No Nobels, We're Muslim

[Peregrine]

Sorry, but ''Nobel'' awards have lost their credibility, Especially, after Obama was given one for killing people across the globe particularly in the Muslim world. It has become more of a political & ideological thing rather than honoring the intellectuals. So, i wont be surprised if Muslim's will not get any, even in the near future.

 

[MilSpec]

FAITH, REASON AND SCIENCE


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Sir,

I think poor quality of educational system largely has to with the maturity of the higher educational system and funding available to the countries to spend on research from private and public sector, and not related to the faith of the country.

I went to a normal college in India for my bachelors in engineering and studies were based on cramming as much as knowledge a student can and vomit it out on test papers.. the objective is to ensure good marks to get placement after the degree than to learn via creative thinking. I have finished my graduate studies in US, and the syllabus and the environment is completely different. The biggest difference is encouragement of creative thinking. There is not set syllabus and every subject taught is a tool for us to use in our final thesis. This is the major difference I think between US and developing countries.
In US higher educational system is geared to motivate research and in developing countries it might be geared to obtain a job.

Although Israel can be a good example to follow, as it came into existence in the same time as india and pakistan, but we all know the reason for its growth, hence wont be a right comparison.

India, pakistan are relatively newer countries of the modern world and comes with an predefined british model of education , it will take time for us to break this mold, it's a slow process but surely there are some healthy changes like IIT's in India and LUMS in pakistan that i have learned about on this forum.

to conclude, it think will not be fair to in anyway portray religious beliefs might be responsible for creating hurdles in technological potential of developing countries.
In addition lack of money, lack of infrastructure, poor std of living adds to the pressure of education for earning money by securing a job rather than creative thinking to conduct technological breakthroughs, this system effectively kills innovative thinking by large
thanks

 

[MilSpec]

Sorry, but ''Nobel'' awards have lost their credibility, Especially, after Obama was given one for killing people across the globe particularly in the Muslim world. It has become more of a political & ideological thing rather than honoring the intellectuals. So, i wont be surprised if Muslim's will not get any, even in the near future.

To an extent i agree. but still It stands as an benchmark in science because of the legacy older recipients in the field of science

 

[IND151]

Money is a factor too... Given unlimited resources I would study like crazy too and probably get into research. With the all the Steve Jobs videos out, I saw his commencement address to Stanford where he ends it with Stay Hungry, Stay foolish. Say that to a Pakistani guy and he would be like, who will pay for the kids education, food, shelter, clothing and so on.

The entire world is increasing scholarships, Pakistan just killed all its scholarship programs.

my friend can you elaborate bolded part?

 

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my friend can you elaborate bolded part?

HEC (Higher Education of Pakistan formerly known as University Grants Commission of Pakistan) had started lots of PhD scholarships for Pakistani students in local and foreign universities... don't know if they still exist

 

[Developereo]

Sorry, but ''Nobel'' awards have lost their credibility, Especially, after Obama was given one for killing people across the globe particularly in the Muslim world. It has become more of a political & ideological thing rather than honoring the intellectuals. So, i wont be surprised if Muslim's will not get any, even in the near future.

Let's not focus on the Nobel Prize: the historical bias in Nobel Prizes is well known and, if you discount the "consolation" prizes in Peace, Literate and Economics, and focus on the "hard science" prizes in Physics, Chemistry and Medicine, the "Muslim" world fares no worse than, say, south America, Africa, India or any similar economic grouping.

However, the fact remains that the Muslim world is not keeping pace with scientific progress around the world. We need to address this issue.

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to conclude, it think will not be fair to in anyway portray religious beliefs might be responsible for creating hurdles in technological potential of developing countries.

In addition lack of money, lack of infrastructure, poor std of living adds to the pressure of education for earning money by securing a job rather than creative thinking to conduct technological breakthroughs, this system effectively kills innovative thinking by large
thanks

Why do you want to spoil the party here?

 

[illuminatidinesh]

Science and religion should never be hand in hand. Religion is a belief while science is the study of world nature.

That does not mean that religion is wrong or a scientist has to be an atheist to be effective. If you really believe in your religion then science should help to confirm it not go against it. I don't understand why stupid shiekhs and mullahs hate science so much.

I consider myself a scientist I do research in my university. And when in do it infocus on what I do not what I am suppose to do.
We as muslims must stop those ignorant mullahs from hijacking our religion to increase their own power on society. Real Islam callsmfor education and science the first word of the Quran is "Iqra" which means "read" the greatest thing youmcan do to your religion is to advance your nation's scientific output.

