No J-10B for PAF | A.C Khalid, calls for a focus on 5th generation platform instead.

[M Babarkhan afridi]

 

[zaid butt]

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block 2 is better
looks great

 

[The SC]

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It is photoshoped but I'd like to see it like that with an AESA radar.
It looks quite realistic andpowerful ... I have posted the Picture in many different threads before. I like the look of it.

 

[Viking 63]

Block-2 looks good but I would still go for 3-4 Squardons of J-10B.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

Block-2 looks good but I would still go for 3-4 Squardons of J-10B.

FC 20 deal is now pretty dead

 

[Super Falcon]

Than mr khalid why u bought f 16 from jordan yes we need new tech but dont forget we dont need single engine jet which we have we need twin engine jet worlds 80 percent fighter jets are twin engine move forward paf

 

[salman-1]

FC-20 is still on cards with PAF , as no easy deals for F-16 is available. Now as Russian's have agreed to sell RD-93. Mi-35 directly to Pakistan. There might also be window for AL31F engines for FC-20's. In one News PAF has again given hint of reconsidering J-10 is due to this fact. In Past many of our Air force personnel have told media to induct J-10 in 2014-15 was due to the fact, they hoped china would ready WS-10 by that time. As Russian had not cleared re export of their AL-31F for Pakistan. Now as India buying Rafael for their AF Russian's have on many occasions replied for exporting hardware to Pakistan. Its now official from them.

PAF must fill gap with india having at least 54+4 dual seater as planned before.

 

[zaid butt]

FC-20 is still on cards with PAF , as no easy deals for F-16 is available. Now as Russian's have agreed to sell RD-93. Mi-35 directly to Pakistan. There might also be window for AL31F engines for FC-20's. In one News PAF has again given hint of reconsidering J-10 is due to this fact. In Past many of our Air force personnel have told media to induct J-10 in 2014-15 was due to the fact, they hoped china would ready WS-10 by that time. As Russian had not cleared re export of their AL-31F for Pakistan. Now as India buying Rafael for their AF Russian's have on many occasions replied for exporting hardware to Pakistan. Its now official from them.

PAF must fill gap with india having at least 54+4 dual seater as planned before.

i also believe that pakistan is getting these jets in 2015

 

[gangsta_rap]

I bet we could have had both if it weren't for zardari & friends

 

[salman-1]

J-31 is an immature plat form and their also might be no production facility ready for its serial production.

PAF has developed a habit of waiting long time to decide like india. PAF must go for FC-20 as indian's recent procurement of MIG 29k has further strengthened its air power even on sea side with k's.

FC-20 is of the same category of 4th generation. We can't put F-16's on every air combat mission against their wide variety of 4 gen. F-7-P/PG cant outgun every intercept mission. Losses would be more on our side then. 3 squadron's of FC-20 along with 76 F-16 will be a potent threat for IAF. Later increase in F-16 numbers will be a force multipliers

And if the F-16's spares were a problem during any conflict like always, what would be shape of Air force with minimum sorties of our front line fighters? Must have FC-20's even having same generation level of technology

 

[AFlover]

J-31 is an immature plat form and their also might be no production facility ready for its serial production.

PAF has developed a habit of waiting long time to decide like india. PAF must go for FC-20 as indian's recent procurement of MIG 29k has further strengthened its air power even on sea side with k's.

FC-20 is of the same category of 4th generation. We can't put F-16's on every air combat mission against their wide variety of 4 gen. F-7-P/PG cant outgun every intercept mission. Losses would be more on our side then. 3 squadron's of FC-20 along with 76 F-16 will be a potent threat for IAF. Later increase in F-16 numbers will be a force multipliers

And if the F-16's spares were a problem during any conflict like always, what would be shape of Air force with minimum sorties of our front line fighters? Must have FC-20's even having same generation level of technology

I agree that in a war situation us will twist our arm with f16 spare policy. PAF must have different frams. JF17 may not be enough, a twin engine fighter is ideally better like J16, if not then J10s are oks due to rafale deal

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

If that deal was not scrapped we would be celebrating 36 SPARKING J10B in our Airforce now and the theads would have been joyful on the ocassion but now due to the A.C Khalid guy we are stuck in waiting game still flying 80 Mirages


36 J10B incoming jets

Retiring 40 Mirages

A very simple logic however great level of shortsightedness on part of A.C Khalid

 

[Viper0011.]

I agree that in a war situation us will twist our arm with f16 spare policy. PAF must have different frams. JF17 may not be enough, a twin engine fighter is ideally better like J16, if not then J10s are oks due to rafale deal

Don't worry, you guys are about to get SU-35 or Mig-35's at the least with Russian BVR's. SAMS and MI helicopters have already been discussed and approved.
I don't think SU-30 will be chosen just because India has it. Expect three to four squadrons over the next 2-3 years. This with JFT block II and -16's Block 52 / MLU should give you a very fine defensive edge. Rafale factor nulls out.

J-10B is out. The PAF will go for JFT Block III (stealthy features) and a few squadrons of J-31. The number may increase but this will how the PAF will look like till 2030 IMO.

 

[salman-1]

Mig-35 and Su-35 are not suited to our Air force as Mig-35 is an upgraded last version of Mikoyan Family. PAF wont go for it as future developments would be only on request or specialized for any customer and not by further R&D by company. In competetion for the Egyptian Air force sale JF-17 was put against Mig-29 and later on Russian agitation it was decided to with draw as both have same engine family and we are dependent on the engines from russia not them.
Su-35 is also not liked as its too bulkier and even not in numbers by the Russian Air force and very expensive to operate.

What Rana Tanveer sahab missed to say was fighter jet engines and not just fighter jets

 

[black-hawk_101]

That's a good idea to concentrate more on 5th Generation.