No I don’t pray jummah

[jamahir]

General or so called general al douri the celtic looking iraqi lol,

ah yes, the red hair and the ussr-officer-type mustache and a quite striking face.

I heard he is no more

that's what they said, but who knows.

anyway the US was trying to project him as some kind of Blofeld like mastermind running the insurgency ,when the truth was it was a vast mosiac of different groups in a popular peoples insurgency which had very little if anything to do with the likes of al douri who I was told by an iraqi freind of mine used to sell ice chunks priopr to the rise of saddam.kudos

no doubt that the iraqi resistance ( what the westerner governments termed "insurgency" ) but we must not take away the struggle of mr. al-douri... in 2011, during the nato/proxy invasion of libyan jamahiriya it was reported that al-douri and many of his fighters had moved to libya[1] in support of the jamahiriya resistance :

Saturday, 24.09.2011

The Arab Socialist Baath Party (Arab Renaissance), led by former Iraqi Vice President Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, announced that they have joined Muammar Gaddafi and the Libyan Jamahiriya in the fight to liberate Libya. Iraqi resistance fighters, officers and security services have accumulated vast experience in fighting in urban and rural settings against the invaders: Americans, British and other "Georgians," as well as local collaborators.

The Iraqi Liberation Front and The Ba'ath Party, as well as Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, enjoyed the financial support of Gaddafi since the invasion of Iraq by foreign imperialist invaders in 2003. The U.S. military command in Iraq has promised to pay the fee of $10 million for the capture of Izzat Ibrahim al-Dour

Ibrahim al-Douri said, "We have come to the tomb of Omar al-Mukhtar, in this difficult hour for his country to help his people." By speaking in this manner, Ibrahim al-Douri has acknowledged that the struggle in Libya is the struggle against colonialism--the same struggle that Omar al-Muktar confronted, and fought, for 20 years during the colonization of Libya by the Italians

The fact that General Ibrahim al-Douri was able to relocate his forces to Libya, despite having been hunted for 8 years by the imperialists, and despite having a $10 million price on his head, demonstrates his wisdom even more than his already well-known valor and skills in the art of war. General Ibrahim al-Douri understands that Iraq faces the same evil forces that Libya faces.

so from selling ice chunks to ba'ath movement to becoming the iraqi vice president and then a unfindable leader of the iraqi resistance - a capable man.


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[1] Update on the war against Libya and Africa - September 24, 2011

 

[django]

ah yes, the red hair and the ussr-officer-type mustache and a quite striking face.



that's what they said, but who knows.



no doubt that the iraqi resistance ( what the westerner governments termed "insurgency" ) but we must not take away the struggle of mr. al-douri... in 2011, during the nato/proxy invasion of libyan jamahiriya it was reported that al-douri and many of his fighters had moved to libya[1] in support of the jamahiriya resistance :





so from selling ice chunks to ba'ath movement to becoming the iraqi vice president and then a unfindable leader of the iraqi resistance - a capable man.


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[1] Update on the war against Libya and Africa - September 24, 2011

Personally do not buy into the "moved to Libya" argument, he was a very old man, with no military experience even though he was promoted to general by his cousin saddam, he really would have been no use to the Gaddafi forces, i suspect these are just rumours, most likely he must have perished in tikrit or some adjacent place.kudos

 

[Djinn]

@jamahir Check out the snow on Margalla hills Islamabad. Leaving for Murree in the morning.

 

[jamahir]

Personally do not buy into the "moved to Libya" argument, he was a very old man, with no military experience even though he was promoted to general by his cousin saddam, he really would have been no use to the Gaddafi forces, i suspect these are just rumours, most likely he must have perished in tikrit or some adjacent place.kudos

one need not be the outcome of a western-style or eastern-style military staff college to become a military officer... i am sure he picked up fighting tactics during his revolutionary politics time in the ba'ath movement and then honed over years and we must include his intelligence and capability... india and pakistan are not revolutionary societies in creation so we will find this new.

he was the leader ( and a fighting leader ) of the iraqi resistance and a leader of a spiritual/religious order... a respected man... the iraqis held him in respect and the usa and british militaries feared him.

yes, he was a old man, a cancer sufferer and was aged 69 in 2011, the same age as muammar gaddafi then... muammar was generally a active man and mr. al-douri by then was a resistance leader for eight years !!

as for his death it is not confirmed... there is no dna confirmation.

@jamahir Check out the snow on Margalla hills Islamabad. Leaving for Murree in the morning.

beautiful !!

in the first photo, the scene looks like from central asia ( the openness and the snow peaks ).

the second photo, the faisal mosque looks so picturesque, sitting below the big hills with snow peaks.

this doesn't look a subcontinent scene at all... islamabad is beautiful.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

The author doesn't know how to use the internet? What a BS of an article seriously.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Good to read.....


