'No peace without...': Shehbaz Sharif links normal ties to India with Kashmir

[Azadkashmir]

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Respect your PM, Sir

 

[MisterSyed]

Iski ********. Sometimes i think why do we even trust Pakistan on this one. Jab bhe koi aisa leader ata jo Voice Raise krta ha usko kisi na kisi tareeqa sa haata dete.

 

[R Wing]

I hate PDM, like any thinking Pakistani / morally alive human being.

But IOK was sold off long ago by Bajwa. The top brass opined that peace with India was in the long-term best interest of Pakistan.

I think peace is always great, but not when a rabid Hindutva terroristic government is funding proxies to kill your people on your Western flank. Not when IOK is oppressed the way it is.

The result has been, as expected (don't these generals read history or learn about the realist school of thought?), that the deterrence deficit with India has grown to an untenable degree. RAW-backed proxies kill our people, and there is no tit-for-tat response by the ISI.

This is, by all definitions, surrender. That's why I disliked Bajwa LONG before this latest political circus.

 

[Azadkashmir]

Respect your PM, Sir

you shut da fuk up. this is pak forum.

 

[Wood]

SS has maintained Pakistan's standard script of resolving Kashmir according to the wishes of the Kashmiri people as per UN mandate. The new administration will not have any room to focus on India or Kashmir given the domestic political challenges that they face. Whoever gets the mandate after next general election in Pakistan can be taken seriously.

 

[Black Vigo]

It was all expected from Showbaz and Co

 

[satyamev]

Respect your PM, Sir

A xenophobic mob mentality has gripped some sections of Pakistan at the moment.
All foreigners bad, world is out to get us, etc. , and the funniest part is that most are sitting outside Pakistan.
Imran dodged a bullet in my view by being deposed.
With oil prices so high, in a month's time Pakistan would have been in a precarious position. With his demonstrated incompetence and pis.ng off the west , he would have sunk Pakistan.
Now its become Sharif's headache to resurrect the economy. Sharif should have given him a month more in office and much bigger mobs would be asking for his removal.

 

[Krptonite]

I hate PDM, like any thinking Pakistani / morally alive human being.

But IOK was sold off long ago by Bajwa. The top brass opined that peace with India was in the long-term best interest of Pakistan.

I think peace is always great, but not when a rabid Hindutva terroristic government is funding proxies to kill your people on your Western flank. Not when IOK is oppressed the way it is.

The result has been, as expected (don't these generals read history or learn about the realist school of thought?), that the deterrence deficit with India has grown to an untenable degree. RAW-backed proxies kill our people, and there is no tit-for-tat response by the ISI.

This is, by all definitions, surrender. That's why I disliked Bajwa LONG before this latest political circus.

Respectfully sir, I would opine this is GoP receding back from an agressive mentality in the face of an opponent who is itching to hit back, veracity or effectiveness be damned. It makes for a poor military startegy to fight where the opponent wants to fight, that line of thinking was what started this mess.

I would like you to consider and research the number of terror outfits cultivated and breeeded specifically by GoPs intellegencia in a bid to bleed GoI. This was the idea from 90s onwards. That is not to suggest the hands are clean on this side of the fence, but in all honesty we were facing off against professionals in this regard.

Three main factors have showcased this strategem to have ruinous long term effects.

1. Military Equipment given by USA to GoP wound up being used to assist Mumbai attackers. This was tracked and verified. This shifted the international community opinion in a decidedly negative image of GoPs credibility. The FATF may be a political tool but to deny that such an overwhelming number of members voted against GoP and frame it as a global conspiracy would be masking the inherent issues at play.

2. GoI is now willing to hit back, be it a failure, a propaganda, a ruse or underhanded tactics, but it will now go on public record in retaliation of domestic terror incident. Their success or failures have the same negative destabilising effect on economy. Denying GoIs involvement in terror activities in Pakistan would be naive but to present it as the only explanation obfuscates the rot spreading within.

3. Foreign relations are much more important in an emerging multi polar world. I would like you to address and contemplate the foreign relations of GoP. Its traditional allies are few but strong. That translates to fewer options for GoPs foreign policy when addressing domestic problems. Being percieved (truthfully or via malicious intent, the result would be the same) as terror exporting state reduces the initiative for closer cooperation and thereby snuffing out economic opportunities. Surely you can agree having the same number of lenders to cycle through for economic assistance is not an advantageous position.

For all their faults, IMO the polity on your side has realised that the current startegem is visibly not working and realigning to best address the most pressing need GoP currently faces, Economics.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Imran khans stance - no talks till 370 is reverted
Cherry blossoms stance - no normal ties till kashmir issue is resolved - so vague and a step back

 

[SIPRA]

These scoundrels will make Pakistan a vassal state of India.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Respectfully sir, I would opine this is GoP receding back from an agressive mentality in the face of an opponent who is itching to hit back, veracity or effectiveness be damned. It makes for a poor military startegy to fight where the opponent wants to fight, that line of thinking was what started this mess.

