'No smoking, no shaving': Taliban restore old rules in newly seized Afghan territory

[Hareeb]

Their country, their rules. What do champions of democracy say on this? If majority obeys, so should others.

 

[doorstar]

Filthy is all about Queen Victoria and her filthy new world order.

seeing from your avatar (if that is your photo) you would've been their most favorite after dinner companion, had you ever had the good fortune to have visited that emirate

 

[Mentee]

Back to the islamic medieval times.....

Where women get right to education, inheritance , divorce , state protection against any accusation of indecency and ofcourse against being buried alive as an infant coz of their gender.

 

[mqur1963]

WH

Propaganda? This isn't propaganda. Go look at on-ground interviews of Taliban commanders and leaders.

In their own words, they havent changed one bit in 20 years. Then you can also lool at areas under Taliban control and see the rules that are enforced there.

Taliban are an extremist group, there's no doubt or propaganda when you have facts on ground.

WHY THEY SHOULD CHANGE ASK ALL PAKISTANI CRICKTERS PLAYERS WHEN THEY STARTED TO FOLLOW TABLIGH JAAM THERE LIVE CHANGES AND WIFE START TO COVER UP ASK SHAHID AFRADI AND PAKISTAN ARMY LOTS OF THERE SOLDERS COME FROM FAMILIES WITH BURQUA AND OFCOURCE PRIME MINISTER IMRAN KHANS WIFE WEAR BURQA

 

[mike2000 is back]

'No smoking, no shaving': Taliban restore old rules in newly seized Afghan territory

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They say they'll protect human rights but according to “Islamic values” that are interpreted differently across the Muslim world.

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Days after the Taliban captured a remote district in Afghanistan's north, they issued their first orders in the form of a letter to the local imam.

“It said women can't go to the bazaar without a male companion, and men should not shave their beards,” said Sefatullah, 25, a resident of Kalafgan district.


The insurgents also banned smoking, he added, and warned that anybody violating the rules “will be seriously dealt with”.


The Taliban are making huge advances across the country as they capitalise on the final withdrawal of foreign troops — capturing districts, seizing key border crossings, and encircling provincial capitals.


In some areas, they are again introducing the harsh interpretation of Islamic rule that earned them notoriety until being overthrown by the US-led invasion that followed the September 11 attacks.


Last month, they took Shir Khan Bandar, a northern customs post that connected the country to Tajikistan over a US-funded bridge that spanned the Panj river.


“After Shir Khan Bandar fell, the Taliban ordered women not to step out of their homes,” said Sajeda, who told AFP she worked in a local factory at the time.


“There were many women and young girls doing embroidery, tailoring and shoe-making [...] The Taliban's order has now terrified us,” she told AFP by phone.
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A nurse checks the blood pressure of a patient for an antenatal care visit at a government-run maternity in Dand district of Kandahar province, Afghanistan, October 1, 2020. — AFP/File


The Taliban ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001 according to a hardline interpretation of the Holy Quran.


Women were ordered to stay indoors unless accompanied by a male relative, girls were banned from school, and those found guilty of crimes such as adultery were stoned to death.

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A nurse (R) registers a patient at a mobile clinic set up at the residence of a local elder in Yarmuhamad village, near Lashkar Gah in Helmand province, Afghanistan, March 28, 2021. — AFP/File



Men had relatively more freedom but were ordered not to shave, would be beaten if they didn't attend prayers, and were told to only wear traditional clothing.


Afghanistan is deeply conservative and some rural pockets of the country adhere to similar rules even without Taliban oversight — but the insurgents have tried to impose these edicts even in more modern centres.

'Marry your daughters to the Taliban'

A statement purporting to come from the Taliban, circulated on social media this week, ordered villagers to marry off their daughters and widows to the movement's foot soldiers.


“All imams and mullahs in captured areas should provide the Taliban with a list of girls above 15 and widows under 45 to be married to Taliban fighters,” said the letter, issued in the name of the Taliban's cultural commission.

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Women wait for their turn at a mobile clinic for women and children set up at the residence of a local elder in Yarmuhamad village, near Lashkar Gah in Helmand province, Afghanistan, March 28, 2021. — AFP/File



It brought back bitter memories of the edicts issued by the Ministry for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice during the Taliban's first stint in power.


Keen to project a softer image this time around, they have denied issuing any such statement and dismissed it as propaganda.


