No Rohingyas In Arakan History: International Experts!

[Lux de Veritas]

And for all the talk of genocide and ethnic cleansing etc. we all found out the real genocide was in the Thai-Malay border by Thai and Malay people traffickers.

The Thai and Malay are thuggish to all boat people in SE Asia. But no one will flee in dove facing those scumm until some 969 or government security forces show case lynching some Bangala.

 

[Place Of Space]

dar mal. pyaw chin tar pyaw yae bar ko. nyi| dar forum par|

Don't worry, man. Just continue to fuvk them, short-term pain is better than long-term lost.
By the way, please treat the Thais, Wa, Kokang a little better. They don't have culturel conflicts with you guys. Keep my advices in mind, or you will have enemy all around.

 

[alaungphaya]

The Thai and Malay are thuggish to all boat people in SE Asia. But no one will flee in dove facing those scumm until some 969 or government security forces show case lynching some Bangala.

But that's speculation, Lux. What happened to them elsewhere is a fact. And as we have seen with the Bangladeshis, they willingly pay people smugglers to cross into Thailand or Malaysia without being persecuted.

 

[Aung Zaya]

Don't worry, man. Just continue to fuvk them, short-term pain is better than long-term lost.
By the way, please treat the Thais, Wa, Kokang a little better. They don't have culturel conflicts with you guys. Keep my advices in mind, or you will have enemy all around.

LOL... do u understand in Burmese..!!?

 

[Place Of Space]

No, I fell into dilemma and embarrassed, because right now you govt are attacking Kokang as well.
I don't know how and what to express to you guys. Just check following fotos, I hope you understand what I say.

Buddha in China and Myanmar:
Puppet show in China and Mynamar:

LOL... do u understand in Burmese..!!?

 

[Aung Zaya]

No, I fell into dilemma and embarrassed, because right now you govt are attacking Kokang as well.
I don't know how and what to express to you guys. Just check following fotos, I hope you understand what I say.

Buddha in China and Myanmar:
Puppet show in China and Mynamar:

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nope..!! we dont attack the whole Kokeng People... but kokang rebels.. and u need to know 1st is "KoKang is Special Region" which is one of just only 3 SR governed by respective ethnic leader.. the governor of Kokeng region was also a kokang before being attacked by Phon-Kyar-Shin forces..

No, I fell into dilemma and embarrassed, because right now you govt are attacking Kokang as well.
I don't know how and what to express to you guys. Just check following fotos, I hope you understand what I say.

Buddha in China and Myanmar:
Puppet show in China and Mynamar:

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NO rohingya IN BURMA....

research paper and Book collection......


http://www.soas.ac.uk/sbbr/editions/file64388.pdf
written by Dr.Aye Chan is a Professor of Kenda University (Japan ) in international Studies...
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(Excerpts from the Chapter 11 “North Arakan and the Refounding of the Old Town 1944-1945” of Robert Mole’s book titled “The Temple Bells are Calling” a personal record of the last years of British rule in Burma, 1944-1948.)

which occurred in 1942 after the British evacuation from Arakan and to which I have referred before, the entire population of this area was now Muslim. They were Chittagonian by race and spoke a type of Bengali. Only a very few could speak Arakanese, a dialect form of Burmese, and we relied almost entirely on interpreters for communication with them.
One grew rather tired of seeing only Chittagonian civilians, wearing their little white Mohammedan caps, and with their shirts invariably hanging outside their longyis. They were not a people who could inspire much affection, but they had their good qualities, and I was told of Chittagonians who went unconcernedly about their work in the fields while fighting raged around them.
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According to Captain W. White field commander of British army in Saint Martin island(Shahpuri)
near Teknaff Bangladesh , in his book "A political history of the Extraordinary Events which led to

The Burmese War" Published by W. Sams, in 1827 London, mentioned that in 1811 there were no
Mohammedan in Teknaff, the west bank of Maungdaw. Therefore no Bengali in Maungdaw in
1811.

A Political History Of The Extraordinary Events Which Led To The Burmese War ...: Amazon.co.uk: William White (Captain.): 9781245035477: Books

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On 23 December 1975,
the then Bangladesh Ambassador to Burma Khwaja Mohammed Kaiser admitted that “there
were upward of ½ million Bangalee trespassers in Arakan whom the Burmese had some right to
eject”.Therefore Bangladesh government should also take full responsibility for this
Chittagonian Bengalis issue, as a good neighbor.

