No 'tight' military ties with Pak, Indo-Russia ties cannot be diluted: Vladimir Putin

[SabzShaheen]

I am still waiting for the news about the delivery of the 4 Russian helicopters to Pakistan..I believe that news of the signing of the contract is 2 years old. Chinese push and influence on Russia can only go so far.

"Russia will deliver four Mil Mi-35M 'Hind E' attack helicopters to the Pakistan Army (PA) in 2017, Pakistan's minister for defence production, Rana Tanveer Hussain, was quoted by the Dunya News TV channel as saying on 19 December."
Source: http://www.janes.com/article/66463/...-mi-35m-helos-from-russia-in-2017-says-report

2017 isn't over yet. Also, what makes you think that Russia will only sell arms if China pressurises Russia?

Geopolitics is not that simple.

PDF, twitter/FB and comment sections of various websites may get lively but don't be a fool and get carried away with your side's narrative.

In reality, in the case of India-Pak in particular, there are highly capable and well trained men and women operating within robust and multiple fail safe redundancy compliant command structures and direct back-channels/hotlines both up and down the hierarchy, on both sides.

there is zero chance of nuclear conflict, and expect our traditional providers and allies to keep milking us till both sides achieve true Juche.

Yes, I know geopolitics isn't that simple. I was merely describing how some other users feel about the recent events. I don't need the likes of you to try and patronise me into thinking otherwise. I also don't get carried away with my "side's" narrative.

No need to be pretentious.

 

[illusion8]

"Russia will deliver four Mil Mi-35M 'Hind E' attack helicopters to the Pakistan Army (PA) in 2017, Pakistan's minister for defence production, Rana Tanveer Hussain, was quoted by the Dunya News TV channel as saying on 19 December."
Source: http://www.janes.com/article/66463/...-mi-35m-helos-from-russia-in-2017-says-report

2017 isn't over yet. Also, what makes you think that Russia will only sell arms if China pressurises Russia?

Okay, I will wait for it. For your 2nd question...why will it? It's taking a major step to antagonising India for peanuts...unless there's a heavy influence.

 

[RoadRunner401]

JF17 is not a concern, IAF doesn't even consider it a threat in their threat perspective. The Chinese ordered for a 1000 rd93 engines and India wasn't in a position to overturn that.

LOL

 

[SabzShaheen]

Okay, I will wait for it. For your 2nd question...why will it? It's taking a major step to antagonising India for peanuts...unless there's a heavy influence.

Russia's apparent shifting away from India has got more to do with the strengthening of India's ties with the US.

 

[Jackdaws]

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Sure, I am just considering the delivery of the 4 helicopters as a barometer to the much taunted and much vaunted Russo Pakistani defence relationship that's been going haywire on this forum for couple of years. .I actually thought that there was something serious and that the Chinese were able to influence the Russians to deal with the pakistanis.

There were thousands of threads here of how the Russians have abandoned India and how pakistanis will be getting su35's, S400's and what not.

In fact many here have drawn out fantasy lists of Russian weapons to be procured and on order from Russia.

But, for a layman like me, the barometer starts when the "4 helicopters" are delivered. .that's when I will start to worry.

Pakistan can't rely on the Americans because of the Pressler Amendment. Chinese products are no match. It is natural for Pak to gravitate toward Russians. I think they might even get some good deals from the Ukrainians too.

 

[scorpionx]

The whole paradigm of cold war era sensitivities have shifted; Americans are no more frantically anti-communist, Russians no longer see Americans as their ideological threat. While West Asia will continue to be a hot boiling pot, in South Asia, Americans and Russians will maintain a balance between Pakistan's strategic importance in war on terror and India's inexhaustible appetite for military equipments.

So any sale of arms (even by the Chinese) to Pakistan that will pose serious threat to India's western frontier is out of question, while in case of war Indians will be under immense pressure not to violate an inch of Pakistan's sovereignty.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Only a fool would believe the exaggerated claims in the Indian news article. Indian news sources are renowned for adding spice to statements.

