No, Iran Didn’t Just Ban Women From Universities.

[jinxeD_girl]

vs-doc and angeldust's hearts are in a good place, that's all that matters. And trust me, their views are shared by many youngsters in Iran

vs_doc and angeldust bash Iran again n again.. so r u saying that youngsters of Iran hate Iran? No wonder, Iran is where it is right now

 

[Abii]

To be fair, I do think I owe Abii and Shahin and the other Iranians here an appology.

You guys are very very diferent from the crowd on Iran Defence.

So what you say is true.

There really is an internal schism amongst your people.

Most of that lot are hardcore mullas raving and ranting about the glory of Islamic Iran.



BULLSHIT sister.

4732 in the whole of Pakistan.

There are 4-5 times more in LA alone.

Then comes Melbourne.

You lost your Parsis.

Not dificult to understand why either.

dude 90 percent of the ppl on that site are arabs, bosnians, croatians, Pakistanis and Indians lol
or at least that was the case last time I was there (more than a year ago).
If we're talking about the same site than the admin on that site is an exiled Iranian (one of those that can't ever go back) who is also EXTREMELY anti-jewish. The whole site is weird.

There is also another site that's 100 percent reserved for pro regime people. The admins are actual basij and govt people. If you see the ".IR" at the end then that means the website has been approved by the govt and is fully in line with the regime's views and guidlines.

Edit: this one's also a govt website and admins are also basij members
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they frequently post pics of themselves in annual parades and military conventions

vs_doc and angeldust bash Iran again n again.. so r u saying that youngsters of Iran hate Iran? No wonder, Iran is where it is right now

where are we now?

And I'm talking about their views on arabs and islam.

 

[vsdoc]

well , before Great prophet come , almost all of his clansman were pagans , right !? so if we call them pagan in that time , that won't change anything , or harm them !? right !?

well , for me , history is good , to read it , to know what is our grandfathers did , to know we have civilization and we are the one of the main player in world history , to be happy when I reading the success and become sad when I reading the losses , to learn from it ..... even God saying that people should go and reading history and learn the past people story , thinking about it and learn from it ....

I reading history book as much as I reading religious book , this is one of my favorite things in life .... but , as much as I reading it , I realized we should try to make a new golden era by ourselves for Iran ...

The Iran history shows me that We could keep culture against Hellenism , Arab , and Mongols so why we bow our head against western culture and become a useless follower of western ideology !?

now we have a good and almost unique ideology and we are going to make an new era , that why western all so feared about IRI , they fear a new big player who have a unique ideology ...
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but some western follower want we only talk about ancient era , and bowing our head for western ideologies at the same time !!!! they talking about ancient ear but in the same time they trying make Iranian some western puppet who has only some empety words about thousands years ago !!! IMO they want doing what Hellenism , Arabs , Mongle couldn't to do on IRan , Change peoples !!!

ancient Iranian could give us any glory !?
or defend us from other countries , or give us any technologies !?

This Iran isn't that was in 2400 years ago ; this Iran has new races , this Iran has new capacities , new needs , and new enemies ...

Good measured post giving the perspective of the other side.

The more I think about it Abii, the more I am convinced that this side will NOT allow Zoroastrianism back on to the land and amongst the people.

See how your Zoroastrians live man.

Here in India we are one of the richest and most respected communities. People look at us and assume some givens like integrity, honesty, intelligence, hard work, etc.

Then we go to Iran as part of guided tours and see fellow Zoroastrians living in ghettos like the impoverished Muslims in India or African Americans in the US.

And it somehow really jarrs .....

 

[Abii]

Good measured post giving the perspective of the other side.

The more I think about it Abii, the more I am convinced that this side will NOT allow Zoroastrianism back on to the land and amongst the people.

See how your Zoroastrians live man.

Here in India we are one of the richest and most respected communities. People look at us and assue some givens like integrity, honesty, intelligence, hard work, etc.

Then we go to Iran as part of guided tours and see fellow Zoroastrians living in ghettos like the impoverished Muslims in india or African Americans in the US.

And it somehow really jarrs .....

that's what I mean when I say 1400 happened and that's that. In a federal and democratic Iran though, youngsters can def'n be advertised to. Even getting 5mln converts in half a century is enough IMO to change the future forever. The things is, there are a lot of statistical muslims, but imagine a free Iran with a prosperous Zoroastrian community of 4-5 mln strong (this could be 80 years in the future and in Iran with a pop'n of 120 mln). In such a scenario, of course the statistical muslim will convert if the society is also free. The best thing is to build a solid base once to opportunity comes. Even a million converts in 3 decades is enough.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

well , before Great prophet come , almost all of his clansman were pagans , right !? so if we call them pagan in that time , that won't change anything , or harm them !? right !?

well , for me , history is good , to read it , to know what is our grandfathers did , to know we have civilization and we are the one of the main player in world history , to be happy when I reading the success and become sad when I reading the losses , to learn from it ..... even God saying that people should go and reading history and learn the past people story , thinking about it and learn from it ....

