No Kargil-like situation in J&K's Keran sector,Indian Army chief says

[GR!FF!N]

Media is saying Pakistan army did another Kargil whereas Indian Army deny anything like that.

you misread..IA said that they've no proof until now to say that those are Pakistani Army jawans or BAT or Special force or Other regulars/irregulars or specially trained terrorists.lets us kill them all,then we'll substantiate their id and then we'll say.Media raised suspicion as never after Kargil,this kind of situation has been created.IA chief's comment----


"From the operation that is going on till now and the strength (of infiltrators) and the multiple points they attempted (to infiltrate), give the indication that definitely there were some special troops. This is quite different from the trend we have seen in the earlier infiltration attempts," he said.

He said even on Tuesday there was an attempt by a group of militants to infiltrate the cordoned area. “There was a firing incident today also in the area. The operation is being carried out in calibrated manner to avoid own causalities.”

Although the army commander maintained it will be premature to say whether the Pakistan army was involved in the infiltration of militants, he said there were definite indications that some special troops were part of it.

"I can only say, analysing the methodology of this infiltration, it was not a pure infiltration (attempt). It was a BAT-cum-infiltration (bid). The number of militants who attempted this infiltration was rather large. In fact, on Tuesday night 10 to 12 militants tried to sneak into the cordoned off area from across," he said.

On September 26, Lt Gen Singh had told reporters that 10-12 bodies of militants killed in the operation had been noticed by the troops on the ground.

Asked if any of the bodies had been retrieved so far, he said, "The dead bodies are not important to me. What is important is that the operation is carried out in the way it has been planned."

He said the full details of the operation will be shared only after the army has ensured that all the infiltrators have been neutralised. However, he did not set a time-frame for conclusion of the operation.


Keran: 5 troops injured as anti-infiltration op reaches 9th day - Rediff.com India News


I've highlighted the important areas....hope that can make you understand the situation...

 

[Spring Onion]

you misread..IA said that they've no proof until now to say that those are Pakistani Army jawans or BAT or Special force or Other regulars/irregulars or specially trained terrorists.lets us kill them all,then we'll substantiate their id and then we'll say.Media raised suspicion as never after Kargil,this kind of situation has been created.IA chief's comment----


"From the operation that is going on till now and the strength (of infiltrators) and the multiple points they attempted (to infiltrate), give the indication that definitely there were some special troops. This is quite different from the trend we have seen in the earlier infiltration attempts," he said.

He said even on Tuesday there was an attempt by a group of militants to infiltrate the cordoned area. “There was a firing incident today also in the area. The operation is being carried out in calibrated manner to avoid own causalities.”

Although the army commander maintained it will be premature to say whether the Pakistan army was involved in the infiltration of militants, he said there were definite indications that some special troops were part of it.

"I can only say, analysing the methodology of this infiltration, it was not a pure infiltration (attempt). It was a BAT-cum-infiltration (bid). The number of militants who attempted this infiltration was rather large. In fact, on Tuesday night 10 to 12 militants tried to sneak into the cordoned off area from across," he said.

On September 26, Lt Gen Singh had told reporters that 10-12 bodies of militants killed in the operation had been noticed by the troops on the ground.

Asked if any of the bodies had been retrieved so far, he said, "The dead bodies are not important to me. What is important is that the operation is carried out in the way it has been planned."

He said the full details of the operation will be shared only after the army has ensured that all the infiltrators have been neutralised. However, he did not set a time-frame for conclusion of the operation.


Keran: 5 troops injured as anti-infiltration op reaches 9th day - Rediff.com India News


I've highlighted the important areas....hope that can make you understand the situation...

Speculative statement by him.

And he also avoided replying how many dead bodies they have to prove their claim to which Your Army chief said dead bodies are NOT important to us.

This shows he has no backing for his claim because if according to Indian Army claim, if and if there were infiltrators on India side then bodies must have been on that side.

 

[Ayush]

madam ji

 

[GR!FF!N]

Speculative statement by him.

And he also avoided replying how many dead bodies they have to prove their claim to which Your Army chief said dead bodies are NOT important to us.