I would like you to consider and research the number of terror outfits cultivated and breeeded specifically by GoPs intellegencia in a bid to bleed GoI. This was the idea from 90s onwards. That is not to suggest the hands are clean on this side of the fence, but in all honesty we were facing off against professionals in this regard.

Three main factors have showcased this strategem to have ruinous long term effects.

1. Military Equipment given by USA to GoP wound up being used to assist Mumbai attackers. This was tracked and verified. This shifted the international community opinion in a decidedly negative image of GoPs credibility. The FATF may be a political tool but to deny that such an overwhelming number of members voted against GoP and frame it as a global conspiracy would be masking the inherent issues at play.

2. GoI is now willing to hit back, be it a failure, a propaganda, a ruse or underhanded tactics, but it will now go on public record in retaliation of domestic terror incident. Their success or failures have the same negative destabilising effect on economy. Denying GoIs involvement in terror activities in Pakistan would be naive but to present it as the only explanation obfuscates the rot spreading within.

3. Foreign relations are much more important in an emerging multi polar world. I would like you to address and contemplate the foreign relations of GoP. Its traditional allies are few but strong. That translates to fewer options for GoPs foreign policy when addressing domestic problems. Being percieved (truthfully or via malicious intent, the result would be the same) as terror exporting state reduces the initiative for closer cooperation and thereby snuffing out economic opportunities. Surely you can agree having the same number of lenders to cycle through for economic assistance is not an advantageous position.

For all their faults, IMO the polity on your side has realised that the current startegem is visibly not working and realigning to best address the most pressing need GoP currently faces, Economics.

What fight?.......................india is MORE than 7× bigger than Pakistan yet still remains far too weak and powerless to try to take on Pakistan.....................so much so that they are reduced to trolling on the internet like you....................also, judging by the performance of top of the line russian military hardware in ukraine, if india goes to war against Pakistan they would be in serious trouble considering that the indian military is mostly made up of lower tier russian equipment..............

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Respectfully sir, I would opine this is GoP receding back from an agressive mentality in the face of an opponent who is itching to hit back, veracity or effectiveness be damned. It makes for a poor military startegy to fight where the opponent wants to fight, that line of thinking was what started this mess.

I would like you to consider and research the number of terror outfits cultivated and breeeded specifically by GoPs intellegencia in a bid to bleed GoI. This was the idea from 90s onwards. That is not to suggest the hands are clean on this side of the fence, but in all honesty we were facing off against professionals in this regard.

Three main factors have showcased this strategem to have ruinous long term effects.

1. Military Equipment given by USA to GoP wound up being used to assist Mumbai attackers. This was tracked and verified. This shifted the international community opinion in a decidedly negative image of GoPs credibility. The FATF may be a political tool but to deny that such an overwhelming number of members voted against GoP and frame it as a global conspiracy would be masking the inherent issues at play.

2. GoI is now willing to hit back, be it a failure, a propaganda, a ruse or underhanded tactics, but it will now go on public record in retaliation of domestic terror incident. Their success or failures have the same negative destabilising effect on economy. Denying GoIs involvement in terror activities in Pakistan would be naive but to present it as the only explanation obfuscates the rot spreading within.

3. Foreign relations are much more important in an emerging multi polar world. I would like you to address and contemplate the foreign relations of GoP. Its traditional allies are few but strong. That translates to fewer options for GoPs foreign policy when addressing domestic problems. Being percieved (truthfully or via malicious intent, the result would be the same) as terror exporting state reduces the initiative for closer cooperation and thereby snuffing out economic opportunities. Surely you can agree having the same number of lenders to cycle through for economic assistance is not an advantageous position.

For all their faults, IMO the polity on your side has realised that the current startegem is visibly not working and realigning to best address the most pressing need GoP currently faces, Economics.

Also you have 0 evidence for ALL your claims above...........

 

[Menace2Society]

Ok, anyways no talk till perpetrators of terror are handed over . So it's all redundant statements

You don't get to keep using language like terror. India is the terror of Kashmir with your dirty 3rd world habits. India is large enough, it doesn't need to be where it doesn't belong.

 

[Krptonite]

What fight?.......................india is MORE than 7× bigger than Pakistan yet still remains far too weak and powerless to try to take on Pakistan.....................so much so that they are reduced to trolling on the internet like you....................also, judging by the performance of top of the line russian military hardware in ukraine, if india goes to war against Pakistan they would be in serious trouble considering that the indian military is mostly made up of lower tier russian equipment..............

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