No problem with US, India partnership, provided it doesn’t come at Pakistan’s cost: Khawaja Asif

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The U.S, NATO, India plus afghan republic were a major MAJOR long term strategic threat to Pakistan

Pakistan tried to explain to the U.S that we would not tolerate a India on our western borders, but they didn't listen or didn't care

And afghans and indians purposely tried to screw us with their plans


So Pakistan did what it had to do and that is bring ALL OF THEM DOWN

Strategically it was a MASTERCLASS in subterfuge and planning



their was ALWAYS going to be a fallout, I'm not sure why this is so difficult for people to understand
But it's not a strategic threat and it's manageable

apart from China, surely Pak have other friends and allies.. who ?

 

[hussain0216]

Dangerous? Brother, you don't have enough fuel to fight a full-on war for more than two weeks before you start pumping out civilian fuel from gas stations throughout Pakistan.
You're running around asking for $ 1 billion; in what capacity are you dangerous?

Even the Taliban said they don't want to take any part of Pakistan because they would be stuck paying its debt rather than enjoying the land.



They left to counter another threat called China. On top of that, they came and did what they wanted. @LeGenD has a post he went into detail(s) regarding this matter.

Had the U.S. wanted, they could have stayed, and there was nothing you or anyone in this world could have done to counter the U.S. Look at Europe U.S. openly supplying weapons to Ukraine and what did Russia do? Nothing, hence you will do nothing.

Your economy was in the gutter in the 1990s; it was an American blessing. They eliminated a lot of sanctions and allowed you to be integrated into the global economy. But just as quickly they hooked you up, it's just as easily they can un-hook you.


While both of you are discussing fantasies and conspiracy theories, India is inking deals to manufacture GE engines, and Micron signed a $ 1 billion contract to manufacture semiconductors. Even the Arabs are building malls in Occupied Kashmir, smiting your nose, and giving billions to other Indian firms. They are being offered openly weapons that Indians would want, and who's to say it can't be used against Pakistan? While you are relegated to purchasing third-rate weapons.

Why they left doesn't really matter,, they left with their tails tucked between their legs is just a reality.

India lost 2 DECADES of planning and investment in Afghanistan


Pakistan has a political and knock on economic problem that is becoming serious and threatening our strategic interests

For decades, one way or the other through common religion connection , influence etc we have stopped or reduced the Muslim world a connection with India

India however is a 1.4 Billion overpopulated dump and that population attracts economic development,, is even with multiple multiple problems FDI is being attracted and their is growth inside India,, even though hundreds upun hundreds of millions are dirt poor and will remain so they have the base to make money


Now India is a horrendous toxic communal mess, if you follow efforts to on create problems within India you will understand the massive fault linea within india


Pakistans problem isn't our efforts in Afghanistan which were incredible,, it's that we are the 5 tg biggest country in the world and due to political engineering have not had stability and thus economic growth

We desperately need change, economic growth will come quickly as we in essence are underdeveloped,, but we desperately need political change

apart from China, surely Pak have other friends and allies.. who ?

Outright ally would be Turkey, GCC, multiple Muslim countries within OIC

Pakistan has good solid relations with multiple states even in the west

The problem is you can't repeatedly create political problems within your own country and then turn up with limited things to offer always asking for support

Even if those countries are supportive of you they can see the political engineering at home and have little trust in the current system

 

[Baburfromsarmarkand]

Shameless, talking to bigger powers like he has any weight in global matters, no sense of self worth. Build yourself up first then give commands. I'm sure the US gives a flip more about that tiny nation called Taiwan than this massive unproductive defaulting nation.

 

[protean]

Why they left doesn't really matter,, they left with their tails tucked between their legs is just a reality.