This shows he has no backing for his claim because if according to Indian Army claim, if and if there were infiltrators on India side then bodies must have been on that side.

again you are misleading your thoughts...IA didn't count the dead bodies..until we recover the dead bodies,there is no one killed,cause every single dead body is accountable.our system will rip you apart if you miscalculate the sum.when they recover the body,they examine it,substantiate the id and bury them.there is no way you can say that we though there was 12 but only found 10 altogether..let the operation finish,we'll provide all the information needed.but one thing is for sure,never terrorists send reinforcements to encircled terrorists,nor they try to breach cordoned parameter to enter.

 

[Sugarcane]

Indians are liars & drama queens - no difference between their Generals, Reporters & actors

 

[forcetrip]

LOL.... Nope....Curtain raiser of what modi would be facing after 2014.... If he is elected he is gonna have one of the toughest time for a prime minister.... Kashmir wont be same post USA withdrawal......

Some parts of what you are saying will be correct, but I do not think US withdrawal will have a huge response in how some areas in south east asia will shape post 2014. It all depends how long it takes the afghan taliban to retake majority of their hold. If the task is difficult most of their resources will be used within their territory. I am guessing there work will be cut out for them with US Intel being streamed to their funded government.

 

[Sugarcane]

Speculative statement by him.

And he also avoided replying how many dead bodies they have to prove their claim to which Your Army chief said dead bodies are NOT important to us.

This shows he has no backing for his claim because if according to Indian Army claim, if and if there were infiltrators on India side then bodies must have been on that side.

I agree with chief here arranging dead bodies in IOK is not a big deal for IA, so it's not important thing.

 

[Spring Onion]

again you are misleading your thoughts...IA didn't count the dead bodies..until we recover the dead bodies,there is no one killed,cause every single dead body is accountable.our system will rip you apart if you miscalculate the sum.when they recover the body,they examine it,substantiate the id and bury them.there is no way you can say that we though there was 12 but only found 10 altogether..let the operation finish,we'll provide all the information needed.but one thing is for sure,never terrorists send reinforcements to encircled terrorists,nor they try to breach cordoned parameter to enter.

not about counting even.

NVM.

 

[GR!FF!N]

not about counting even.

NVM.

might be for you..but after the operation will be ended,I'll sure mention you to read the number.. In the mean time...

LoC gunbattle enters 10th day; militants restricted to small area - Hindustan Times

 

[karan.1970]

Indians are liars & drama queens - no difference between their Generals, Reporters & actors

Its as much of a generalization as saying Pakistanis are religious extremists and terrorists- no difference between their state and non state actors.

 

[Bang Galore]

Pakistan’s Shala Bhata incursion: Three lessons for India

Praveen Swami



Fourteen years have passed, almost to the month, since Union defence minister George Fernandes promised Pakistani infiltrators in Kargil would be “flushed out in forty-eight hours”. He said, one day later, that the army “had cordoned off the area entirely” and that Indian objectives would be realised “within the next two days”. It took two months and nine days-and the lives of hundreds of India’s finest men–before the war was won. The whole sordid story of how high officials sent officers and men to their deaths in an effort to hide their incompetence has since become known.

Kargil, not surprisingly, hangs like a ghost over Pakistan’s Shala Bhata incursion.


In New Delhi, officials insist that the intrusion into Shala Bhata, near Keran in Kashmir’s Kupwara district, is no Kargil. They’re right: that time, the intrusions ranged across hundreds of kilometres, and involved division-sized forces.

Three lessons are key–and, unless politicians come clean with the country on just what is going on and what they mean to do about it, the risks of further crisis ahead are very real.

First, this isn’t a infiltration, this is a full-blown incursion: The army has publicly cast this as just a larger version of the kind of jihadist infiltration which takes place all the time along the Line of Control. However, there’s plenty of reason to believe that isn’t the case. From yesterday’s press conference by Lieutenant-General Gurmit Singh, the XV corps commander, we know that the intruders have been firing on Indian troops for ten days, after what was seen as an infiltration was first blocked. Had infiltration into Jammu and Kashmir been the objective, the intruders would have tried to pull back at that point. Instead, more kept coming–including people Lieutenant-General Singh has said he thinks are Pakistani special forces personnel. This is an intrusion intended to send a message–not just another infiltration attempt.

