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No to operation in North Waziristan Agency

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The NYT article was a hit piece if I have ever seen one. Worthless journalism.

“We are helpless… Can we fight America?”

Even bollywood can not come up with better anti-pakistan scripts. I predict the next statements attributed to Pakistani military in the US media will go something like this:

"Americans are so tall and brave...we must obey them"
"If the Americans say that NWA is the problem...we have to believe them as they are superior to us"
 
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“On one hand they are talking to Mullah Omar’s aide, but on the other the Taliban leader is on the list of the five men that they (the Americans) want to be taken out”

These Pakistani officials seem to mix up practical hypocrisy with logical contradictions. Killing Omar won't stop the insurgency, perhaps talking to Omar might. Cut out a Pakistan that lacks either the motivation or the power to enable peace - perhaps it is Pakistan's fault that Omar won't make peace? We'll see. Mullah Omar's ball for now, I guess - unless Pakistan mounts some sort of operation against him on its own.

You snooze, you lose. And maybe one day soon the map of South Asia will change to reflect that!
 
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US safeguarding millions terrorists and most wanted Balouch leader in its safe haven while asking us to take action on North Waziristan !!

NO!
 
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Until the western/Afghan and Indian terror networks are dismantled in Afghanistan before Pakistan is asked to do anything more.

The answer is get the ******* out.
 
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The NYT article was a hit piece if I have ever seen one. Worthless journalism.

“We are helpless… Can we fight America?”

Even bollywood can not come up with better anti-pakistan scripts. I predict the next statements attributed to Pakistani military in the US media will go something like this:

"Americans are so tall and brave...we must obey them"
"If the Americans say that NWA is the problem...we have to believe them as they are superior to us"

The Military officials at the NDU, that the NYT maligned for being 'conspiracy theorists' since they believed the CIA controlled the US media, actually have it completely correct, given the propaganda we see on display in the American media.
 
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Thats what I am pointing out. Don't do what Americans are doing cause they made the same mistake. South Vietnam suffered. Pakistan will suffer when the U.S. negotiates a peace settlement which the Taliban will violate. Don't you remember the Swat Valley fiasco? Its your country, don't listen to the Americans. Attack the Taliban before its too late.
 
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No to operation in North Waziristan Agency

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The writer was a Ford Scholar at the Programme in Arms Control, Disarmament and International Security at UIUC (1997) and a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution’s Foreign Policy Studies Programme

Should the Pakistan Army launch an operation in North Waziristan Agency (NWA)? Short answer: No. Is the so-called Haqqani network as deadly for US-Nato-Isaf troops as American official and media blitz suggests? No. Let’s consider these questions in reverse order.

Going by US and western intelligence and military accounts, the network operates in the velayats of Paktia, Paktika, Khost, Logar and Ghazni. Let’s also add Nangarhar to this list. Since 2001 to wit, according to The official US list of fatalities, the number killed in these areas from the combined US-Nato-Isaf troops are Paktia (1), Khost (39), Logar (37), Ghazni (74), Paktika (118) and Nangarhar (43). (NB: These statistics also include fatalities caused by non-hostile factors, including accidents involving road and helicopter crashes, weapons mishandling etc. See casualties.org/OEF/Index.aspx)

The total number of fatalities in these six velayats comes to 312. Compare this with Helmand (730), Kandahar (370), Kunar (153), Kabul (136), Zabul (99), Oruzgan (64), Parwan (54). If one adds up the numbers of fatalities, it should be clear that the fighting has been far more intense in the southern, central and north-eastern areas than where the network has been operating, with the exception of Paktika. Also, the eastern provinces combined have seen fewer fatalities this year than the average for one suicide attack in Pakistan.

