No freedom of belief for muslim students in liberal secular Switzerland

[trident2010]

Send them back to middle east where they can enjoy their freedom of belief. In Europe follow European customs. If don't like it no one is stopping them to go back.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

oh come on bro i agree these type of people might need little bit of psychological help because they might be little bit shy of opposite gender but they are not psychopath who need to be admitted in a hospital for psychological help in a cell. don't you think its a little bit too extreme
(not defending the people who are refusing it on religious grounds but the people with social anxiety who try to avoid as much public contact as they can)

It is not because they are shy, as per the report, they are not doing this because of their religious beliefs.

There was another news couple of days ago, about two girls denied citizenship because they refused to swim in the single swimming pool where both male and female swim together. I guess the thread is closed or deleted by moderator.

These are the starting points. First refuse handshake, then start asking for praying places in work areas, then ask for special privis during ramzaan ( i remember there was a thread cribbing about muslims feeling sad because their co-workers in some western country ( i dont exactly remember the name) were eating meat/drinking alcohol during Ramzaan period during lunch time), asking for veil...

Arrey baba, why to go there when you have so many issue with the people living there? Are you there because you want to occupy the land and facilities, which were built there because of the free values?

Its really commendable how the two syrian boys are holding an uncompromising attitude and they are so firm in their faith. May Allah (swt) strengthen their faith and keep them steadfast in the way of Islam and make life easy and comfortable for them

Sorry, but when you are following a book then that logically means you are killing your own logical and reasoning thinking because you dont question the book or try to find the reasoning under what circumstances the book was written. So in reality your freedom of expression or free will is already suppressed. First get out of that suppression then demand from others.

 

[Hell hound]

It is not because they are shy, as per the report, they are not doing this because of their religious beliefs.

There was another news couple of days ago, about two girls denied citizenship because they refused to swim in the single swimming pool where both male and female swim together. I guess the thread is closed or deleted by moderator.

These are the starting points. First refuse handshake, then start asking for praying places in work areas, then ask for special privis during ramzaan ( i remember there was a thread cribbing about muslims feeling sad because their co-workers in some western country ( i dont exactly remember the name) were eating meat/drinking alcohol during Ramzaan period during lunch time), asking for veil...

Arrey baba, why to go there when you have so many issue with the people living there? Are you there because you want to occupy the land and facilities, which were built there because of the free values?




Sorry, but when you are following a book then that logically means you are killing your own logical and reasoning thinking because you dont question the book or try to find the reasoning under what circumstances the book was written. So in reality your freedom of expression or free will is already suppressed. First get out of that suppression then demand from others.

bro they can implement any law they want its their country i can't do any thing about it neither i want to.but whats my problem here is European hypocrisy they want our countries to provide rights to the minorities and yet when their time come to show the world that they can act on what they preach. they are backing off.if you can't handle the right wing Muslims just increase the screening process and only accept the open minded indivuals. control the intake but making such laws are against the basic concept of free will.to show you how it is against free will let me give you my own example i am extremely shy when it come to females because of my upbringing in extremely segregated society. but i am a liberal and see no issue in shaking hands or swimming with other gender but i myself can't do it not because of islam but because of my shyness.now lets say i am in Switzerland isn't this law forcing me to do thing against my own free will.what if i am shy about my body hence unwilling to swim should i be denied citizenship just because i was shy.
now coming toward the Muslim part most of them are stubborn right wingest they are unwilling to change while they want their hosts to bend all the way. these guys should stay in the hell holes they are living in if they don't want to change.

 

[baajey]

bro they can implement any law they want its their country i can't do any thing about it neither i want to.but whats my problem here is European hypocrisy they want our countries to provide rights to the minorities and yet when their time come to show the world that they can act on what they preach. they are backing off.if you can't handle the right wing Muslims just increase the screening process and only accept the open minded indivuals. control the intake but making such laws are against the basic concept of free will.to show you how it is against free will let me give you my own example i am extremely shy when it come to females because of my upbringing in extremely segregated society. but i am a liberal and see no issue in shaking hands or swimming with other gender but i myself can't do it not because of islam but because of my shyness.now lets say i am in Switzerland isn't this law forcing me to do thing against my own free will.what if i am shy about my body hence unwilling to swim should i be denied citizenship just because i was shy.
now coming toward the Muslim part most of them are stubborn right wingest they are unwilling to change while they want their hosts to bend all the way. these guys should stay in the hell holes they are living in if they don't want to change.

Sir,
Compare the rights of different sides, rights provided and importance of those rights for a decent survival.
We are not talking of religious gratification through immigration.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

bro they can implement any law they want its their country i can't do any thing about it neither i want to.but whats my problem here is European hypocrisy they want our countries to provide rights to the minorities and yet when their time come to show the world that they can act on what they preach. they are backing off.if you can't handle the right wing Muslims just increase the screening process and only accept the open minded indivuals. control the intake but making such laws are against the basic concept of free will.to show you how it is against free will let me give you my own example i am extremely shy when it come to females because of my upbringing in extremely segregated society. but i am a liberal and see no issue in shaking hands or swimming with other gender but i myself can't do it not because of islam but because of my shyness.now lets say i am in Switzerland isn't this law forcing me to do thing against my own free will.what if i am shy about my body hence unwilling to swim should i be denied citizenship just because i was shy.
now coming toward the Muslim part most of them are stubborn right wingest they are unwilling to change while they want their hosts to bend all the way. these guys should stay in the hell holes they are living in if they don't want to change.