Its worth noting, parenthetically, that this kind of thing has happened before. In 1989, for example, Pakistan seized control of the Dalunang heights in Kargil’s Kaksar sector. Colonel Anil Shorey has told the story of India’s ill-fated attempts to retake the heights, a conflict the media did not discover for years afterwards. It was only in 1999 that Dalunang was retaken.

Second, there’s plenty of method in the Pakistan Army’s madness: The Shala Bhata incursion needs to be read in its context. Ever since 2008, when Ashfaq Parvez Kayani took over as Pakistan’s army chief, there has been a a steady escalation steadily escalation of hostilities on the Line of Control. Things reached new heights in recent months, with a series of incidents like the macabre beheading of two Indian soldiers, and the subsequent execution-style killings of five more. There’s good reason to believe, though, that the Indian Army’s been dishing out as good as its got: in recent weeks, army sources say, at least two Pakistani posts in the Mendhar sector have been obliterated in Indian offensive action, and another three rendered in-operational by sustained fire. The Shala Bhata incursion may be intended to signal the Pakistan army is willing to up the stakes–and to test just how far a war-averse Indian security establishment is willing to go to assert dominance on the Line of Control.

Third, this operation may not drag out much longer–but there’s a high probability of more trouble ahead. Army sources are telling Firstpost there’s some signs the intruders have pulled back–possibly in response to the realisation among Pakistan’s generals that the media outcry will force harsher action. The Indian Army, though, still hasn’t recovered the bodies of intruders it says its killed. This gives us some idea about the slow progress of Indian army operations. Lieutenant-General Singh announced the killings of the intruders several days ago. That the bodies haven’t been recovered could mean one of two things: either Indian troops have been unable into the areas where the intruders’ bodies are, or the intruders have a logistical line open into Pakistani-occupied Kashmir and have evacuated the corpses. Either way, this operation hasn’t exactly covered itself in glory. The lack of a firm retaliatory response is likely to embolden Pakistani strategists–and that’s very bad news for India.

Pakistan's Shala Bhata incursion: Three lessons for India | Firstpost

 

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No Kargil-like situation in J&K's Keran sector, Army chief says


NEW DELHI: There is no Kargil-like situation in Keran sector, Army chief General Bikram Singh said on Friday. He added that the terrorists are holed up in Keran area and they would be flushed out. He denied reports of any village being occupied by the terrorists.
On Friday morning, two terrorists were killed by the Indian Army in Kupwara district, where the Army foiled an infiltration bid.

Two intruding terrorists were killed in the Keran sector at the Line of Control (LoC), when alert troops of the Army spotted a group of infiltrating guerrillas and challenged them, a defence spokesman said.

The Army's operation against the 30-40 infiltrators in Keran sector entered the 11th day on Friday.

The Army has claimed to kill 15 of these surrounded militants but so far no bodies have been recovered.

Defence sources said that for the last 24 hours, the probing fire by the Army has not been returned by the militants in the area where the Army is proceeding very cautiously to clear the cordoned area.
No Kargil-like situation in J&K's Keran sector, Army chief says - The Times of India

So what bharotis are up to??


Lies and more lies bouncing back at their on face.

Dude pls change your flag to BD!!False flagging has been banned as AFAIK!!!

 

[Sugarcane]

Its as much of a generalization as saying Pakistanis are religious extremists and terrorists- no difference between their state and non state actors.

You guys already do this - nothing new

 

[hindutva_in_motion]

I think we need to increase troop presence in kashmir, because once usa leaves in 2014, pakistan will focus all its jihad, non-state-partially state, and full state actors in kashmir. We need to start getting ready and build up for the inevitable now...

 

[chhota bheem]

bwahahahahhahahah we dint deny

as far tit for tat well both are sounding vulgar @friendly_troll96

We dint deny would be an understatement.it should be you were forced to agree.