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[Place Of Space]

nope..!! we dont attack the whole Kokeng People... but kokang rebels.. and u need to know 1st is "KoKang is Special Region" which is one of just only 3 SR governed by respective ethnic leader.. the governor of Kokeng region was also a kokang before being attacked by Phon-Kyar-Shin forces..




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NO rohingya IN BURMA....

research paper and Book collection......


http://www.soas.ac.uk/sbbr/editions/file64388.pdf
written by Dr.Aye Chan is a Professor of Kenda University (Japan ) in international Studies...
==================================================================
(Excerpts from the Chapter 11 “North Arakan and the Refounding of the Old Town 1944-1945” of Robert Mole’s book titled “The Temple Bells are Calling” a personal record of the last years of British rule in Burma, 1944-1948.)

which occurred in 1942 after the British evacuation from Arakan and to which I have referred before, the entire population of this area was now Muslim. They were Chittagonian by race and spoke a type of Bengali. Only a very few could speak Arakanese, a dialect form of Burmese, and we relied almost entirely on interpreters for communication with them.
One grew rather tired of seeing only Chittagonian civilians, wearing their little white Mohammedan caps, and with their shirts invariably hanging outside their longyis. They were not a people who could inspire much affection, but they had their good qualities, and I was told of Chittagonians who went unconcernedly about their work in the fields while fighting raged around them.
=======================================================================================

According to Captain W. White field commander of British army in Saint Martin island(Shahpuri)
near Teknaff Bangladesh , in his book "A political history of the Extraordinary Events which led to

The Burmese War" Published by W. Sams, in 1827 London, mentioned that in 1811 there were no
Mohammedan in Teknaff, the west bank of Maungdaw. Therefore no Bengali in Maungdaw in
1811.

A Political History Of The Extraordinary Events Which Led To The Burmese War ...: Amazon.co.uk: William White (Captain.): 9781245035477: Books

======================================================================================

On 23 December 1975,
the then Bangladesh Ambassador to Burma Khwaja Mohammed Kaiser admitted that “there
were upward of ½ million Bangalee trespassers in Arakan whom the Burmese had some right to
eject”.Therefore Bangladesh government should also take full responsibility for this
Chittagonian Bengalis issue, as a good neighbor.

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I don't want to argue with you who is Kokang people, who is Kokang rebel. Can bullets distinguish people and rebel? No.

I as well as a lot of my nationality want your govt stop the attack.

 

[bongbang]

Arakanese Kingdom of Mrohaung, in southern Myanmar (Burma), state whose longevity (1433–1785) provided a strong tradition of independence for the Arakan region, a coastal strip on the Bay of Bengal.

King Narameikhla founded a strong, stable kingdom in 1433. In 1531 the first European ships appeared in the region, and Portuguese freebooters began to settle at Chittagong. Mrohaung’s navy, under the leadership of King Minbin and with Portuguese assistance, was the terror of the Ganges River region. Arakan’s neighbour and traditional antagonist, Bengal, was weak; the freebooters raided there at will, carrying hundreds of slaves off to Arakan. For almost a century Mrohaung retained ... (100 of 209 words)

Arakanese Kingdom of Mrohaung | historical kingdom, Myanmar | Britannica.com


SLAVE RAIDS IN BENGAL or HEINS IN ARAKAN

The Guardian BURMA'S NATIONAL MAGAZINE
[RANGOON VOL: VII. NO. 10. OCTOBER 1960.]



I wrote about the Roewengyas, the descendants of Arabs, Pathans and the then immigrants from Bengal in a previous article entitled "Roewengyas in Arakan" which was published in this magazines Vol: VII, No. 5 for May 1960. Now I take great pleasure in writing about the North Arakan people who descended from the captives of Bengal who were captured by the Portuguese and the Arakanese pirates.

Slave raids were made by the Arakanese Mughs and Portuguese. The Portuguese were crusaders, conquerors and traders. They came to eastern countries after Vasco da Gama had found the sea route to India. Vasco da Gama with 160 men in threesmall ships sailed to India on the8th of July 1497, and at Melinde on the African coast he engaged an India pilot with whose assistance they crossd the Arabian Sea, and on the 20th May 1498 they arrived at Calicut, the port on the West Coast of India, and the capital of an independent Hindu Kingdom.