“These are baseless claims,” said Zabihullah Mujahid, a spokesman for the group.


“They are rumours spread using fabricated papers.”

'Nobody can leave home at night'

But people in areas recently taken by the insurgents insist there is truth to the social media buzz.


In Yawan district on the Tajikistan border, the Taliban gathered residents at a local mosque after taking over.

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A midwife (R) speaks to a woman during a house visitation in a rural area of Dand district in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, October 1, 2020. — AFP/File



“Their commanders told us that nobody is allowed to leave home at night,” Nazir Mohammad, 32, told AFP.


“And no person — especially the youths — can wear red and green clothes,” he said, referring to the colours of the Afghan flag.


Their orders didn't stop there.


“Everybody should wear a turban and no man can shave,” said Mohammad.


“Girls attending schools beyond sixth grade were barred from classes.”


The Taliban insist they will protect human rights — particularly those of women — but only according to “Islamic values”, which are interpreted differently across the Muslim world.


For Sajeda on the Tajikistan border, just a few days of Taliban rule was enough — and she fled south to the nearby city of Kunduz.


“We will never be able to work in areas under the Taliban,” she said, “So, we left”.

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Farzana, who fled her village in Helmand province when it was taken over by the Taliban, waits to see a doctor at a mobile clinic for women and children set up at the residence of a local elder in Yarmuhamad village, near Lashkar Gah in Helmand province, Afghanistan, March 28, 2021. — AFP/File




Header image: Afghan Taliban fighters listen to Mullah Mohammad Rasool Akhund (unseen), the newly appointed leader of a breakaway faction of the Taliban, at Bakwah in the western province of Farah, Afghanistan, November 3, 2015. — AFP/File

'No smoking, no shaving': Taliban restore old rules in newly seized Afghan territory

They say they'll protect human rights but according to “Islamic values” that are interpreted differently across the Muslim world.

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As much as we might hate them. They do make some good points though. I believe they are less hyporcitical than other "Islamic " countries. Afterall, they still want to follow their religion by the book eventhough many aspects of it might not be internationally acceptable in our modern world today.
However, it seems many of the laws they have implemented in the past and still adhere to is according to their religion. So in this aspect, i see nothing wrong there. Its their country their religion their rules. To each his own.

 

[Stryker1982]

As much as we might hate them. They do make some good points though. I believe they are less hyporcitical than other "Islamic " countries. Afterall, they still want to follow their religion by the book eventhough many aspects of it might not be internationally acceptable in our modern world today.
However, it seems many of the laws they have implemented in the past and still adhere to is according to their religion. So in this aspect, i see nothing wrong there. Its their country their religion their rules. To each his own.

It's like the world is going full circle in a way.
That was exactly the prevailing logic of the time until 9/11.

To each his own is right, but not if it is creating global attacks. Like how ISIS encourages attacks in Europe.

If I am not mistaken, the Taliban have assured the US that no ISIS or Al-Qaeda cells are allowed to operate in their territory.

 

[Adecypher]

Seems like the propaganda news have some legitimacy, start the video below from 5:06 mins:

 

[Sifar zero]

there is theory. there is practice

a millenium of Islam in Afghanistan has done wonders to Afghan society

Dude, you come from a country that is obsessed with gender and race you have nothing to say here.

It's like the world is going full circle in a way.
That was exactly the prevailing logic of the time until 9/11.

To each his own is right, but not if it is creating global attacks. Like how ISIS encourages attacks in Europe.

If I am not mistaken, the Taliban have assured the US that no ISIS or Al-Qaeda cells are allowed to operate in their territory.

You're right the Taliban even launched a op against ISKP backed by US airstrikes.

 

[Lincoln]

As much as we might hate them. They do make some good points though. I believe they are less hyporcitical than other "Islamic " countries. Afterall, they still want to follow their religion by the book eventhough many aspects of it might not be internationally acceptable in our modern world today.
However, it seems many of the laws they have implemented in the past and still adhere to is according to their religion. So in this aspect, i see nothing wrong there. Its their country their religion their rules. To each his own.

The only catch is that they have promised non-interference in other nations.

