mattis said in his response.

The refusal blocked about $50 million of reimbursement to the Pakistani military and may affect future reimbursements and military assistance, until the secretary certifies that Islamabad has taken sufficient steps against the Haqqani network.

At the Aspen seminar, Gen Dunford also warned against placing artificial timelines on operations in Afghanistan, as the Obama administration did when it announced its intent to withdraw all US troops from there by 2014.

Putting a timeline was not good for the confidence of the Afghan people, and it caused hedging behaviour in the region as well, he said. “It undermines our cooperation with Pakistan if they don’t believe we will be there long enough to establish security and stability,” he added.

The general said he could give details of the ongoing review but he believed that a strategy had to “provide more capability on the ground” for it to have a chance of being successful. “And so I do believe that additional forces for the Afghan security forces would make them more competitive” and would help the conventional forces combat the militants with “more power”, he added.

Published in Dawn, July 26th, 2017
 
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the American generals on the ground see daily pakistani gains against the terror cells. we fight ourselves with limited resources and our troops pay in pakistani blood. a man defending his home is worth ten hired thugs. pakistani soldiers fight for pakistan. what are the yanks in Afghanistan fighting for? American ideology that gets them nothing and thousands of miles away agaist a people they don't know and don't understand.
personally I think pakistan should assist in the stress of US and allied troops in Afghanistan whist making the US pay for any assistance in advance. America is not, has never been and will never be a friend to anyone. it doesn't have friends its has needs.
 
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it should be "WE (US military) can't win Afghan war without Pakistan's help"
 
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it should be "WE (US military) can't win Afghan war without Pakistan's help"
US military is capable of defeating any foe in the battlefield. Problem is that they were never took Afghanistan seriously. They paid more attention to the Middle East then Afghanistan.

They are taking ZERO action against recent advances of Taliban. And some of them are blaming Pakistan for it. Sometimes I wonder WTF is wrong with US.

This isn't the US of WW2 era which was determined to go to any lengths to win the war no matter the odds, and the entire nation was united behind such effort.

We see a US today that is politically conflicted (internally) and not interested in winning its wars. Obama administration was arguably the worst thing happen to US in recent years and many Americans don't realize it.

They did achieve notable successes in Iraq and Libya but they have no vision for Afghanistan. Hopefully, Trump administration will address this matter in adequate manner.

Time for US to demonstrate renewed commitment to Afghan front and do its part in eradicating forces of terrorism in the region. Pakistan cannot do it alone and neither we should be held responsible for mess in Afghanistan.

Pakistani COAS should tell the Americans in plain words that they need to get their act together in Afghanistan and do the needful. Pakistan will offer assistance but no backstabbing and scheming this time.
 
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USA will lose more ground by offending Pakistan they have to negotiate their future in Afghanistan by removing Indian terrorism against Pakistan from there. Else.. let things roll on and see what happens to them and Indians. Pakistan is on stronger and stable grounds towards Afghanistan than both of them combined.
 
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V turn? double standards galore! Honestly it's time to wrap up with the US let them find their supply route through Iran.
 
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There is no military victory in Afghanistan. Period.

War has brought nothing to Afghanistan but senseless bloodshed. What Afghanistan needs is peace and it needs peace yesterday. Unfortunately, the cast of characters, President Ghani & Co., who are in charge of Afghanistan's affairs cannot bring peace because they are focused on infighting. The result is blame games.
 
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US military is capable of defeating any foe in the battlefield. Problem is that they were never took Afghanistan seriously. They paid more attention to the Middle East then Afghanistan.

They are taking ZERO action against recent advances of Taliban. And some of them are blaming Pakistan for it. Sometimes I wonder WTF is wrong with US.

This isn't the US of WW2 era which was determined to go to any lengths to win the war no matter the odds, and the entire nation was united behind such effort.