India lost 2 DECADES of planning and investment in Afghanistan


Pakistan has a political and knock on economic problem that is becoming serious and threatening our strategic interests

For decades, one way or the other through common religion connection , influence etc we have stopped or reduced the Muslim world a connection with India

India however is a 1.4 Billion overpopulated dump and that population attracts economic development,, is even with multiple multiple problems FDI is being attracted and their is growth inside India,, even though hundreds upun hundreds of millions are dirt poor and will remain so they have the base to make money


Now India is a horrendous toxic communal mess, if you follow efforts to on create problems within India you will understand the massive fault linea within india


Pakistans problem isn't our efforts in Afghanistan which were incredible,, it's that we are the 5 tg biggest country in the world and due to political engineering have not had stability and thus economic growth

We desperately need change, economic growth will come quickly as we in essence are underdeveloped,, but we desperately need political change



Outright ally would be Turkey, GCC, multiple Muslim countries within OIC

Pakistan has good solid relations with multiple states even in the west

The problem is you can't repeatedly create political problems within your own country and then turn up with limited things to offer always asking for support

Even if those countries are supportive of you they can see the political engineering at home and have little trust in the current system

This was all okay if Afghan border was stable today. Terror attacks have increased significantly since that. What Pakistan thought as a master stroke turned out be a duck out. I am not sure why people have difficulty to even understand that. To think Pak PM couldn't get a phone call from US president since then tells you what a master stroke it was. China letting Pakistan to economically suffer like this tells you a different story of how countries got vexed with Pakistans constant begging bowl. Even Afghan Taliban are prodding the Pakistan to get their house in order tells you how bad it is for Pakistan diplomatically. I can't help if choose to stick your head in your *** and ignore everything happening around you.

 

[hussain0216]

This was all okay if Afghan border was stable today. Terror attacks have increased significantly since that. What Pakistan thought as a master stroke turned out be a duck out. I am not sure why people have difficulty to even understand that. To think Pak PM couldn't get a phone call from US president since then tells you what a master stroke it was. China letting Pakistan to economically suffer like this tells you a different story of how countries got vexed with Pakistans constant begging bowl. Even Afghan Taliban are prodding the Pakistan to get their house in order tells you how bad it is for Pakistan diplomatically. I can't help if choose to stick your head in your *** and ignore everything happening around you.

On the contrary only a blind moron would not understand that their would be INEVITABLE fallout on the western border

The afghans at the end of the day remain afghans and they have been after us for decades and that won't change today, tomorrow or next 100 years,

Our biggest problem is NOT the afghans over the border in Afghanistan,, it's the afghans on our side of the border whose loyalty is to Afghanistan and Kabul and Lar aur bar
The Afghan Republic alongside the Afghan or pashtun nationalists on our side were planning over the last few decades.
The Afghan Republic at no point had eased any of our concerns and if anything had made anti Pakistan statements multiple times , they had conferences and the likes of PTM and NDS politicians went over

The Taliban are a headache but they help us deconstruct the afghans, once again problems will remain but the long term strategic threat dissipates



Even now after repeated pressure, the Taliban are beginning to move TTP families and groups to the North of Afghanistan

Pashtuns is their guiding goal and as long as they keep it in Afghanistan, it's fine



It's understandable that the U.S is going to be "salty" they had to tuck tail and run, they understand China is the main enemy and they need India as a patsy in the region
They want Pakistan to play ball, but allowing India space in the region is intolerable for us

Fundamentally we shoot ourselves in our own foot with the political donkey behaviour

Allowing IK and PTI to continue to elections would have bought stability and a government with a majority and a mandate to bring Change


But that would threaten the establishment, the establishment is not just the military, it's the judiciary, it's the established parties and families, waderas and economic groups etc

So they all got together just to save their own necks

Political instabilities and economic problems go hand in hand and a country that has no finance has little geo strategic clout

Our actions in Afghanistan against multiple enemies was NECESSARY, regardless of the fallout
Our political suicide since is just stupid

 

[Neelo]

This defence minster is nothing, but a poodle servant. This is nothing more than cosmetic lip service. His daughter runs around in the US. Insincere bastards can't even lie properly.