Which brings us to the pressing issue of operational priorities: What groups should Pakistan operate against — those that are attacking Pakistani people and security forces or those that operate inside Afghanistan? Given limited resources and the stretch faced by the Pakistan Army, any commander would focus attention on the threat in his own area rather than pick up a fight with those who are not fighting his troops. As for the differential in resources, just one figure would be enough. So far, given US and other fatalities from improvised explosive devices (IEDs), the Joint IED Defeat Organisation (JIEDDO), a Pentagon agency, has spent $20 billion to develop techniques and equipment to counter the IED threat. Does this number sound familiar? Well, it equals the hyped figure of ‘aid’ that is supposed to have come to Pakistan since 2002 for the latter’s entire war effort, as well as under multiple other heads!

Pakistan is already facing a full-blown insurgency and urban terrorism by groups based in Fata and just across in Afghanistan. A recent development relates to well-staged and managed attacks from across the Durand Line on its posts in Lower Dir and Bajaur. The pattern of attacks and numbers employed show the attacking force is free to form up inside Afghanistan, has a secure line of communication to the base, can freely advance to the border, ingress, launch a surprise attack and exfiltrate. Surely, with all the radars, sensor-mounted balloons and unmanned drones, such movement should not go undetected. Apparently it does!

Pakistan’s experience also shows that no one area can be identified as the Centre of Gravity (COG) of this threat. The two US assumptions that NWA is the COG of Afghan insurgency and that once the Haqqani network is taken out, the backbone of the insurgency in Afghanistan will be broken, are wrong and self-serving.

As I wrote in The Friday Times in December 2010, the insurgency does not have a defined COG; there are multiple COGs and command lines are much more diffused than anyone is prepared to accept. There is already dispersal of the leadership and the fighters because of drone attacks. Dispersal and delegation of operations also provide the Taliban the flexibility they require to retain their asymmetric advantage.

The American idea that packing the punch against the Haqqani network — assuming that the network would offer itself as a concentrated target for the convenience of any superior force — would signal to others to come to the negotiating table is unlikely to happen.

In this game, Pakistan will be the loser. NWA does not just house the Haqqani network; it also has Haji Gul Bahadur, elements of the relocated Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), multiple Punjabi groups and remnants of al Qaeda. Currently, these groups are geographically confined. If Pakistan goes after them, it will have to face multiple negative consequences, including dislocating more of its population at a time when its build and transfer efforts in other areas have almost stalled and it is already bogged down in Mohmand and Kurram.

The network, currently no threat to Pakistan, would go for a link up with elements hostile to Pakistan and operating only against Pakistani interests. Elements hostile to Pakistan will get reinforced by such a link-up and, while use of force will make the various groups join hands, it will fail to translate into utility of force for the simple reason that the groups would disperse and spread out instead of offering themselves as a concentrated target to a superior force.

That makes eminent operational sense because, rather than losing too many men in pitched battles, the groups will disperse while retaining some fighters to engage advancing columns in combination with the use of area denial weapons like anti-personnel mines, anti-tank mines, ‘victim-operated’ IEDs and booby traps. This means that while they will try to slow down the advance and extract a heavy toll of advancing troops, they would not need to employ the bulk of their forces that are likely to extricate as the operation undergoes.

Pakistan would then be left with two negative fallouts: Future operational linkage between the Afghan Taliban and the TTP and other assorted hostile groups; and dispersal of these groups into other areas. An operation against the Haqqani network will also activate other Afghan Taliban groups against Pakistani security forces which are already battle-stressed, fighting the Pakistani groups affiliated with al Qaeda. That would open another front, currently dormant.

Meanwhile, what about the drones? Why should Pakistan commit ground troops if the drones are as effective as the US says they are and for which reason it is prepared to accept the cost of rising resentment inside Pakistan?

But let’s go higher up the ladder from the operational to the strategic and political. The UN Security Council (UNSC) has delinked the Taliban from its al Qaeda list, sending a signal to the Taliban that they can be talked to if they can prove that they are not linked to al Qaeda. Good move that, one which I have been insisting on before and since US President Barack Obama spoke at West Point. We also have, on the good authority of both Afghan President Hamid Karzai and outgoing US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates, that the US is in talks with the Taliban. This makes sense and shows why the UNSC has done what it has.

And why should Pakistan open up a front against the Afghan Taliban when they are now to be potential partners in peace talks?