I reading history book as much as I reading religious book , this is one of my favorite things in life .... but , as much as I reading it , I realized we should try to make a new golden era by ourselves for Iran ...

The Iran history shows me that We could keep culture against Hellenism , Arab , and Mongols so why we bow our head against western culture and become a useless follower of western ideology !?

now we have a good and almost unique ideology and we are going to make an new era , that why western all so feared about IRI , they fear a new big player who have a unique ideology ...
................

but some western follower want we only talk about ancient era , and bowing our head for western ideologies at the same time !!!! they talking about ancient ear but in the same time they trying make Iranian some western puppet who has only some empety words about thousands years ago !!! IMO they want doing what Hellenism , Arabs , Mongle couldn't to do on IRan , Change peoples !!!

ancient Iranian could give us any glory !?
or defend us from other countries , or give us any technologies !?

This Iran isn't that was in 2400 years ago ; this Iran has new races , this Iran has new capacities , new needs , and new enemies ...

Yes I agree with you. It would be a shame to become western dogs.

I would rather Iranians suffer some pain currently in form of sanctions and such, yet be free. This way we can build Iran to be great again.

@vsdoc, not all Zoroastrians in Iran are poor. Have you been to Iran?

Most Parsis that come, go to places near Yazd and Shiraz. Where yes, there are poor Zoroastrians. But in places like Tehran there are a lot of well off Zoroastrians as well.

 

[vsdoc]

Its not a matter of aping or becoming slave to the west guys.

That is what has ben fed to you from the womb to the grave by the mullas who want to control you and Iran by putting forward the bogey of the evil West.

The US is no saint and I 100% support Iran's right to be a regional ower, to utilize her natural resources as she sees fit, to sell to whom she wants at what price and in what quantity, and to be free of any nation's hegemony and a military power in her own right and go nuclear if she feels it is in her best interests as a nation.

But ask yourselves (or your parents - since most of you are post revolution children), could Iran not have done all of the above as part of the mainstream world and with the US not as an antagonist - if not a friend and ally?

Can you not see the harm the path the mullas have put you on is doing to your generation?

Can you not see that you can go nuclear and be a strong vibrant and independent country MUCH easier without the mullas and their thugs than saddled with them?

What happened to the shortlived green revolution?

Why did it die?

Btw, Ahmedinejad is Azeri right? What about the Ayotollahs? Are they Persian?

I can simply swap the head-dress and cloak and they could pass off as any Zoroastrian mobed

 

[Shahin Vatani]

Ahmadinejad is from Semnan and is Persian. Khamenei's father is Azeri, his mother is Persian and was raised in Mashhad. Ayatollahs there is a split, some are Persian, some are Azeri, some are Lor and so on.

Now on to your point about America. They didn't allow Iran to prosper when we where their ally. That is why we had to turn against them. Go read up on Operation Ajax, when America done a coup d'etat against Iran's only democratically elected leader.

 

[vsdoc]

When you say there is a split in the Ayotollahs, as in plural, does it mean its like a caste or sect or body - like the high priest dastoors and mobeds of Zoroastrians?

I always thought there was just one, like the Dalai Lama or the Pope.

Is it hereditary/by birth?

And they control the entire Shia world - not just Iran right?

I know my Shia friends look up to him as THE big boss.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

There is not just one Ayatollah. There are many. All Ayatollah means is a high ranking Shia cleric. There are Ayatollahs in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Azerbaijan and even India. In Lucknow I know there are a few.

What you are thinking of is Rahbar (Leader). Khamenei is the Rahbar, and yes there is only one of that. He is half Azeri and half Persian.

 

[vsdoc]

So Rahbar, is it by rotation, so that ayatollahs of all countries mentioned by you get a shot?

As far as I know, both the last one and this one were both from Iran right?

 

[Shahin Vatani]

No Rahbar is the leader of Iran, and by extension leader of the Shia world. Rahbar can only be from Iran.

Although some Shias also look up to Ayatollahs that are not the Rahbar. Many Shia for example look up to Ali Sistani, or Hossein Ali Montazeri before he passed away 3 years ago.