We see a US today that is politically conflicted (internally) and not interested in winning its wars. Obama administration was arguably the worst thing happen to US in recent years and many Americans don't realize it.

They did achieve notable successes in Iraq and Libya but they have no vision for Afghanistan. Hopefully, Trump administration will address this matter in adequate manner.

Time for US to demonstrate renewed commitment to Afghan front and do its part in eradicating forces of terrorism in the region. Pakistan cannot do it alone and neither we should be held responsible for mess in Afghanistan.

Pakistani COAS should tell the Americans in plain words that they need to get their act together in Afghanistan and do the needful. Pakistan will offer assistance but no backstabbing and scheming this time.


The fundamental assessment of U.S. and ISAF for Afghanistan is wrong. Hekmatyar said something interesting this week but TOLO wrapped his remarks vis-à-vis U.S. so I didn't post it here to avoid the thread becoming anti-U.S. fest but here are the remarks:

“It is a reality that neither the Afghan government nor foreign troops can win the war. This war has no winner,” Hekmatyar added.

Source: Hekmatyar Casts Doubt Over U.S’s Success In Afghanistan

I've held a similar opinion that there cannot be a military victory in Afghanistan. Taliban have fought for decades and could fight on for decades more. You cannot defeat them militarily, not in the terrain of Afghanistan and certainly not with ANA. The only way one can defeat Taliban is ideologically. For that you need peace. Ghani can give you everything but that. The line of thought Trump and his advisers are taking is essentially a search for "victory". In short, this dog and pony show will continue.
 
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The fundamental assessment of U.S. and ISAF for Afghanistan is wrong. Hekmatyar said something interesting this week but TOLO wrapped his remarks vis-à-vis U.S. so I didn't post it here to avoid the thread becoming anti-U.S. fest but here are the remarks:

“It is a reality that neither the Afghan government nor foreign troops can win the war. This war has no winner,” Hekmatyar added.

Source: Hekmatyar Casts Doubt Over U.S’s Success In Afghanistan

I've held a similar opinion that there cannot be a military victory in Afghanistan. Taliban have fought for decades and could fight on for decades more. You cannot defeat them militarily, not in the terrain of Afghanistan and certainly not with ANA. The only way one can defeat Taliban is ideologically. For that you need peace. Ghani can give you everything but that. The line of thought Trump and his advisers are taking is essentially a search for "victory". In short, this dog and pony show will continue.
Bro,

Perhaps that is true. However, US needs to give 'military action' against Taliban another try; inaction will not stop them or force them to negotiation table.

US is incredibly resourceful but it needs a clear-cut Afghan policy in order to reshape its future. Problem is that US continues to focus on developments in Middle East and has not taken Afghan front as seriously as it should. And then we are subjected to blame-game.

Both US and Pakistan need to sort this matter with renewed terms of engagement. I hope this happens in a positive way.
 
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Why US is looking for victory and not looking for 'Peace' in Afghanistan.

The USA only wants victory. It raises American prestige. It buys their politicians votes. It builds their influence. Peace in Afghanistan is useless for them. What benefits will peace in Afghanistan bring for them? Its not like Americans are dying in Afghanistan. It is the Afghans who are dying and Pakistan which is affected by the fallout.

Bro,

Perhaps that is true. However, US needs to give 'military action' against Taliban another try; inaction will not stop them or force them to negotiation table.

US is incredibly resourceful but it needs a clear-cut Afghan policy in order to reshape its future. Problem is that US continues to focus on developments in Middle East and has not taken Afghan front as seriously as it should.

The problem with the failure of the military action in Afghanistan is that the USA has been unable to build functioning Afghan institutions after it clears an area. The people it is supporting are utterly corrupt and the Taliban are the only force which provide any semblance of governance in the country. The result is that the Taliban return with the support of the people as soon as the Americans leave. Watch documentaries on youtube about this. It is fascinating how corrupt the Afghan government is and even Western journalists confirm how Taliban are better than them.
 
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