Russia has every stake in having a normalized relation with Pakistan. For India to pretend that their relationship with Russia has more relevance and precedence is like an ostrich burying its head in sand.

 

[Max]

we can cooperate in Afghanistan on mutual interests, just like Iranian are doing in Syria.

Also Pakistan will become member of SCO this year so we can expect more trade and security related cooperation in future.

 

[illusion8]

Rd93 for 100's of fighter jets is nothing but four helicopters are a concern to you, man you is one of the funniest poster on this forum

As I said before, when and if we are ready to buy Russian weapons which we are not as of now, things can happen as planned.

Mugwop's on my case again @waz can you just get rid of this irritating nuisance for once..even after I overturned her numerous "negative ratings"..I don't fancy opening anther thread in GHQ for her nonsense.


Dude, let jf17 or any Chinese fighter plane compete in a real tender against international platforms first to prove it's worthiness for us to take it seriously. Even dependent countries haven't looked at it seriously...and I am being quite neutral here. Then..I will take your "lol" seriously.

Just because Pakistan certifies it, doesn't make it at fighter plane.

 

[SabzShaheen]

I suppose Putin just clarified that in the op posted by you.

“India has close cooperation with the US, does Moscow complain? Then why complain about much lower level of cooperation with Pakistan,” he asked when referred to the Russia-Pakistan military exercise.
Source: https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/169900-Russia-rejects-Indian-Afghan-criticism-on-Pakistan

"We do not have any tight (military) relations with Pakistan. The US, Do you have (close relations)?," he said, speaking through an interpreter.

Is that not what Putin is saying?

 

[illusion8]

“India has close cooperation with the US, does Moscow complain? Then why complain about much lower level of cooperation with Pakistan,” he asked when referred to the Russia-Pakistan military exercise.
Source: https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/169900-Russia-rejects-Indian-Afghan-criticism-on-Pakistan



Is that not what Putin is saying?

I am a fly on the wall, as I said, I am just setting barometers for my own. For me, if the Russians deliver the 4 helicopters..then that would be a concern.

 

[wiseone2]

I am still waiting for the news about the delivery of the 4 Russian helicopters to Pakistan..I believe that news of the signing of the contract is 2 years old. Chinese push and influence on Russia can only go so far.

I would not lose sleep over delivery of 4 Mi-35 choppers

Money talks BS walks, if and when Pakistani government is ready to buy Russian weapons and willing to pay for it, Indian or Chinese influence will not be a issue.

All the influence from India did not stop the Russians from supplying the engine for Jf17 before and as I said; once we are ready to buy, your influence will still not matter again.

given the size of your military budget and your commitments to China Pakistan is in no position to even provide Russia with $1 billion in weapons business

It's a chinese plane..so lol. Again, I am waiting for Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Nigeria .etc.etc to buy it.



I suppose Putin just clarified that in the op posted by you.

I thought Myanmar ordered JF-17

Only a fool would believe the exaggerated claims in the Indian news article. Indian news sources are renowned for adding spice to statements.

Russia has every stake in having a normalized relation with Pakistan. For India to pretend that their relationship with Russia has more relevance and precedence is like an ostrich burying its head in sand.

For 65 years of your existence Russia could care less about Pakistan. In the past few years Russia-Pakistan ties have been close to normal. The only problem for Pakistan is to make itself relevant for Russia. Unlike USA Russia has good relationship with Iran.

 

[Nefarious]

No tight military ties just loose ties like attack helicopters and fighter jet engines.

 

[Zee-shaun]

Stronger diplomatic ties with Russia are far better in Pakistan's interests than having military cooperation at this moment. What happened in Goa last year is a clear proof of how Putin values Pakistan despite being India's closest ally. Rest is all lip service to appease whining Indians.

Russia knows how to milk them out for hard cash. Well done Putin, spaciba

 

[ashok321]

• Russia extends support for India's NSG bid, UNSC seat

Only lip service.

Russians also know the last stop for Indians is China.
Nothing is over till the fat lady sings. And you know who the fat lady is here.