No I don’t pray jummah

It shames me to admit that I don’t offer my prayers. This is not because I am a non-Muslim, nor is it because I do not want to pray. Truth of the matter is that I don’t know how to offer my prayers. I am 23-years-old and I am still not sure about the number of farz, sunnat, and nafal to offer with each namaz. In the past, I have tried to cover up my ignorance by making excuses.

However, the day Shahbaz Taseer was abducted was the day I stopped hiding.

I had joined a new firm in the month of Ramazan, and was welcomed by a very religious environment. My co-workers naturally assumed that I would join them for prayer everyday, but I did not know how to pray. To hide my shame, I kept making excuses to not pray.

“I will offer my prayers at home” I sometimes said.

Other times I just skipped out during prayer timings, so as not to be cornered and questioned. When the probing got intense, I often contemplated the idea of going to the mosque and copying the actions and motions of other people. However, even though I don’t know how to pray, I am still a Muslim. Being a hypocrite in a mosque just did not sit right with me.

So there I was alone in the office at jummah namaz time when my eye suddenly caught sight of the words ‘Taseer’ and ‘abducted’ on the online newspaper. I stiffened in my chair as I read the tragic news that Shahbaz Taseer has been abducted. I conveyed this news to my colleagues as soon as they returned from jummah namaz, expecting an uproar and a fervent discussion. However, all I got was:

“Who is he?”

Salmaan Taseer’s son, I replied dumbfounded.

I could not solicit a greater response than “acha”, “hmmm” and “maybe you are taking his abduction too seriously.” One of my colleagues stated that dozens of people get kidnapped everyday to which I replied that this was a high profile case and and can be related to Salmaan Taseer’s murder. He, however replied:

“Salmaan Taseer was rightfully killed as he was ghustakh e Rasool and Qadri is ghazi.“

Appalled, I replied that all Salmaan Taseer did was question the law made and passed by the parliament of Pakistan, not Allah or his Messenger.

This was, apparently, the wrong thing to say.

I realized that I made everyone in the room very angry. I had to say something to cool things down. I was getting evil stares and fierce looks. A young man sitting in the room wanted to say something but decided to let the deathly silence prevail. I had to say something in my defense – anything. But what could I say? I wasn’t sure about any Quranic surahs, or ayats. I started questioning myself. Did I say something against Allah or the Holy Prophet (Pbuh)? No. This made me feel a little better.

At length, one of the two bearded men in the room stated:

”Do you even know what Salmaan Taseer said on TV?”

The other bearded man immediately voiced his opinion by stating that Shahbaz Taseer has been rightfully abducted as his father was a blasphemer.

To this I just had to reply:

“On every forum he only questioned this man-made law. Never did he question Allah’s or the Prophet’s authority.”

The elder bearded intellectual went on to quote several verses from Quran which calls for a blasphemer to be killed. I am no authority of Islam; I was trying to prove my point by stating what I learnt in my O’ level Islamiat class – what Islam actually stands for.

However, I was interrupted by an allegation that made my cheeks flame red. The younger bearded man stood up, pointed his finger at me, and shaking in rage, he stated:

“You are a blasphemer! Anyone who supports a blasphemer is also a blasphemer!”

After his allegation had sunk in, I made one last move to defend myself. I calmly stated that I was arguing over one man-made law. This has nothing to do with the Shariah.

The elder bearded man dismissed my speech and interrupted me by saying:

“He doesn’t even offer prayers. Forget about him. There’s a lot of work to be done.”

I was shocked. How are prayers related to blasphemy? Where does the Quran say that one who doesn’t know how to pray is a blasphemer? For the remainder of the day I was ignored; no goodbyes or Allah hafiz’s were exchanged with me. There was no conversation whatsoever.

I was very upset when I got home. I watched some TV, ate my dinner and went to bed. However, I just couldn’t sleep. I kept thinking about why my praying or not praying is so important to other people. There are more pressing issues such as ethnic violence, abduction, murder, looting, floods, dengue, and so many more. Yet, why are people so bothered about my praying habits?

It was then that I realised that I am answerable to God alone, and social pressures should not be the only reason I should offer my prayers. I, thus, made the decision that I will nott offer excuses any more - I won’t lie. Praying is something personal an no one has the right to judge a matter that should be judged by Allah alone. God will punish me if He so desires. The people who work at my office do not have the right to tag me as a non-believer.