He sent a civil message to the king of Calicut. In return a personage came aboard to conduct him into the city. In return a personage came aboard to conduct him into the city. On visiting the city, da Gama presented the King with a letter in which a request was made by King Emanuel of Portugal for trade between the two countries. The King replied that he would return his answer in consultation with his ministers.

The Muslims whose influence was very strong in Calicut heard of what had happened. They formed a deputation and waited on the mayor of Calicut. The mayor told the King that the Portuguese were fugitives and their intentios were piratical. The King summoned his ministers who though supporting the mayor's allegations, he (the King) sent for da Gama who, on his arrival, was permitted to load his ships with cargoes. Da Gama left the King. But he was arrested on his way to the wharf by the mayor's order. He was ordered to leave Calicut at once without cargoes and without compensation for the goods which had been landed. On the ship he consulted with his officers. They made up their mind to get in touch with the King who was unaware of the mayor's action. But their attempt was fruitless because the mayor was on the watch.

On reaching Portugal in 1499 Vasco da Gama advised the King that if a strong force were sent the Muslims could be driven off the sea and the trade diverted from the Persian Gulf to the Cape route. Though Calicut had its own Hindu rulers, Muslim influence was very strong. Muslim merchants controlled the maritime trade between the Persian Gulf and Indonesia, including Arakan. Goa was also in their possession. Their ships were in Calicut harbour and their storehouses on shore. King Emanuel accepted da Gama's advice. In the following years a series of expeditions were sent. Suitable sites were seized and fortresses built on the Asiatic coast. Goa was captured by Albuquerque from the Muslim traders in 1510. He made Goa the centre and the greatest fortress of the Portuguese Asia. The Portuguese became the masters of the seaborne trade between East and West. They became very rich.

Dianga, opposite to Chittagong on the other side of the Karnaphuli River, was seased by the Arakanese king to the Portuguese private merchants as a port had long ceased to be such a place of normal trade. In 1601 Min Yaza Gyi alias Salim Shah I (1593-1612) appointed Philip de Brito, with whose assistance he invaded Pegu, to be the Governor of Syriam, then port of Pegu. Later de Brito united with the Portuguese in Syriam and, driving away the Arakanese from the port, made himself king of Hauthawaddy (Pegu).

On hearing this news Min Yaza Gyi sent a garrison under the command of his son Min Kha Maung who was taken captive by the Portuguese, but sater was released on compensation. Min Yaza Gyi tied up in mock friendship with de Brito and asked him to send his son as ambassador at Mrohaung. It seemed that Min Yaza Gyi wanted to take reprisals. De Brito agreed and sent his son to Myauk-U (Mrohaung) where in 1607 he and his followers were executed, all his ships captured and the entire crew cut up. De Brito could do nothing because Anauk-phet-lun-min of Ava gave battle to him and he was killed. Five hundred Portuguese from Syriam were carried off and resettled in Shwebo district.

In Dianga also the Portuguese were killed. Some of them fled away. Gonsalves Tibao, one of the Dianga Portuguese, who turned into a pirate, made himself king of Sandwip, an island at the mouth of the Padma River. He became so bold that in 1616 he attempted a raid on Arakan, but was bitterly defeated by Min Kha Maung alias Hussain Shah (1612-1622), son of Min Yaza Gyi, with the help of the Dutch who hate the Portuguese. In this expedition a large number of slaves were brought to Arakan. At that time Moghul power of expansion over India had become stronger and stronger. Before Moghul administration was extended to Bengal, the Arakanese claimed a large part of Bengal. Moghul Emperors established themselves in western and central Bengal, and they confined the Arakanese to the province of Chittagong, the North-west frontier vice-royalty of the Arakanese king who got half the booty from piracy. The Portuguese were formidable fighters. So instead of destroying them the King of Arakan enlistedteh Portuguese in his service as a force to guard his north-west frontier. They were granted estates. They had no subject control from Goa. They served the Arakanese king in holding Sandwip Island, Noakhali, Bakergunje, and the Sundarbans Delta; and they raided up to Dacca and even Murshidabad.

