No freedom of belief for muslim students in liberal secular Switzerland

[The Sandman]

but also all the passages which startled me really.

For example?

 

[T-Rex]

As i said. There are more important things for me than your country and future. For example i ordered a pair of new addidas shoes at monday but amazon didn´t deliver yet. Thats really bad.

Yes, that's exactly what I think, you guys have better things to do than imposing your ideas upon other nations. Tell this to your buddies and peace will prevail in many parts of the globe.

I do not think Italy gives 2 hoots about bangladesh, two reason, Italy is not a superpower and Bangla has no relevance/interest for italy.

When I talk to him I see him not just an Italian but a westerner because that's how he and his fellow westerners see us. Do you think they give a hoot about any Muslim nation? After all these years of suckularism and western ways of life Turkey is still viewed by them as a Muslim state not a European state. They only think of how to exploit our natural resources and keep us weak and divided.

our land , our ideas , our traditions ..whats us ? Who is us ? u are a benagli we are pakistanis .. We have no business toghether thats what your countrymen decided decades ago... So wake up
And smell the cofee

What if u were the judge jury and executioner and i was the prisoner ... what excatly would be my punishment ..not so Honorable judge !!??

Never mind what that 'us' means, you're definitely not a part of it. So, relax in your suckular dungeon.

Why are you writing everything in bold letter? .

Is it about writing in bold or normal font? Do you always drag in irrelevant issue when you cannot reply logically? Who's forcing you to read my posts?

 

[mehboobkz]

Golden words; Follow the local rules.

In Rome?
Do as Roman do.

Why flout rules?
The next option?
Leave the country.

But Swiss cheese is a heck of a cheese to be left untouched without a bite, even with 100 holes in it.

 

[Perpendicular]

When I talk to him I see him not just an Italian but a westerner because that's how he and his fellow westerners see us. Do you think they give a hoot about any Muslim nation? After all these years of suckularism and western ways of life Turkey is still viewed by them as a Muslim state not a European state. They only think of how to exploit our natural resources and keep us weak and divided.

I won't categorize every Italian or every westerner of being bias or racist. There are bad apples but that shouldn't let a sweeping judgment about.
It's yours duty that you don't get exploited by them, If you are too weak to see that then too bad.
Secularism has been identified and used as a tool to progress by societies and it has worked.

 

[MarkusS]

You mean all Muslims are your enemies? I am a Muslim too, am I also your enemy?

You arent my enemy but i wouldnt trust you and stay om guard and alerted. I would avoid any situation where i would depend on you.

 

[Perpendicular]

You arent my enemy but i wouldnt trust you and stay om guard and alerted. I would avoid any situation where i would depend on you.

Is it only religion or you look at skin tan also.

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

For example?

How about a classic like sure 9(5) or 8(55).
Buddy, you know the Quran better than me. Of course, this can either be interpreted, but I have also said. But don`t tell me those passages don`t exist and it would not be many Muslims, who live the Quran in this form.

 

[T-Rex]

I won't categorize every Italian or every westerner of being bias or racist. There are bad apples but that shouldn't let a sweeping judgment about.

Replace the 'westerner' in your statement by the word 'Muslim' and see if you can say the same thing then talk to us about the ethics of sweeping statements, after all, we 're at the receiving end of such sweeping statements not only by ordinary non-Muslims but also by influential western politicians and priests, day in day out.

It's yours duty that you don't get exploited by them, If you are too weak to see that then too bad.

That's what Islam teaches and is it not why Islam is being branded as the religion of terrorists?

Secularism has been identified and used as a tool to progress by societies and it has worked.

Suckularism in Muslim states has given us nothing but exploitation, hatred and intolerance while it paved the way for those filthy rich suckular politicians to turn the states into their personal real estate. So, tell me why are we going to accept this devilish tool of exploitation and repression?

 

[The Sandman]

9(5)

I think this will be enough to clear your confusion about 9:5 read this too
Watch and listen carefully from 1:46 to 2:50 for explanation of that verse

Here a second video

8(55)

Now coming to this verse...
http://muslimdebate.org/theological...ms-the-worst-of-beasts-according-to-the-quran
http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/insulting_disbelievers.htm

But don`t tell me those passages don`t exist

Of course they exist why would i deny that?
BTW Do tell me what do you think after reading and listening carefully to all the things that i have posted

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

Yes, I know, the context...I didn`t deny this, did I?

Of course they exist why would i deny that?

But why did you ask me then, what startled me?

 

[-SINAN-]

When female Westerns visits mosques in Istanbul, they cover their heads....and you say that Muslims shouldn't respect them by not accepting their customs while living in their country.....It's hypocrisy nothing more. If you wanna live with Sharia go to Saudi Arabia.

 

[The Sandman]

Yes, I know, the context...I didn`t deny this, did I?



But why did you ask me then, what startled me?

You said some passages shocked you and i asked which? And you replied 9:5 and 8:55 so i just thought maybe i should clear your confusion about those verses if you had any maybe i didn't understood it correctly because your second post was actually kinda hard to understand....

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

I excuse me for my english. Yes, it shocked me, but I keep indeed the context in mind. But you must admit, many followers take this word for word nowadays.

 

[The Sandman]

I excuse me for my english. Yes, it shocked me, but I keep indeed the context in mind. But you must admit, many followers take this word for word nowadays.

Yes that is absolutely correct and that happens because of lack of education people don't bother to do the proper research but at the same time people who bash Islam do the same they intentionally do this to mislead people into hating Islam which is also really sad because they are the educated ones

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

I know, it is a cycle, someone only can try to improve the things.