August 26 was, thus, the last day I made an excuse for not offering prayers. Now, if the question of my namaz ever pops up, I politely reply that it is my personal matter.

I understand that I need to make an effort to learn how to offer prayers, and I am trying my best to do so. However, I am not comfortable with people pushing me to do what they want me to do and be what they want me to be. I don’t want to learn how to pray to save myself of the embarrassment that others instil in me. I want to learn how to pray because I love Allah.

No I don’t pray jummah – The Express Tribune Blog

Header should be, "Why I don't want to pray".

 

[MastanKhan]

Good to read.....


No I don’t pray jummah

It shames me to admit that I don’t offer my prayers. This is not because I am a non-Muslim, nor is it because I do not want to pray. Truth of the matter is that I don’t know how to offer my prayers. I am 23-years-old and I am still not sure about the number of farz, sunnat, and nafal to offer with each namaz. In the past, I have tried to cover up my ignorance by making excuses.

However, the day Shahbaz Taseer was abducted was the day I stopped hiding.

I had joined a new firm in the month of Ramazan, and was welcomed by a very religious environment. My co-workers naturally assumed that I would join them for prayer everyday, but I did not know how to pray. To hide my shame, I kept making excuses to not pray.

“I will offer my prayers at home” I sometimes said.

Other times I just skipped out during prayer timings, so as not to be cornered and questioned. When the probing got intense, I often contemplated the idea of going to the mosque and copying the actions and motions of other people. However, even though I don’t know how to pray, I am still a Muslim. Being a hypocrite in a mosque just did not sit right with me.

So there I was alone in the office at jummah namaz time when my eye suddenly caught sight of the words ‘Taseer’ and ‘abducted’ on the online newspaper. I stiffened in my chair as I read the tragic news that Shahbaz Taseer has been abducted. I conveyed this news to my colleagues as soon as they returned from jummah namaz, expecting an uproar and a fervent discussion. However, all I got was:

“Who is he?”

Salmaan Taseer’s son, I replied dumbfounded.

I could not solicit a greater response than “acha”, “hmmm” and “maybe you are taking his abduction too seriously.” One of my colleagues stated that dozens of people get kidnapped everyday to which I replied that this was a high profile case and and can be related to Salmaan Taseer’s murder. He, however replied:

“Salmaan Taseer was rightfully killed as he was ghustakh e Rasool and Qadri is ghazi.“

Appalled, I replied that all Salmaan Taseer did was question the law made and passed by the parliament of Pakistan, not Allah or his Messenger.

This was, apparently, the wrong thing to say.

I realized that I made everyone in the room very angry. I had to say something to cool things down. I was getting evil stares and fierce looks. A young man sitting in the room wanted to say something but decided to let the deathly silence prevail. I had to say something in my defense – anything. But what could I say? I wasn’t sure about any Quranic surahs, or ayats. I started questioning myself. Did I say something against Allah or the Holy Prophet (Pbuh)? No. This made me feel a little better.

At length, one of the two bearded men in the room stated:

”Do you even know what Salmaan Taseer said on TV?”

The other bearded man immediately voiced his opinion by stating that Shahbaz Taseer has been rightfully abducted as his father was a blasphemer.

To this I just had to reply:

“On every forum he only questioned this man-made law. Never did he question Allah’s or the Prophet’s authority.”

The elder bearded intellectual went on to quote several verses from Quran which calls for a blasphemer to be killed. I am no authority of Islam; I was trying to prove my point by stating what I learnt in my O’ level Islamiat class – what Islam actually stands for.

However, I was interrupted by an allegation that made my cheeks flame red. The younger bearded man stood up, pointed his finger at me, and shaking in rage, he stated:

“You are a blasphemer! Anyone who supports a blasphemer is also a blasphemer!”

After his allegation had sunk in, I made one last move to defend myself. I calmly stated that I was arguing over one man-made law. This has nothing to do with the Shariah.

The elder bearded man dismissed my speech and interrupted me by saying:

“He doesn’t even offer prayers. Forget about him. There’s a lot of work to be done.”

I was shocked. How are prayers related to blasphemy? Where does the Quran say that one who doesn’t know how to pray is a blasphemer? For the remainder of the day I was ignored; no goodbyes or Allah hafiz’s were exchanged with me. There was no conversation whatsoever.

I was very upset when I got home. I watched some TV, ate my dinner and went to bed. However, I just couldn’t sleep. I kept thinking about why my praying or not praying is so important to other people. There are more pressing issues such as ethnic violence, abduction, murder, looting, floods, dengue, and so many more. Yet, why are people so bothered about my praying habits?