The King of Arakan encouraged them to make slave raids west-wards. The Arakanese Mughs and the Portuguese made slave raids upon delta villages of the Sundarbans. They made Sangar Island at the mouth of the Hooghly River uninhabitable. They sold the Bengalis (Hindus and Muslims), so kidnapped, at the Indian ports and to the Arakanese who used them in ploughing, reaping rice crop, earth-digging and in several hard works which could not be done by the Arakanese. They pierced the hands of their slaves, and passed a strip of cane through the hole. They flung them under the deck strung together like hens. Sometimes the Mughs would sail back to the coast where they had captured their captives and wait till the villagers brought out sufficient gifts to get back their relations. This the Mughs called collecting revenue, and the Portuguese who were also among them would keep regular account books.

Sabistan Manrique, the Portuguese Friar, arrived at Hooghly, near the present Calcutta, after one month's voyage from Goa. After one and a quarter years of stay at Hooghly he was again ordered by the Friar of the monastery of Hooghly to go Dianga to relieve the Vicar of the town. On the 11thSeptember 1629 Manrique embarked on a Portuguese galley which came from Dianga to sell slaves. In the next month he reached Dianga where he stayed nine months, after which he was again transferred to Myauk-U, the capital of Arakan. On the 5th July 1630 he came to Ramu where he was given a promise by the Arakanese Governor of the town that he would be guided to Arakan by 53 chained Bengali slaves who had been captured in the slave raids, together with a guard of 30 soldiers, as the mountain passes were full of tigers and other wild beasts. On the evening of the 7thJuly the captives arrived. They were manacled. They were fastened together with a chain which was attached to their iron collars. They were like bead-stones in a great iron chain. They were old and young innocent Bengalis (Hindus and Muslims) who were going to a disgraceful and perpetual slavery. A slave who was an old man became exhausted on the pass above Peroem, the town on the Mayu River. He could not walk. He was driven on by the cruel Mugh guards. But Manrique took pity on him and protested with the guards not to drive him on. He was unmanacled and give a seat on the elephant by the Friar.

About these slave raids we have an excellent description written by the Moghul historian Shahbuddin Talish, which is quoted by Maurice Collis, "The Arakan pirates, who were both Portuguese and natives, used constantly to come by water and plunder Bengal," he writes. "They carried off such Hindus and Muslims as they could seize, pierced the palms of their hands, passed thin slips of cane through the holes and shut them huddled together under the decks of their ships. Every morning they flung down some uncooked rice, as we do for fowl…Many noblemen and women of family had to undergo the disgrace of house eventually was left inhabited on either side of the rivers leading from Chittagong to Dacca."

From the above facts and figures it is no wonder that the early Kings of Bengal considered the Arakanese Mughs wild and cruel.

The descendants of these captives of Bengal are known as HEINS ([defvlrsKd;rsm which means a low caste. M.K.Rahman wuote that they were settled at the two villages of Dass Para (slave village) and Pebin-Yin Ywa of Mrohaung Township, where they are found to this day. And they are looked down upon by other people of Arakan who never intermarry and intermix, nor even interdine with them, saying that they are of low caste descent. As the distinctions of colour, caste, race, wealth and poverty are unknown in the ranks of Islam it is not right to look down uponthem. Muslims are all brothers and sisters. The Heins' ancestors consisted of many noblemen and women though once they had to undergo the disgrace of slavery. They also call themselves Roewengyas. As they had to work in the Arakanese houses and palaces, they imitated the Arakanese habit, such as ear-boring custom. They bored their ears. So they are also known as ear-boring Roewengyas. People say that it is in memory of their ancestors, whose hands were pierced by their slave raiders, that they now bore their ears. However, they are just as good Muslims as the Arakanese of the same faith, while the Hindus from among the Heins are now assimilated into the Mugh community.

Like the Roewengyas- the descendants of Arabs and Pathans – the Heins are also strict in their religious performances, and in every village there is at least one Mosque.in dress, in gabit, and in the social customs they are not distinct from the other Arakanese except in their religious performances. They use Burmese as a written language just as the Roewengyas did with Urdu which, during the British rule, supplanted the ancestral literature of the satter. But, R.B.Smart wrote that among themselves the Heins use the colloquial language of their ancestors. Unlike their ancestors they are indolent and extravagant as the Arakanese because they have lived for centuries together with the latter. They are, therefore, dependent on the Chittagonian labourers who help them in their several hard works such as ploughing, reaping and earthwork. "Since 1879 immigration has taken place on a much larger scale and the descendants of the slaves are resident, for the most part, in the Kyauktaw and Myohaung townships," writes R. B.Smart. these immigrants were men who came down only for the working season from Eastern Bengal, but they were not bona-fide or permanent residents because they were not an indigenous race of the country. In the Second Great World War they sacrificed their lives and property, and fought with blood and sweat against their enemies for the freedom of Burma.

