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March 2, 2010: In late 2008, Russia offered to sell Lebanon ten MiG-29 fighters, at a "large discount" (less than $5 million each). Lebanon has since persuaded Russia to provide ten Mi-24 helicopter gunships instead, along with modern missiles to arm them. This makes much more sense for Lebanon.
The original MiG-29 offer was not as big a favor to the Lebanese as it might appear. Two months before that generous offer, all Russian MiG-29s were grounded until it could be determined if some recent crashes, and other problems, were the result of some fundamental design flaw. There had been several problems with MiG-29s earlier, although all aircraft were eventually returned to flight status. This has not helped sales, as most export customers prefer the larger Su-27 (and its derivatives like the Su-30).

The MiG-29 entered Russian service in 1983, as the answer to the American F-16. Some 1,600 MiG-29s have been produced so far, with most (about 900) exported. The biggest customer, India, received its first MiG-29s in 1986, with deliveries continuing into the 1990s.

The 22 ton aircraft is, indeed, roughly comparable to the F-16, but it depends a lot on which version of either aircraft you are talking about. Then there are the reliability problems. Compared to Western aircraft, like the F-16, the MiG-29 is available for action about two thirds as often. The Lebanese knew all this, but their air force has no jet fighters at all, so ten MiG-29s was, initially, seen as a major improvement. But then someone pointed out that MiG-29s, operated by poorly trained Lebanese pilots, would not last long against the Israelis. Moreover, the other enemy, Syria, has many more aircraft, including MiG-29s flown by experienced pilots. But Mi-24 helicopters are a different matter. These have a better chance of avoiding Israeli air power, and are also more useful against domestic enemies, like the Hezbollah militia, which has been trying to take over the government and establish a religious dictatorship.

The Mi-24 is a twelve ton chopper based on the Mi-8/17 transport. The U.S. did the same thing with the AH-1, developing it from the UH-1 "Huey." But rather than adopt the two seater (one pilot behind the other), and no passengers, approach of the AH-1 and AH-64 Apache, the Mi-24 could still carry troops or cargo in the back, and was not as nimble as the AH-1. But it still got the job done when equipped with autocannon, rockets and missiles.
 
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Very true. If their pilots are not trained enough to handle modern fighters, Mig-29 will be of no use. Because it will take several years to train pilots and make other arrangement. I dont know why Pilot skill is such a problem even for the richest gulf nations who can build up facilities and hire trainers from anywhere they wish. So no wonder they often seek help from Pakistan to fly their planes.
 
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This is surprising news. I didn't know that Lebanese would not be interested in obtaining fighter jets. After all, the modern MiG-29s are quite advanced and are much better than previous models and owing to Lebanon's not-so-pleasant history of conflicts, I think Lebanese government should consider getting at least a small modern air force to defend their country.

From what I know about Middle East, Lebanon is not a member of any military alliance treaty apart from the Gulf Cooperation Council countries that have (don't remember the name) an agreement to cooperate incase of hostilities with any member state.

This makes it all the more prudent for Beirut to acquire at least a basic level or aerial combat capability to deter its adversaries.
 
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wellll mig 29 are nothing but crap and junk but new indian naval MIG 29 are different and sexy toooo
 
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old air frames...new avionics..even the naval versions plain upgrades old air frames..

here read it right from an indian site i was shocked they wrongly wrote this
The modernization is aimed at extending their service lives by several decades,
lol several decades like wtf 30 years more? damn!
 
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old air frames...new avionics..even the naval versions plain upgrades old air frames..

here read it right from an indian site i was shocked they wrongly wrote this
The modernization is aimed at extending their service lives by several decades,
lol several decades like wtf 30 years more? damn!

IN MiG-29Ks are new airframes. Check it out. Even the Russians are replacing their carrier borne Su-33's with the MiG-29Ks.
 
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From what I know about Middle East, Lebanon is not a member of any military alliance treaty apart from the Gulf Cooperation Council countries that have (don't remember the name) an agreement to cooperate incase of hostilities with any member state.

They have Hezbollah and that is all that they need.

This makes sense, it would have been very expensive to maintain and would not be beneficial, SAM's would be better in the AD role and helicopters would be better in the CAS role.
 
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yes i heard that russian airs they offered and talked with xyz to selling this and that in the end outcomes are--------------blank..to make over all army and ground forces more efficient is much more better in case of Lebanon..
 
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i think they should get few atleast, because in some areas even gunships doesn't work....(mainly due to anti aircraft fire or RPGs, which are very common among militants)
..the only problem they might face with this bird is maintenance....costly maintenance...
 
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Well i thing F 16 is better then mig 29 only speed is the defference between them......
 
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If the lebanease are smart they will buy Western equipment.

Gripen or F16/52

Russian good but service issues

China cheap but no combat proven. Against Israel this wud be a nitemare
 
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If the lebanease are smart they will buy Western equipment.

Gripen or F16/52

Russian good but service issues

China cheap but no combat proven. Against Israel this wud be a nitemare
As much as I would like to agree with you my English freund, money factor is a problem for Lebanon it seems, as you would be familiar with budget cuts in your own country.

Lebanon is not known for its cordial ties with United States and hence it is quite unlikely that they would choose an American system.
 
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