WH
WHY THEY SHOULD CHANGE ASK ALL PAKISTANI CRICKTERS PLAYERS WHEN THEY STARTED TO FOLLOW TABLIGH JAAM THERE LIVE CHANGES AND WIFE START TO COVER UP ASK SHAHID AFRADI AND PAKISTAN ARMY LOTS OF THERE SOLDERS COME FROM FAMILIES WITH BURQUA AND OFCOURCE PRIME MINISTER IMRAN KHANS WIFE WEAR BURQA

There's a difference of day and night between choosing to wear the Burqa and forcing them to wear the Burqa.

Afghan women under Taliban won't get that priviledge to choose.

Their country, their rules. What do champions of democracy say on this? If majority obeys, so should others.

1. Majority obeying does not amount to democracy, that amounts to dictatorship. Is North Korea a democracy? Ofcourse not, but the majority does obey there.

2. If it's about what the majority wants then why doesn't the Taliban hold elections. We all know what the results will be.

3. If you want to suggest the "their country, their rules" argument then why shouldn't this apply to every nation in the world. Why is it that when it's in "Islamic" interests, it's about preserving culture and religion, but when it's not in "Islamic" interests, its Islamophobia.

Get my point?

 

[nahtanbob]

Dude, you come from a country that is obsessed with gender and race you have nothing to say here.

you make an assumption that you know the best. Even conservative Islamic groups in America have taken 180 degree U-turn on homosexuality.

With all its imperfections America is a productive society where millions want to immigrate to and settle with their families.

Can you say anything good about Afghanistan ?

 

[Dark1]

welcome to stone age

Their country their rules ...ie in Afghanistan and China
As long as its not France india or the west. Then its their country and Islamophobia.

 

[EasyNow]

Good - looks like Pakistani Tali lovers will be getting what they wished for. The glory of the Sharia system will shine again for all the world to see. And it's reverberations will be felt in KPK, Karachi and Balochistan first.

I have concluded that the only way to snap people out of the their delusions is to let them live their dream. Pakistan and Afghanistan will not change until they receive a full, unfettered dose of pure religion.

 

[Dark1]

It's like the world is going full circle in a way.
That was exactly the prevailing logic of the time until 9/11.

To each his own is right, but not if it is creating global attacks. Like how ISIS encourages attacks in Europe.

If I am not mistaken, the Taliban have assured the US that no ISIS or Al-Qaeda cells are allowed to operate in their territory.

Under their assurance the Afghan government released 1000s of Talibans. We can see the results.
They can just change the names of the organizations and support them. A tactic very popular in the neighborhood.
A puritanical society does not have to be necessarily bad. SA is bad by western standards but tolerable by millions of expats from the sub continent. The concern is whether they pursue some new culture of jihad all over the world, fueled by unlimited drug money.

Good - looks like Pakistani Tali lovers will be getting what they wished for. The glory of the Sharia system will shine again for all the world to see. And it's reverberations will be felt in KPK, Karachi and Balochistan first.

I have concluded that the only way to snap people out of the their delusions is to let them live their dream. Pakistan and Afghanistan will not change until they receive a full, unfettered dose of pure religion.

Stockholm syndrome will then come into play. Centuries of practice.

 

[EasyNow]

Under their assurance the Afghan government released 1000s of Talibans. We can see the results.
They can just change the names of the organizations and support them. A tactic very popular in the neighborhood.
A puritanical society does not have to be necessarily bad. SA is bad by western standards but tolerable by millions of expats from the sub continent. The concern is whether they pursue some new culture of jihad all over the world, fueled by unlimited drug money.

Stockholm syndrome will then come into play. Centuries of practice.

I'm sorry, Stockholm syndrome worked 100 years ago, when it was possible to keep people segregated, shuttered from the outside world and made pliable.

Today, every Afghan child knows the riches and opportunities to be had just a few miles away. The Taliban will be the first to get disillusioned once they see what their efforts have wrought.

And don't forget, there will always be the covert efforts from outside countries to break the spell.

Realistically, if Taliban win decisively there will be millions of refugees. If they don't win, there will be civil war and still refugees. Afghanistan is doomed for another decade and I can't see Pakistan being insulated.

 

[V. Makarov]

On one side of the spectrum you have Liberal Gender Fluid creatures, where two trans people are raising children 'without gender' (whatever the f*ck that means), and on the other side you have people who want to decapitate you because you got some of your beard trimmed (no indication in Quran or Prophet's Sayings).

Where is this world going? Why can we not keep global extremism in check?