 

[Aung Zaya]

"Since 1879 immigration has taken place on a much larger scale and the descendants of the slaves are resident, for the most part, in the Kyauktaw and Myohaung townships," writes R. B.Smart. these immigrants were men who came down only for the working season from Eastern Bengal, but they were not bona-fide or permanent residents because they were not an indigenous race of the country. In the Second Great World War they sacrificed their lives and property, and fought with blood and sweat against their enemies for the freedom of Burma.

clear..!! Not permanent resident..!! Not indigenous race..!! just for working reason from EB......
before 1960 there is no such a name Rohingya in Arakan History..
3. The well known author and scholar, Maurice Collis, who wrote many articles and books about Arakan, also never mentioned the word "Rohingya".

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"The fact that there has never been a "Rohingya" ethnic group in Burma is quite evident. There is no such name as "Rohingya" in the Census of India, 1921 (Burma) compiled by G. G. Grantham, I.C.S., Superintendent of Census Operations Burma, or in the Burma Gazetteer, Akyab District (1924) compiled by R. B. Smart.

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in Hobson-Jobson. "A Glossary of Colloquial Anglo Indian Words and Phrases, and of Kindred Terms, Etymological, Historical, Geographical and Discursive" published by British Colonial Officers of British East India Company, Col. Henry Yule and A. C. Burnell (First Published 1886) the word "Rohingya" was not mentioned. Since this book was published by the Bengal Chamber Edition, Calcutta, India, and is an indispensable dictionary for those who want to study the history of India during the last 300 years and its impact on the East and West, it should be considered as a standard literature.

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The Heins' ancestors consisted of many noblemen and women though once they had to undergo the disgrace of slavery. They also call themselves Roewengyas.

Start creation of new name by a people from Budetoung at that time as i said all time before ..These bangali start creation of new name 'Rohingya" at 1960s !! there is no such a " hein " people in Arakan history.. if u dont believe ... search above books.. especially notable writter Maurice Collis,.. thz

I wrote about the Roewengyas, the descendants of Arabs, Pathans and the then immigrants from Bengal in a previous article entitled "Roewengyas in Arakan" which was published in this magazines Vol: VII, No. 5 for May 1960[/QUOTE]

again..!! clear..!!

 

[bongbang]

We are not interested in such. Just tell us if they are from BD or not. Which is created in 1971. People used to migrate centuries ago. But you have to take the people when the modern border was drawn. And these Rohingyas were Burmese citizen till 70s. Only in 1982 your military junta made insane law which states it cant take the migrants after 1823. This is unbelivable in modern history. These people who has roots in Burma for centuries.

clear..!! Not permanent resident..!! Not indigenous race..!! just for working reason from EB......
before 1960 there is no such a name Rohingya in Arakan History..
3. The well known author and scholar, Maurice Collis, who wrote many articles and books about Arakan, also never mentioned the word "Rohingya".

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"The fact that there has never been a "Rohingya" ethnic group in Burma is quite evident. There is no such name as "Rohingya" in the Census of India, 1921 (Burma) compiled by G. G. Grantham, I.C.S., Superintendent of Census Operations Burma, or in the Burma Gazetteer, Akyab District (1924) compiled by R. B. Smart.

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in Hobson-Jobson. "A Glossary of Colloquial Anglo Indian Words and Phrases, and of Kindred Terms, Etymological, Historical, Geographical and Discursive" published by British Colonial Officers of British East India Company, Col. Henry Yule and A. C. Burnell (First Published 1886) the word "Rohingya" was not mentioned. Since this book was published by the Bengal Chamber Edition, Calcutta, India, and is an indispensable dictionary for those who want to study the history of India during the last 300 years and its impact on the East and West, it should be considered as a standard literature.

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Start creation of new name by a people from Budetoung at that time as i said all time before ..These bangali start creation of new name 'Rohingya" at 1960s !! there is no such a " hein " people in Arakan history.. if u dont believe ... search above books.. especially notable writter Maurice Collis,.. thz

 

[Aung Zaya]

Min Yaza Gyi alias Salim Shah I (1593-1612)

why did Arakan Kings has Muslim name...?

the Answer is Here...