Shying is one thing and specifically not doing because of religious belief is another and that too it is just a handshake. Asking one to eating something or to harm others to prove loyalty is wrong but mere shakehand is not.

Do you really think, the action of this sort was taken instantaneously? There must be few meetings, counselling already happened and family or the boys must be very adamant not to shake hands because of their religion. After considering all these, action was taken i presume as they must be aware of the repercussion.

 

[-xXx-]

Perhaps that's why they are still liberal.

 

[Tshering22]

LOL, dont misinform while I am not active in PDF sista.....it was true during Soeharto rule, now since democracy comes we have different policy


Dwi Tiara (Sulawesi Tenggara)

And talking about government hospitals, as far as I know Hijab employees are the majority.

Nurse

Our Armed force still not allows Hijab employee but the tendency is there since our previous Armed Force General, Moeldoko, supports the idea to allow hijab employees/soldiers to wear that during duty (2015)

Sista?

I am a guy.

With all the recent menace of threat to security, it is practical to keep the facial features recognizable everywhere.

Indonesia is also a victim of dangerous terrorism and has lost lot of innocent lives.

So if whichever sections of your society has this rule, there might be a reason for it.

 

[Indos]

Sista?

I am a guy.

With all the recent menace of threat to security, it is practical to keep the facial features recognizable everywhere.

Indonesia is also a victim of dangerous terrorism and has lost lot of innocent lives.

So if whichever sections of your society has this rule, there might be a reason for it.

I was referring to madokafc but I still quote you to inform you with better info as you are one of the guys who get misinformed by her post. Thats why I use sista words there.

 

[Mugwop]

Hindu supremacists who migrate to Arabian peninsula in vast numbers have the audacity to tell muslims to leave switzerland that too on PDF

Refusing to shake someone's hands is a sign of disrespect but if you are in a situation like this then Wear some gloves end of story

 

[Soumitra]

Hindu supremacists who migrate to Arabian peninsula in vast numbers have the audacity to tell muslims to leave switzerland that too on PDF

Refusing to shake someone's hands is a sign of disrespect but if you are in a situation like this then Wear some gloves end of story

IF these "Hindu Supremists" dont follow the cultural traditions of the country feel free to deport them

My understanding is that the majority of the migrants to the gulf countries are from Kerala and most of these are communists and not Hindu Supremists. This year for the fist time since independence BJP has managed to win one seat in the kerala assembly. If majority of the people of Kerala were "Hindu Suprimists" then BJP would have had a greater presence in the state

 

[MarkusS]

bro they can implement any law they want its their country i can't do any thing about it neither i want to.but whats my problem here is European hypocrisy they want our countries to provide rights to the minorities and yet when their time come to show the world that they can act on what they preach. they are backing off.if you can't handle the right wing Muslims just increase the screening process and only accept the open minded indivuals. control the intake but making such laws are against the basic concept of free will.to show you how it is against free will let me give you my own example i am extremely shy when it come to females because of my upbringing in extremely segregated society. but i am a liberal and see no issue in shaking hands or swimming with other gender but i myself can't do it not because of islam but because of my shyness.now lets say i am in Switzerland isn't this law forcing me to do thing against my own free will.what if i am shy about my body hence unwilling to swim should i be denied citizenship just because i was shy.
now coming toward the Muslim part most of them are stubborn right wingest they are unwilling to change while they want their hosts to bend all the way. these guys should stay in the hell holes they are living in if they don't want to change.

what if i tell you that 99% of europeans give a shit about your country and your people?

We want make business. I dont care if your pour acid on your women. I dont care if you murder millions within your country.

I care for deals and that you dont do this infront our face.

 

[50cent]

Would any. MUslim country let casinos gambling alchol shop to open in their areas answer is no then why a particular community blame Europeans for not giving enough freedom in any society u live u have to follow their rules nobody is above society rules

 

[Nike]

LOL, dont misinform while I am not active in PDF sista.....it was true during Soeharto rule, now since democracy comes we have different policy


Dwi Tiara (Sulawesi Tenggara)

And talking about government hospitals, as far as I know Hijab employees are the majority.

Nurse

Our Armed force still not allows Hijab employee but the tendency is there since our previous Armed Force General, Moeldoko, supports the idea to allow hijab employees/soldiers to wear that during duty (2015)

they can forbade it if there is emergency contingency in it

 

[Mugwop]

IF these "Hindu Supremists" dont follow the cultural traditions of the country feel free to deport them

My understanding is that the majority of the migrants to the gulf countries are from Kerala and most of these are communists and not Hindu Supremists. This year for the fist time since independence BJP has managed to win one seat in the kerala assembly. If majority of the people of Kerala were "Hindu Suprimists" then BJP would have had a greater presence in the state

So you admit members of bjp are hindu supremacists.I would have given you a like for your honesty but what you said about keralites is not accurate. 45% of indians in uae are keralites and out of those 45% some of them are atheist "not communist" and some are hindu. Out of the rest I am pretty sure you will find a lot of bjp supporters in uae who secretly harbor hate for muslims and arabs.

Them following or not following cultural traditions doesn't bother me,Them being hypocrites does.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Have the Swiss banned mosques, are they stopping Muslims from practising religion? No. So stop crying.