The Pakistani generals have a deal with the Americans. There is a reason why we barely hear any criticism from the Americans with regards to the abductions and torture. The Americans and the generals are temporarily in bed and have ousted Imran Khan. Their bonhomie is very limited and short-lived though. The US is fully in bed with Hindustan. No matter what happens, the US will at all cost satisfy Hindustani demands. In fact it has been doing so for many years since the Bush days. Pakistan has a certain utility, but very insignificant and limited to US goals. The US wants a lackey Pakistan that is nothing more than a satellite state of India. That is the role that has been reserved for Pakistan. The Yanks are extremely sensitive to Pakistan having any sort of regional pact with China. It angers the Americans very much.

Exactly why I said it was futile for Imran Khan to retreat back from his accusations of American interference!

 

[Dalit]

Exactly why I said it was futile for Imran Khan to retreat back from his accusations of American interference!

He did it because he had no allies left. He still has no ally except the people of Pakistan.

 

[Kaniska]

Sometimes I wonder, do India and Pakistan people really understand how they are made fool by Superpowers?

- Pakistan is simply used and dumped the moment the US decided to withdraw from Afghanistan...Now, Pakistan can say a hundred things about US, but Pakistan turned itself irreverent with the large scheme of things for US.
- Pakistan has neither the potential nor political stability to assist with anything substantial that would help to provide strategic benefit to the US except controlling and managing India in case India talks too loud about Non-Allignment.

- Neither the US nor Biden Govt cares about India...We should really stop watching any South Asian news channel whenever we are discussing foreign policy.. If the US would have cared so much about us, then Biden should not have invited Modi to this penultimate year of their presidency. These visits are simply showcased visit both have a kind of political angle for BJP's domestic audience.
- US will not share any kind of sensitive technology for India...It is just another lollypop by US to boost our ego in front of a domestic audience that does not mean anything.

And now, coming to this topic, Pakistan's defense minister's statement is really funny. Pakistan army will continue to facilitate the West's interest as the US knows the key player in the region. It does not matter what is your politician says in the media, these are just useless statements. IK episode is a classic example for the whole world to see.

 

[IceCold]

Nobody asked beggars opinion.

 

[epebble]

but Pakistan turned itself irreverent with the large scheme of things for US.

In case you didn't realize, you created a pun there.

 

[khansaheeb]

Indian plan for the US:-

 

[LeGenD]

The U.S, NATO, India plus afghan republic were a major MAJOR long term strategic threat to Pakistan

Pakistan tried to explain to the U.S that we would not tolerate a India on our western borders, but they didn't listen or didn't care

And afghans and indians purposely tried to screw us with their plans


So Pakistan did what it had to do and that is bring ALL OF THEM DOWN

Strategically it was a MASTERCLASS in subterfuge and planning



their was ALWAYS going to be a fallout, I'm not sure why this is so difficult for people to understand
But it's not a strategic threat and it's manageable

Whomsoever comes to power in Afghanistan, will prioritize interests of Afghanistan over that of Pakistan, this is logical. TTA embraced "Ummah sentiment" in Pakistan as a "survival strategy" for its benefit. Many in Pakistan were happy to see TTA's return to power in 2021. The Establishment expected from TTA to help dismantle TTP in exchange for its favors but TTA told Pakistan that this is not its fight. So much for the strategic depth.

India lost 2 DECADES of planning and investment in Afghanistan

India-Taliban relations: A careful balancing act, driven by pragmatism

An ongoing power struggle for the position of ambassador at the Afghan embassy in New Delhi underlines India’s diplomatic quandary about the nature of its engagement with the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

www.mei.edu

India can build rapport with TTA if it feels the need to.

