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No Excuse for Violence: Obama Tells Burma

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Turkey's foreign minister, Davutoglu (the most powerful foreign minister in the Muslim world) in Arakan along with Turkish prime minister's wife.

UAE calls on international community to help Rohingya Muslims | GulfNews.com

Zardari writes to Myanmar Prez on Rohingya issue

Pakistani president Zardari writes a letter to Burma's leader to support Rohingyas.

Even the TTP got involved.

Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan threaten Myanmar over Rohingya – The Express Tribune

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Al-Azhar calls for support to Myanmar Muslims | Egypt Independent

Call for an Emergency OIC Meeting for Rohingyas by Sheikh of Al-Azhar - Salem-News.Com

The Grand Imam Dr. Ahmed Al-Tayeb, Sheikh of Al-Azhar issued a statement Tuesday, and called upon the Organization of Islamic Cooperation to hold an emergency summit of foreign ministers of Islamic countries; to discuss the implications of what is happening to Muslims in (Myanmar), and make critical decisions, to put pressure on the government of Burma to save its Muslims solving this crisis, and to call the Security Council to convene an urgent meeting, to issue a binding decision of the Government of Myanmar to stop the violence.




The Burmese regime were shocked at the huge outpouring of Muslim anger over the Rohingya issue and backed down from pursuing their goal of ethnic cleansing - the same goal that Zabaniya a.k.a Loki is supporting here.

As for the Kosova-style operation in Arakan, Asad71 bhai knows the details but there was support from Muslim including Arab states for Rohingya resistance fighters.

Burma is a weak state that cannot even defeat the Kachins, but some people seem to think it is some sort of mega-power.
 
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Kachin War Strays to Chinese Soil

By SAW YAN NAING / THE IRRAWADDY| January 2, 2013 |

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A soldier from the Kachin Independence Army (KIA) holds a rocket shell on Monday, as the government army reportedly continued air attacks on key KIA bases in Lajayang region of Burma’s northernmost state. (Photo: John Sanlin)


Ethnic minority rebels say the government army is heating up its offensive in northern Burma, with artillery shelling from jet fighters and helicopters reportedly landing on the border with China.

Speaking from the frontlines on Wednesday, Burmese war photographer John Sanlin said two rocket shellings landed Monday evening on the border with China’s Yunnan Province, just opposite the town of Laiza in northern Kachin State, where ethnic rebels from the Kachin Independence Army (KIA) make their headquarters.

Hla Seng, a soldier from the All Burma Students’ Democratic Front (ABSDF), an armed group fighting alongside Kachin rebels, confirmed that the shelling had landed on Chinese soil on Monday.

He said the fighting was continuing on Wednesday morning, with the government army sending four helicopter gunships, including Mi-24s, to fire on KIA bases at about 11 am in Lajayang, a strategic region about 11 miles from Laiza.

“They [the government army] have been attacking us non-stop by using the planes for six days. Now, they’re heating up the war by using jet fighters, helicopter gunships, artillery weapons and chemical weapons,"
he told The Irrawaddy in a phone call from the region, with gunfire heard clearly in the background.

On Tuesday, he said, jet fighters and helicopters attacked KIA bases in Lajayang and Nasam Yang regions three times.

The KIA first reported air attacks by the government army last week on Friday morning.

A top government official denied on Wednesday that it had launched an air offensive. In an interview with London-based BBC, Zaw Htay, director of the President’s Office in Naypyidaw, said the government army had not used the fighter jets or helicopter gunships for military purposes, but only to resupply troops on the frontlines.

“It’s just propaganda,” Hla Seng said of Zaw Htay’s statement, adding that the air strikes on KIA bases had been ongoing for six days.

“The more casualties and injuries they [the government army] suffers, the more troops and planes they send,” he said.

The war has escalated in Kachin State since a 17-year-old ceasefire broke down between the government army and the KIA, which is fighting for greater autonomy and basic rights.

Ethnic minority leaders and government officials have met for peace talks but have yet to reach any tangible results.

The conflict has made international headlines in recent months and is increasingly drawing attention on social media websites such as Facebook, where Kachins have posted comments about the attacks and their suffering.

Lamai Gum Ja, a Kachin national who leads the Kachin Peace-Talk Creation Group, condemned the use of air strikes in a civil war.

“I think it’s inappropriate,” he said. “It [the air strikes] can harm the peacemaking process too.”

The air strikes began last week after the government army ordered the KIA to vacate a strategic route to Lajayang.

Brig-Gen Tun Tun Naung, a northern commander of the government army, sent an order on Dec. 23 for Kachin fighters to leave the route by Dec. 25, saying government soldiers would be deployed there to work on administrative processes.

But the KIA refused to respect the order, keeping its position on the route to protect its nearby headquarters.

About 100,000 Kachin civilians have been displaced since the ceasefire broke down, taking refuge in camps on the Sino-Burma border.

The government has prevented international aid groups from helping internally displaced persons (IDPs) in rebel-held territory, and the United Nations has been unable to investigate the latest conditions on the ground.

On Tuesday, hundreds of Burmese activists in Rangoon also launched a protest in the heart of Burma’s biggest city, calling for an end to the war.