Buddhists kings with Pseudonym Muslim Titles: The 'Rohingyas' claimed that Arakan was ruled by the Muslim kings from 1430 for about 100 years. In fact, the Kingdom of Mrauk U was not established by the 'Rohingyas'. All kings of the Mrauk U dynasty were Buddhists. Some kings had assumed Muslim Titles because, as mentioned above, Min Saw Mun (Man Saw Muan), the founder of the Mrauk U City wanted to show his gratitude to the Sultan of Gaur who helped him to regain the Arakanese throne in 1430. Hence, he promised the Sultan that the Arakanese kings would bear Pseudonym Muslim Titles.

But in fact, all of the Arakanese kings were donors of many temples in Mrauk U as well as in the other parts of Arakan. They did make coins, one side with Burmese/Arakanese scripts and the other side with Persian (NOT Bengali).

For example: Min Saw Mun (Man Saw Muan), the founder of the Mrauk U City with the assumed Muslim Title 'Suleiman Shah' built seven Buddhists temples in Mrauk U. One of them was Laymyetna Phaya (Leemyatna Phara) in Mrauk U (now Mrohaung). His successor and younger brother Min Khayi (Man Khari), who had an assumed Muslim Title 'Ali Khan', erected the Nyidaw Zedi, which can be roughly translated as 'The Pagoda built by the Younger Brother'. His son and successor King Ba Saw Phru alias Kaliman Shah constructed four Buddhists temples including the Maha Bodi Shwegu Pagoda. His son Dan Ugga alias Daluya, who bore the Muslim Title Moguh Shah, was the donor of Thongyaik Tasu Temple (meaning the temple of Thirty One Buddhas). His successor Min Yan Aung (Man Ran Aung) alias Narui Shah founded the Htupayon Pagoda. Min Bin (Man Ban) had an assumed Muslim Title of Zabauk Shah; and was the donor of seven temples including Shit Thaung Phaya (Shite Thaung Phara) or the Temple of Eighty Thousand Buddha Statues. Min Phalaung (Man Phalaung) alias Secudah Shah was the donor of six temples including Htukkan Thein, his son Min Yaza Gyi (Man Raza Gri) with the Muslim Title Salem Shah donated Phaya Paw (Phara Paw) Pagoda and Pakhan Thein in Mrauk U and also Shwe Kyaung Pyin Monastery in Thandwe. Min Khamaung, who subjoined the Muslim Title Hussein Shah constructed Yatanapon (Ratanabon) and Yatana Pyethet (Ratana Prethat) Pagodas and his son Thri Thudhamma (meaning the Protector of Buddhist Religion) alias Salem Shah the Second, erected the Sekkya Manaung (Sakkya Manaung) Pagoda.

These people who has roots in Burma for centuries.

where the fact 'These people who has roots in Burma for centuries.'.... ? i didn't see anywhere...!!

These people who has roots in Burma for centuries.

u said these Roewengyas, the descendants of Arabs, Pathans and the then immigrants from Bengal in a previous article entitled "Roewengyas in Arakan" which was published in this magazines Vol: VII, No. 5 for May 1960.

how did u calculate these are live in there for Century..??

The Real Muslim ethnic live in there for centries is


Kaman Muslims Some Muslim settlement began only after Min Saw Mun (Man Saw Muan) regained the throne of Arakan in 1430 with the help of the Sultan of Gaur. There were some Muslim troops in Mrauk U to protect Min Saw Mun (Man Saw Muan) from the Burmese invasion. About two hundred years later, some followers of Mogul Prince Shah Shuja, who took refuge by the Arakanese king Sanda Thuddhama, joined the descendants of these soldiers. These groups of mercenaries were Afghans, Persians and Moguls. They were called "Kamans", meaning archers in Persian language. Their descendants still live in the Rakhine State, particularly in Akyab (Sittwe) District and Rambree Island. Now they are assimilated into the Arakanese society. Only in religion and complexion do they differ from the Arakanese (Rakhaing/Rakhine), they know the Arakanese language, literature and Buddhist traditions very well. Most of them have Burmese/Arakanese names. They rarely used their Muslim names.

these Rohingyas were Burmese citizen till 70s. Only in 1982 your military junta made insane law which states it cant take the migrants after 1823.