Pakistan has a political and knock on economic problem that is becoming serious and threatening our strategic interests

For decades, one way or the other through common religion connection , influence etc we have stopped or reduced the Muslim world a connection with India

India however is a 1.4 Billion overpopulated dump and that population attracts economic development,, is even with multiple multiple problems FDI is being attracted and their is growth inside India,, even though hundreds upun hundreds of millions are dirt poor and will remain so they have the base to make money


Now India is a horrendous toxic communal mess, if you follow efforts to on create problems within India you will understand the massive fault linea within india


Pakistans problem isn't our efforts in Afghanistan which were incredible,, it's that we are the 5 tg biggest country in the world and due to political engineering have not had stability and thus economic growth

We desperately need change, economic growth will come quickly as we in essence are underdeveloped,, but we desperately need political change



Outright ally would be Turkey, GCC, multiple Muslim countries within OIC

Pakistan has good solid relations with multiple states even in the west

The problem is you can't repeatedly create political problems within your own country and then turn up with limited things to offer always asking for support

Even if those countries are supportive of you they can see the political engineering at home and have little trust in the current system

How can Pakistan develop its economy by alienating the WEST?

War in Afghanistan was a litmus test for Pakistan on many counts and provided an opportunity to rebuild relationship with the US. Pakistan should have pushed for a solution that was acceptable to the TRIO. But Pakistan was too focused on preserving TTA.

Pakistan - US bilateral relationship is damaged and US has moved on to India. No country in the WEST is willing to provide economic aid to Pakistan in these trying times. No country in the WEST is willing to make significant investments in Pakistan like in India. Even GCC is offering much better deals and trade opportunities to India lately.

GCC emerges as India’s largest trading partner bloc: Indian commerce ministry

The Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) has emerged as India’s largest trading partner bloc in the financial year 2021-22 with bilateral trade valued at over

english.alarabiya.net

India, GCC discuss bilateral ties, agree for early finalization of FTA

The Indian official appealed for more collaboration between the two countries in renewable energy, food security, health, IT sector and counter terrorism.

saudigazette.com.sa

Pakistan's economy has shrunk:

Pakistan Loses USD 7.15 Billion Due To Shrinking Exports, Remittances

Pakistan Loses USD 7 15 Billion Due To Shrinking Exports Remittances

www.businessworld.in

IMF has released funds for Sri Lanka and Bangladesh but Pakistan.

India is growing and moving forward on many counts while Pakistani continue to chest beat.

The Establishment continues to make policy decisions for Pakistan in pursuit of strategic depth. This is not how it works. Economy is developed with a well-calculated Foreign Policy and by empowering people.

 

[hussain0216]

Whomsoever comes to power in Afghanistan, will prioritize interests of Afghanistan over that of Pakistan. TTA made the most out of "Ummah sentiment" in Pakistan as a "survival strategy" until it returned to power in Afghanistan. Many in Pakistan were happy to see TTA's return to power in 2021. The Establishment expected from TTA to help dismantle TTP in exchange for its favors but TTA told Pakistan that this is not its fight. So much for the strategic depth.

India-Taliban relations: A careful balancing act, driven by pragmatism

An ongoing power struggle for the position of ambassador at the Afghan embassy in New Delhi underlines India’s diplomatic quandary about the nature of its engagement with the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

www.mei.edu

India can build rapport with TTA if it feels the need to.



How can Pakistan develop its economy by alienating the WEST? This is wishful thinking.

War in Afghanistan was a litmus test for Pakistan's strategic calculus on many counts and provided an opportunity to rebuild relationship with US. Pakistan should have pushed for a solution that was acceptable to the TRIO. But Pakistan was too focused on preserving TTA.

Pakistan - US bilateral relationship is damaged and US has moved on to India. No country in the WEST is willing to provide economic aid to Pakistan in these trying times. No country in the WEST is willing to make significant investments in Pakistan like in India. Even GCC is offering much better deals and trade opportunities to India lately.