It was then that I realised that I am answerable to God alone, and social pressures should not be the only reason I should offer my prayers. I, thus, made the decision that I will nott offer excuses any more - I won’t lie. Praying is something personal an no one has the right to judge a matter that should be judged by Allah alone. God will punish me if He so desires. The people who work at my office do not have the right to tag me as a non-believer.

August 26 was, thus, the last day I made an excuse for not offering prayers. Now, if the question of my namaz ever pops up, I politely reply that it is my personal matter.

I understand that I need to make an effort to learn how to offer prayers, and I am trying my best to do so. However, I am not comfortable with people pushing me to do what they want me to do and be what they want me to be. I don’t want to learn how to pray to save myself of the embarrassment that others instil in me. I want to learn how to pray because I love Allah.

No I don’t pray jummah – The Express Tribune Blog

Hi,

This is a very interesting article and the reaction of the fundos is predictable---.

 

[pak-marine]

people go cambridge to learn engineering but cant go too local mosque to learn the basics of islam...

Probably Some (very few) who think that they can think rationally it sucks .. Could be the case .. Islamists should stop trying to shove islam into every one elses throat ..

 

[Djinn]

beautiful !!

in the first photo, the scene looks like from central asia ( the openness and the snow peaks ).

the second photo, the faisal mosque looks so picturesque, sitting below the big hills with snow peaks.

this doesn't look a subcontinent scene at all... islamabad is beautiful.

Yeah Margalla hills have received snow fall after a decade or so. The following pic is from my university which is at the base of Margalla hills.

 

[jamahir]

Yeah Margalla hills have received snow fall after a decade or so. The following pic is from my university which is at the base of Margalla hills.

nice !!

so i presume you often turn into sanjay khan for some lady and croon "waadiyan mera daaman, raaste meri baahen, jao mere siva tum kahaan jaaoge" :

Wadiyan mera daman... - YouTube

 

[Djinn]

nice !!

so i presume you often turn into sanjay khan for some lady and croon "waadiyan mera daaman, raaste meri baahen, jao mere siva tum kahaan jaaoge" :

Wadiyan mera daman... - YouTube

You can say that lol. Thou when in university i offer all my prayers at the mosque.

 

[Moonlight]

today is jummah and yes, i wasn't wearing above-ankle tableeghi pyjamas and hurrying off to mosque on a motorcycle at 70 kilometers per hour casting aside the pedestrians hither-thither.

this is a thread for me but nowadays i am jogi, a sufi, above silly human politics so i will stop here.

Am I reading it right? Jogi & Sufi. :p

 

[jamahir]

Am I reading it right? Jogi & Sufi. :p

both the same, if one takes the all-embracing traditions of sufism[1] :

History and origin

The Jogi Faqir call themselves Madariya Faqir, as they trace their origin from the Sufi saint Jinda Jhullan Shah Madari. Their ancestor was Jay Pal, the guru of the Chauhan ruler of North India, Prithvi Raj, who became the disciple of the Sufi, Moinuddin Chishti, and was known as Abdullah Biyabani, after his conversion to Islam. The community have three sub-groups, Chaurash, Tappa and Athgara.

Present circumstances

They are found in the districts of Kanpur, Fatehpur, Unnao, Pratapgarh, Allahabad, Mirzapur, Varanasi, Barabanki, Basti, Sant Kabir Nagar and the city of Lukhnow. They were traditionally involved with begging and providing specialized religious services. Like other Muslim communities in North India, they are undergoing social change, and become more orthodox. They have always been Sunni, and many are now employed as village imams.

jogi and jogiya are words used in hindi cinema too and don't point to a particular religion.


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[1] Jogi Faqir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Moonlight]

Interesting very interesting indeed. This brother is trying to play the hide and seek, just to cover up that he doesn't know how to pray. Before writing it all up, shouldn't he just look it up to find it out. Learn it & and offer it. Then write about this all.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

There are two things

Haqooq Allah(something between you and creator Allah)
Haqooq ul baad( You and your dealing with creation of Allah)

You cannot impose haqooq Allah on others. You can try to make people realize the importance of Haqooq Allah if they are your close friends or relatives but you cannot force someone to offer prayers or keep fasting because then they will do such things because of fear of people or state rather than because of fear of Allah. Such worship will serve no purpose because intention matter a lot..one joke


.woo ek molvi ek bachey ko lalauch deta ha k beta namaz parhoo ghey tu gift doon ga..bacha namaz parh kar gift mangta ha molvi se tu molvi bolta ha main tu mazaaq kar rha tha

bacha aghey se bolta ha acha main ne b phir bagir woozoo(wuduu) k namaz parhi ha