LOL they just got White cards which means still need to prove to be a citizen...

So how about the ur Bangladesh Ambassador Khwaja Mohammed Kaiser admitted to Burma..? @bongbang

 

[bongbang]

He said Bengali Muslim population increased from 58,255 in 1871 to 178,647 in 1911. The Bengalis had become the great majority groups in Maungdaw and Buthedaung townships representing 94% and 84% respectively of the total populations there.

That is 1 century

Arakanese Kingdom of Mrohaung, in southern Myanmar (Burma), state whose longevity (1433–1785) provided a strong tradition of independence for the Arakan region, a coastal strip on the Bay of Bengal.

King Narameikhla founded a strong, stable kingdom in 1433. In 1531 the first European ships appeared in the region, and Portuguese freebooters began to settle at Chittagong. Mrohaung’s navy, under the leadership of King Minbin and with Portuguese assistance, was the terror of the Ganges River region. Arakan’s neighbour and traditional antagonist, Bengal, was weak; the freebooters raided there at will, carrying hundreds of slaves off to Arakan.

That is over 5 centuries there

n Dianga also the Portuguese were killed. Some of them fled away. Gonsalves Tibao, one of the Dianga Portuguese, who turned into a pirate, made himself king of Sandwip, an island at the mouth of the Padma River. He became so bold that in 1616 he attempted a raid on Arakan, but was bitterly defeated by Min Kha Maung alias Hussain Shah (1612-1622), son of Min Yaza Gyi, with the help of the Dutch who hate the Portuguese. In this expedition a large number of slaves were brought to Arakan.

That is 4 centuries there

So how about the ur Bangladesh Ambassador Khwaja Mohammed Kaiser admitted to Burma..? @bongbang

That is propaganda.

 

[Aung Zaya]

That is over 5 centuries there

That is 4 centuries there

Do u see about kaman muslim which is our ethnic..? go and read it...

That is 4 centuries there

read it..!!
There are some Muslims living in Thandwe District. These Muslims are called "Myay Du". They are the descendants of the former "Pagoda Slaves". When King Min Bin (Man Ban) alias Min Bargyi (Man Bargri) reoccupied the Chittagong District in A.D. 1533, he brought back some Bengalis as prisoners of war and let them work as menial workers at Andaw, Nandaw and Sandaw Pagodas in Thandwe. Since they had to do menial works and were not free people anymore, they were called "Pagoda Slaves". In the year 1624, these Bengali "Pagoda Slaves" supported the 'Palace revolution' lead by the 'Duke of Thandwe' and the crown prince then, Min Khamaung, against his own father King Raza Gri. After the aborted revolution against the Arakanese king these 'Bengali Pagoda Slaves' and their families, all together about four thousand people, escaped to the Burmese kingdom of Ava to take refuge. The Burmese king accepted them as his subjects, gave them their freedom by royal orders declaring that they were no longer "Pagoda Slaves", and let them settle in the small town Myay Du. That's why they were known as "Myay Du Muslims". These "Myay Du Muslims", generation by generation, served in the Burmese Royal Army. When Bodaw Phaya's armies invaded Arakan in1784, the descendants of these "Myay Du Muslims" came together with the Burmese Army at Thandwe front. When the Burmese occupied Arakan they let the "Myay Dus" resettle in Thandwe and nearby villages. Since these people had lived about 150 years in Upper Burma, these "Myay Dus" were assimilated into Burmese society. Although their descendants live in Thandwe District, they speak Burmese central dialect instead of Arakanese Thandwe Dialect. Only in complexion and faith do they differ from the Arakanese and Burmese, yet they know the Burmese language, culture and traditions very well. Officially, they have Burmese/Arakanese names. They rarely use their Muslim names in public. See also: Tydd, W.D., Burma Gazetteer, Sandoway District, Vol.A, Rangoon, 1926.

these muslim already become our ethnic....

That is propaganda.

that's from report of British Embassy at 1975.. So Do u wanna say " British Embassy making propaganda "...?

 

[bongbang]

that's from report of British Embassy at 1975.. So Do u wanna say " British Embassy making propaganda "...?

Other than posting these screenshots. Quote from some credible sources. And if its true International communities had never made so much fuss. And BD also had no problems to take them.

 

[alaungphaya]

why did Arakan Kings has Muslim name...?

the Answer is Here...


