No need for elections if PM can’t even suspend an IGP:

[FalconStar]

FBI is one of the best police and crime investigation department in the world. They are also one of the most independent organisations. Yet American President can fire the FBI head with a single stroke of pen.

Independent institution doesn't mean the head of that department shouldn't cooperate with the government.
Independence is when Government doesn't interfere or try to influence a criminal investigation.

 

[Verve]

Due process for transfer, as per law, should have been followed.

Communication protocol should be followed first and failure of the official to respond in a timely manner repeatedly is a perfectly fine basis for suspension and or transfer.

 

[PakSword]

Suo motu, meaning "on its own motion," is a Latin legal term, approximately equivalent to the term sua sponte. For example, it is used where a government agency acts on its own cognizance, as in "the Commission took suo motu control over the matter."
ICE has nothing to do with getting high,it's rather a stimulant.
Rana Sanullah,Shabaz,Nawaz and then I.G Punjab are free.

Government takes action through police.. if IG starts to ignore government's legit demands, then interior minister has every right to suspend/ transfer the IG..

Secondly, transferring an IG doesn't even require a reason.. interior minister can anytime transfer IG to anywhere (except, of course.. outside of Pakistan).

Police is not a constitutional institution, and the chief of police is required to obey orders of interior ministry, just like any other non-constitutional institution is required to obey orders of relevant ministries.

Imagine, railway minister asks the railway department to start a new route but the department doesn't respond to him.. minister has every right to suspend/ transfer the chief of railways..

Communication protocol should be followed first and failure of the official to respond in a timely manner repeatedly is a perfectly fine basis for suspension and or transfer.

Exactly! but telling something logical to nooni toons is like banging your head on the wall.. just like this:

 

[Jinn Baba]

SC was a holy pillar of the state for dumb noonies when they went after PPP, but became an establishment tool when they went after corrupt patwaris.

SC was irrelevant for noonies when they went after supreme leader, but then became the most important institution in Pakistan after they questioned Imran Khans role in suspending IGP.

I see a pattern here

I see it too!!! PTI is the new PMLN! And PTIs pujaris are the new Patwaris

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

 

[ghazi52]

American President can fire any departmental head with a single stroke of pen without reason .

 

[PakSword]

Yet American President can fire the FBI head with a single stroke of pen.

And he

American President can fire any departmental head with a single stroke of pen without reason .

It happens in almost every country.. but there are constitutional departments, which can't be touched by a PM/ head of state.. they include judiciary, accountability, election commission etc..

But FBR, Customs, Police etc etc.. can be controlled by PM without giving any explanation..

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

American President can fire any departmental head with a single stroke of pen without reason .

Comparing apple with orange don't make any sense. Pakistan PM should follow direction and procedures set in Pakistani constitution and PM is not above law to transfer IG over phone call and he did wrong because of which judiciary interfered and Judiciary is also more powerful in western countries where they can challenge unlawful decision of presidents and prime ministers

 

[PakSword]

Comparing apple with orange don't make any sense. Pakistan PM should follow direction and procedures set in Pakistani constitution and PM is not above law to transfer IG over phone call and he did wrong because of which judiciary interfered and Judiciary is also more powerful in western countries where they can challenge unlawful decision of presidents and prime ministers

So you will be happy if CJ asks PM to follow the rules and PM then signs the summary (which has already been signed by the way)?

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[Proudpakistaniguy]

So you will be happy if CJ asks PM to follow the rules and PM then signs the summary (which has already been signed by the way)?

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Watch previous video ..lets forget about reasons of transfer but
You tell me what is legal procedures of transferring IG or taking any disciplinary action against him if government assume that he is not doing his job properly ? PM has no right to make phone call to pass verbal orders to transfer IG Islamabad....Hero of KPK police nasir durrani resigned for a reason i.e political interference. The Chief Justice did not run an election campaign on non-interference in police matters. PTI did, but has now been involved in DPO Pakpattan, IG Punjab and IG Islamabad's transfer.

 

[ghazi52]

And he

It happens in almost every country.. but there are constitutional departments, which can't be touched by a PM/ head of state.. they include judiciary, accountability, election commission etc..

But FBR, Customs, Police etc etc.. can be controlled by PM without giving any explanation..

True.

 

[PakSword]

PM has no right to make phone call to pass verbal orders to transfer IG Islamabad....