Science and Religion can be hand in hand. Take which ever religion U want it has all the scientific data it invented in its book. There are for example Quran consists of so many important Scientific notes that we tend to ignore.
Yes U were right in stating that some Greedy humans have hijacked the Religion for their own benefit.( happens in every religion)

 

[MilSpec]

Why do you want to spoil the party here?

haha... dear we are not all saffron wearing Islam haters that would like to jump to beat on religion...

 

[Ahmad]

Another bs article by Muse. I thank you once again, think tank.

what part of it was BS?

 

[Mav3rick]

Illiterate?? Are you serious??
The average rate of GCC States Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf (GCC) was 94 %.

AND King Abdullah Project for General Education Development:
"he King Abdullah Project for General Education Development is a SR9 billion project and it will be implemented over the next six years to guarantee the availability of a highly skilled and motivated work force in the future. A number of schools in Jeddah, Riyadh and Dammam have been selected for the implementation of this project. Crown Prince Sultan will head a ministerial committee to supervise the project, which will begin with creating a high-tech classroom environment in Saudi Arabia in six years. More than 400,000 teachers will be trained to handle classes in the high-tech style. In addition, this project will emphasize on extracurricular activities for the purpose of developing intellectual, creative and communicative skills of students."

AND read this Saudi Arabia Reaches Out to Foreign Colleges at Conference - Global - The Chronicle of Higher Education

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yes this video is correct. I use this video to generate awareness in my community myself.

My friend this is too little, too late. SR 9 Billion over 6 years only? Have you any idea how much the US/Japan/China/Israel etc. invest in R&D alone? Do you know how many Ph.D's Israel produces every year? Are you aware of the innovations and inventions that emerge from that tiny little country? The whole of Muslim world cannot match Israel alone, in R&D.

I have lived in the middle east for a few years, I know how educated arabs are.....we are speaking of the recent past and present and not about years or decades in to the future.

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I would love to know that are there any Muslim scholars believe that religion should have changed as per the modern times and new science developments. Or people should just stick to their holy book which was written ago thousand years ago ?(whether he is sikh,muslim or hindu) ust curious.

You wrote about the Holy Book but have you any idea? The Holy book is divine knowledge and instructions....they were not written by man! The divine instructions and knowledge do not change over time. But matters of everyday living are changed with times as decided by Ulema (learned religious scholars).

 

[Mosamania]

My friend this is too little, too late. SR 9 Billion over 6 years only? Have you any idea how much the US/Japan/China/Israel etc. invest in R&D alone? Do you know how many Ph.D's Israel produces every year? Are you aware of the innovations and inventions that emerge from that tiny little country? The whole of Muslim world cannot match Israel alone, in R&D.

I have lived in the middle east for a few years, I know how educated arabs are.....we are speaking of the recent past and present and not about years or decades in to the future.

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You wrote about the Holy Book but have you any idea? The Holy book is divine knowledge and instructions....they were not written by man! The divine instructions and knowledge do not change over time. But matters of everyday living are changed with times as decided by Ulema (learned religious scholars).

Actually the amount of money put into Education is KSA is close to 130 Billion Dollars. Or from other sources Almost one third of our GDP goes into Education.

 

[Developereo]

haha... dear we are not all saffron wearing Islam haters that would like to jump to beat on religion...

As you pointed out, the failure here is of the civilian government and civil institutions.

Does the mullah come to your door and forbid you to go to school? (ok, maybe for girls, but not for boys).
Does the mullah stop you from doing scientific research in your university?
Is the mullah responsible for the poor quality of schools and teachers?

It's easy to absolve oneself of responsibility and blame mullahs for everything.

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

 

[nomi007]

what is the point of view of zahid hamid in this regard

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actually funds are most important point in the field of science & technology.
Muslim countries especially oil rich countries are investing in housing and buildings like w-a-e and Saudi

 

[Mosamania]

what is the point of view of zahid hamid in this regard

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actually funds are most important point in the field of science & technology.
Muslim countries especially oil rich countries are investing in housing and buildings like w-a-e and Saudi

You do realize there is a housing crisis in Saudi Arabia don't you??

 

[Zabaniyah]

There are Muslims who won Nobel Prizes. Here's a list:
Abdus Salam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (first Muslim and first Pakistani who won a Nobel Prize)
The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 1999
Naguib Mahfouz - Biography
Orhan Pamuk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Muhammad Yunus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Shirin Ebadi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although, I agree with Muse's sentiments.

Here's more on the issue:
Muslim Nobel Prize Winners « BZNotes!