Buddhists kings with Pseudonym Muslim Titles: The 'Rohingyas' claimed that Arakan was ruled by the Muslim kings from 1430 for about 100 years. In fact, the Kingdom of Mrauk U was not established by the 'Rohingyas'. All kings of the Mrauk U dynasty were Buddhists. Some kings had assumed Muslim Titles because, as mentioned above, Min Saw Mun (Man Saw Muan), the founder of the Mrauk U City wanted to show his gratitude to the Sultan of Gaur who helped him to regain the Arakanese throne in 1430. Hence, he promised the Sultan that the Arakanese kings would bear Pseudonym Muslim Titles.

But in fact, all of the Arakanese kings were donors of many temples in Mrauk U as well as in the other parts of Arakan. They did make coins, one side with Burmese/Arakanese scripts and the other side with Persian (NOT Bengali).

For example: Min Saw Mun (Man Saw Muan), the founder of the Mrauk U City with the assumed Muslim Title 'Suleiman Shah' built seven Buddhists temples in Mrauk U. One of them was Laymyetna Phaya (Leemyatna Phara) in Mrauk U (now Mrohaung). His successor and younger brother Min Khayi (Man Khari), who had an assumed Muslim Title 'Ali Khan', erected the Nyidaw Zedi, which can be roughly translated as 'The Pagoda built by the Younger Brother'. His son and successor King Ba Saw Phru alias Kaliman Shah constructed four Buddhists temples including the Maha Bodi Shwegu Pagoda. His son Dan Ugga alias Daluya, who bore the Muslim Title Moguh Shah, was the donor of Thongyaik Tasu Temple (meaning the temple of Thirty One Buddhas). His successor Min Yan Aung (Man Ran Aung) alias Narui Shah founded the Htupayon Pagoda. Min Bin (Man Ban) had an assumed Muslim Title of Zabauk Shah; and was the donor of seven temples including Shit Thaung Phaya (Shite Thaung Phara) or the Temple of Eighty Thousand Buddha Statues. Min Phalaung (Man Phalaung) alias Secudah Shah was the donor of six temples including Htukkan Thein, his son Min Yaza Gyi (Man Raza Gri) with the Muslim Title Salem Shah donated Phaya Paw (Phara Paw) Pagoda and Pakhan Thein in Mrauk U and also Shwe Kyaung Pyin Monastery in Thandwe. Min Khamaung, who subjoined the Muslim Title Hussein Shah constructed Yatanapon (Ratanabon) and Yatana Pyethet (Ratana Prethat) Pagodas and his son Thri Thudhamma (meaning the Protector of Buddhist Religion) alias Salem Shah the Second, erected the Sekkya Manaung (Sakkya Manaung) Pagoda.





where the fact 'These people who has roots in Burma for centuries.'.... ? i didn't see anywhere...!!



u said these Roewengyas, the descendants of Arabs, Pathans and the then immigrants from Bengal in a previous article entitled "Roewengyas in Arakan" which was published in this magazines Vol: VII, No. 5 for May 1960.

how did u calculate these are live in there for Century..??

The Real Muslim ethnic live in there for centries is


Kaman Muslims Some Muslim settlement began only after Min Saw Mun (Man Saw Muan) regained the throne of Arakan in 1430 with the help of the Sultan of Gaur. There were some Muslim troops in Mrauk U to protect Min Saw Mun (Man Saw Muan) from the Burmese invasion. About two hundred years later, some followers of Mogul Prince Shah Shuja, who took refuge by the Arakanese king Sanda Thuddhama, joined the descendants of these soldiers. These groups of mercenaries were Afghans, Persians and Moguls. They were called "Kamans", meaning archers in Persian language. Their descendants still live in the Rakhine State, particularly in Akyab (Sittwe) District and Rambree Island. Now they are assimilated into the Arakanese society. Only in religion and complexion do they differ from the Arakanese (Rakhaing/Rakhine), they know the Arakanese language, literature and Buddhist traditions very well. Most of them have Burmese/Arakanese names. They rarely used their Muslim names.



LOL they just got White cards which means still need to prove to be a citizen...

So how about the ur Bangladesh Ambassador Khwaja Mohammed Kaiser admitted to Burma..? @bongbang

Where did you get those excerpts from, nyi lay? I want to have a look.

@Aung Zaya