This is a problem.. but an interior minister can sign on the summary of transfer of an IG anytime, without even specifying a reason.

For suspension, there are certain rules.. but even then it is his authority given by the constitution..

For constitutional institutions, PM can't do jack even if he wants to.. their cases go to Supreme Judicial Council..

PM has no right to make phone call to pass verbal orders

This verbal order thing is the one I agree with you is problematic..

That's why I asked.. if CJ asks PM to do it properly, and IK signs the summary then it will be ok for judiciary..

Hero of KPK police nasir durrani resigned for a reason i.e political interference. The Chief Justice did not run an election campaign on non-interference in police matters. PTI did, but has now been involved in DPO Pakpattan, IG Punjab and IG Islamabad's transfer.

I agree with you here..

BUT..

the institutions need to be cleaned first from the previous government's political postings.. i know so many bureaucrats who still report to Shahbaz.. (i mean they were acting on his demands till he got arrested).

For such institutions, a clean up operation in required.. once the rules are set, political interference will be minimal..

Right now, IK can't himself say that he has made the institutions non political..

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

I don’t think the incident involving Azam Swati and transfer of IG Police of Islamabad surprises anyone. This incident yet again points at the inability of Imran Khan to deliver on promises and walk the talk.

I usually ignore what Azam Swati does as almost all his statements contain tons of false information. But this recent incident was not possible to ignore as PM office itself was involved in it.


I agree with Mr Swati that the state should guarantee the preservation and protection of his rights as a citizen. But In most normal states when an injustice is done to a citizen, they first go to the police station and lodge a report to follow the due process. They don’t go around calling IG Police, chief secretary ministry of interior, and Prime Minister while never once visiting the police station for a report. After hearing his interview on some tv talk shows it seems that the whole state machinery was busy satisfying the grievances of one elite of the country whose lawn was damaged by a wandering cow.

He could only be satisfied when PM acted to transfer the top officer of the police force. It does not matter that in the process the police dutifully violated rights of over a dozen other citizens and denied them due process. Where should these people go to get justice for their grievances?

I am sure they feel lucky that we have a Supreme Court that refuses to let such gross violation by elites pass their attention unnoticed. Although that is never the solution in itself and can cause social damage if exercised for the long term.

Imran Khan does not have what it takes to transform the nation. He is a smooth talker for sure but that is all. This point will be clear to everyone as we tolerate this incapable and inept government for the next five years.

Now please don’t think in zero-sum and blame me for supporting the corruption or failure of others just because I am criticizing the self-righteous great Khan. What we have today is the collective failure of the whole society.

We can only solve this through collective efforts rather than pinning our hope on a self-righteous messiah.

https://www.thenewstribe.com/2018/10/30/transfer-of-ig-police-islamabad/

This is a problem.. but an interior minister can sign on the summary of transfer of an IG anytime, without even specifying a reason.

For suspension, there are certain rules.. but even then it is his authority given by the constitution..

For constitutional institutions, PM can't do jack even if he wants to.. their cases go to Supreme Judicial Council..


This verbal order thing is the one I agree with you is problematic..

That's why I asked.. if CJ asks PM to do it properly, and IK signs the summary then it will be ok for judiciary..


I agree with you here..

BUT..

the institutions need to be cleaned first from the previous government's political postings.. i know so many bureaucrats who still report to Shahbaz.. (i mean they were acting on his demands till he got arrested).

For such institutions, a clean up operation in required.. once the rules are set, political interference will be minimal..

Right now, IK can't himself say that he has made the institutions non political..

Actually few mistakes

1)Verbal orders is no order as per law
2)PM did not need to involve in this petty issues and should not issue verbal orders of transfer prior to any investigation.There was no showcause notice
3)If IG was incompetent or did unlawful things then transferring is not solution because he will do the same in area where he was getting transferred
4) PM should not pick side of his minister aka Azam swati and should also listen to story of opposite side who are poor fellows

 

[Yaseen1]

The P.m also has power to remove army chief but we know what happens if p.m remove him before completion of tenure.The same should apply for police if we want police independent and strong like army

 

[BATMAN]

For the ignorants, answer to the OP is big NO.
Now since the matter is in courts... regime should refrain for floating rouge opinions.
However in any case PM is answerable for patronizing the torture on kid and arresting his parents for just getting whipped by youthias.