Published in The Express Tribune, June 21st, 2011.
 
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Once the ISAF leaves the Taliban would able to shift their resources to on Pakistan. Simple as that. Thats how it happend in the Vietnam war. North Vietnam waited for American forces to leave then violated the peace settlement and invaded South Vietnam.

Afghan Talibans aren't interested by Pakistan at all; for TTP, their whole propaganda is based on American attacks, and other sympathetic things, so if America departs, TTP will perhaps still be there, but with no more local support, as peoples are actually fighting in order to revenge their lost lives.
So Pakistan shouldn't attack the Afghan Taliban and/or the so called 'Haqqani network', as it would just create more enmity. We can deal with the TTP latter, in all serenity. :police:
 
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Hey Shlomo Benisrael2,

you forget that Pakistan was telling USA to talk with talibans since the beginning. And today for your safe exit with honor you want Pakistan launch another fight and create a new front, and in the same time "you" are openning dialogue with them ? yeah that's the policy used by Israel against Palestinians and in Lebanan since many years : divide them, weaken them.

We know what is your game...
 
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Protect them and die another day seems to the policy. Aapko aapki policy mubarak.

Can you read or are you simply refusing to understand the gist of the article. There is a threat to pakistan and no one denies this. The problem is deciding where this threat comesa from and acting to neutralize it. At this moment most of the misery appears to be in response to the drone attacks being inflicted on pakistan. I would not say for a minute that we should stop acting against terrorists, but the war needs to be focused rather than shooting in all directions at the behest of a foreign agency that has a notoriously poor record of finding proofs for its acccusations. Or should I spell it our a little bit more.
Araz
 
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but usa have given deadline for this op....lets see...i think they will do operation if not u

If that is what they have decided, then it will happen whether we like it or not . Tell me was there any proof of the so called WMDs in Iraq that were so hyped about. 10 yrs under occupation, and millions of dollars later, GWB had to say that there were no WMDs. What was Saddam,s link to Alqaeda___JACK, and it was given as a reason to invade iraq.
Araz
 
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Once the ISAF leaves the Taliban would able to shift their resources to on Pakistan. Simple as that. Thats how it happend in the Vietnam war. North Vietnam waited for American forces to leave then violated the peace settlement and invaded South Vietnam.

What a bunch of BULL CRAP!! What evidence do you have to support your sensational argument. Afghanistan was certainly not in an ideal state but certainly not the mess that US invasion has made it. If you analyze their demands at the time post 9/11 they were all just but were you ever bothered to listen to reason? NO ! And so it will come to pass that where ever the US steps in , its greed will leave another mess in its wake.
Araz
 
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The one decision of our Army that shows us that they are fully aware of what is happening around them.Army must also look thoroughly what the situation currently is harvesting in the minds of young tribal blood.Hearings are that the tribal leaders constantly from a long time have restrain the young blood to take any offensive against the Pakistani army in retaliation of the Drones strikes.USA knowing this have repeatedly tried to dismantle this by targetting the innocent elders of Waziristan.This one stand of the Pakistani Army of not taking offensive
keeps my faith in them and I am sure that Inshallah they will understand the severity of Drone Strikes and take a stand in on it as well in the immediate future.This one move will surely take us out of this WAR once and for all.

March 2011

MIRAMSHAH: A US drone missile strike on Thursday killed at least 38 in a Pakistani tribal region, intelligence officials said.

There were conflicting accounts about the target of the attack and those killed in the Datta Khel region of North Waziristan. The death toll was one of the highest in a drone missile strike.


“It wasn’t a militant gathering, but a meeting of tribal elders from Ismail Khan village to sort out some differences over a business deal,” tribesman Zia-ur-Rehman told Reuters.

“One of Bahadur’s commanders, Sharabat Khan, was also present at the meeting as he is also a local elder, but they were discussing business.”


General Kiyani protested at this incident severely.

Main kehta houn Aisi nobat hi kyun aye ke hamain kabhi kisi bhi mamale main protest karna pare.
 
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