GCC emerges as India’s largest trading partner bloc: Indian commerce ministry

The Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) has emerged as India’s largest trading partner bloc in the financial year 2021-22 with bilateral trade valued at over

english.alarabiya.net

India, GCC discuss bilateral ties, agree for early finalization of FTA

The Indian official appealed for more collaboration between the two countries in renewable energy, food security, health, IT sector and counter terrorism.

saudigazette.com.sa

Pakistan's economy has shrunk:

Pakistan Loses USD 7.15 Billion Due To Shrinking Exports, Remittances

Pakistan Loses USD 7 15 Billion Due To Shrinking Exports Remittances

www.businessworld.in

IMF has released funds for Sri Lanka and Bangladesh but Pakistan.

India is growing and moving forward on many counts while Pakistani continue to chest beat.

The Establishment continues to make policy decisions for Pakistan in pursuit of strategic depth. This is not how it works. Economy is developed with a well-calculated Foreign Policy and by empowering people.

What happened in Afghanistan was a necessity,, the U.S and India on our western borders was a considerable, significant long term threat

It's simply doesn't matter which way you want to look at it, the Afghan Republic in it's current form was dangerous to us and with the U.S and India plotting and planning, we had to act



The economic and political issues however are nothing short of farcical, Pakistan cannot sacrifice it's long term strategic interests for Luke warm relations with the U.S or any country but those relations can slowly be mended
Pakistan is underdeveloped, it is the 5th biggest country in the world, there are prospects for companies

Our issues are establishment oversight which currently are detrimental to our interests and nothing short of piss poor politics by our next to worthless political parties
Add to it ethnocentric stupidity and people eager to turn to violence at a drop of a hat and you have a system where change becomes difficult

 

[LeGenD]

What happened in Afghanistan was a necessity,, the U.S and India on our western borders was a considerable, significant long term threat

It's simply doesn't matter which way you want to look at it, the Afghan Republic in it's current form was dangerous to us and with the U.S and India plotting and planning, we had to act



The economic and political issues however are nothing short of farcical, Pakistan cannot sacrifice it's long term strategic interests for Luke warm relations with the U.S or any country but those relations can slowly be mended
Pakistan is underdeveloped, it is the 5th biggest country in the world, there are prospects for companies

Our issues are establishment oversight which currently are detrimental to our interests and nothing short of piss poor politics by our next to worthless political parties
Add to it ethnocentric stupidity and people eager to turn to violence at a drop of a hat and you have a system where change becomes difficult

What was US plotting and planning? And what was India plotting and planning?

India was not willing to deploy its troops in Afghanistan while War On Terror made it possible for Pakistan to significantly improve its security regime and manage its economic situation with American support in the form of supply of arms and money flows. This improvement is very clearly apparent in the PAF's performance against the IAF in 2019 vis à vis 1999.

US assassinated a number of Taliban leaders and pushed Pakistan to dismantle all Taliban groups including TTP. But Pakistan chose to confront TTP only and this too intermittently.

The outcome:

- American support is gone.
- TTA rejected the Intra-Afghan Dialogue.
- TTP has recovered.

3. Pakistan had much better trade flows with the US-backed Afghan setup. Not anymore.

US and India can warm up to TTA as well. India is testing the waters already and TTA has invited India to complete its projects in Afghanistan. TTA will court Pakistan but focus on its interests in the long term. This is how it is.

Best of luck with trying to rebuild relations with the US. Americans will do bear minimum for Pakistan because extremism and terrorism continue to be pressing concerns in the region. Americans have found a much better alternative in India wherein they see a country with independent foreign policy and a huge market.

Pakistan has squandered a golden opportunity to rebuild relations with the WEST due to its paranoia.

 

[Jango]

The bigger question is, what would we do if the relations did come at a cost?

Are we even in a position to do anything?

Getting out of domestic Pakistani politics, we as a country need to be self reliant and independent of things, and come to a stage where the world needs us rather than us needing them.

And this need should arise not only due to security related issues (such as US needing Pak in Afghanistan) but due to economic or technological reasons.

There was a reason the world wasn't shunning Putin away for so long, and it isn't standing up to the Saudis, because they have something the world needs. Same with India and China.

We need to get out of the past and see ourselves for what we are now, and then build from that and become a regional powerhouse in terms of economy and product.