Kachin War Strays to Chinese Soil | The Irrawaddy Magazine
 
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In the realm of reality, the war with the KIA and the problem with the Rohingya will be reaching the end-game very soon. Unfortunately for both, they are standing in the way of the global-capitalist machine.
 
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You clearly do not know anything about the Rohingya crisis and are not well-informed.




Uninformed statements followed by an immature little emoticon.

Indonesia Welcomes Rohingya Refugees

Indonesia Takes In 9 Myanmar Shipwreck Survivors - WSJ.com

I could go on.

Indonesia is the biggest state in ASEAN with the biggest economy and has sent high-level politicians to visit Arakan (how many Bangladeshi politicians have gone to Arakan? - none) and raised the Rohingya issue in ASEAN, the OIC and the UN.




You are talking absolute nonsense now.

The Rohingya issue has been on Al-Jazeera, the BBC, CNN, Press TV there have been protests all over the world. Go through the thread. Obama has gone to Burma and spoken about the Rohingyas (that's how this thread started).

Egyptian activists to protest killing of Myanmar Muslims | Egypt Independent

Egypt summons Myanmar envoy over Rohingyas

Saudi Arabia accuses Myanmar of

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PressTV - Iran urges Muslims to act on genocide of Rohingyas

PressTV - Iranian cleric urges Arabs to defend Rohingyas, stop fuelling Syria crisis

Turkey Holds Talks With Myanmar On Rohingya Muslims

RI ready to fight for Rohingya | The Jakarta Post



Indonesia to help rebuild homes for Rohingyas in Burma

None of your posts counter nor complement any of the points I've made as per the subject (feasibility of organizing an armed struggle).

OIC is nothing more than a tea and biscuits organization.

And PressTV? Seriously? Or did you randomly come up with whatever Google spits out?

Ciao champ :wave:

In the realm of reality, the war with the KIA and the problem with the Rohingya will be reaching the end-game very soon. Unfortunately for both, they are standing in the way of the global-capitalist machine.

So, how soon is soon exactly? Any time frame oh great Burman?

Otherwise, you are just as delusional.
 
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Delusion is the sort of thing that kids in here like to wax poetic over that never happened or never will happen. Things like expanding your open sewer.

A lot of these rebel groups are funded from either the drug trade or, in the past, foreign governments. The regime have used their existence in a way as a justification of their illegal rule. However, all that is bound to stop within the next 3 years when everyone realises all the money they could be making. These groups will probably join the border guards and their leaders will probably receive lucrative business contracts. That's the way the world turns, I'm afraid.
 
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UN Warns Burma on Airstrikes in Kachin

January 02, 2013

The United States and the United Nations are urging the Burmese government to stop its campaign of air strikes against rebels in northern Kachin state, where an escalation in violence is threatening the country's reform process.

State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland says Washington is "extremely troubled" by the government's use of air power, and is calling for talks that would lead to an end to the fighting.

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"We are continuing to urge the Government of Burma and the Kachin Independence Organization to cease this conflict, to get to a real dialogue to address grievances as the Government of Burma has been able to do in virtually all of the other conflict areas," Nuland said.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Wednesday called on Burma to refrain from any action that could endanger the lives of civilians or promote further conflict in Kachin state.

A U.N. statement said ongoing hostilities between government forces and rebel fighters from the Kachin Independence Organization have already caused a "large displacement of civilians who continue to be in need of humanitarian assistance."

In an interview earlier Wednesday with VOA's Burmese service, a government spokesperson acknowledged that "training jets" were used in attacks on rebel positions in fighting that began last week. Other officials had at first denied carrying out the strikes.

Myra Dahgaypaw, head of the human rights group U.S. Campaign for Burma, says that President Thein Sein's calls for an end to the fighting are no longer enough. She says the increased fighting brings up real questions about the president's control over the military.

"Burma is not like the U.S., where the commander-in-chief [of the military] and the president are the same person," she said. "Burma has a totally different commander-in-chief who is totally a military person...(and) they will try and protect their power no matter what."

Burma's government and the rebels blame each other for the escalation in violence, which has continued since 2011 after a 17-year-old cease-fire broke down. Tens of thousands have been displaced.

Ethnic groups in the northern part of the country have long accused the government of systematic repression, and have been fighting for greater autonomy in their traditional states.

The Kachin rebel organization is the only major ethnic rebel group that has not reached a cease-fire agreement with the government of President Thein Sein. The president, elected in 2011, has enacted a series of reforms since coming to power.

Western analysts, however, have warned the renewed fighting in Kachin state and ongoing sectarian violence in western Rakhine state threaten to undermine political reform initiatives elsewhere in the country.

UN Warns Burma on Airstrikes in Kachin










UN Urges Thailand Not to Deport Rohingya Migrants

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A boat carrying 73 Rohingya refugees is intercepted by Thai authorities off the sea in Phuket, southern Thailand, January 1, 2013.



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January 03, 2013

The United Nations refugee agency is urging Thailand not to deport a group of Rohingya Muslim boat people, saying they could be in danger if they are sent back to Burma.

UNHCR spokesperson Vivian Tan says that the group, which is allegedly fleeing sectarian violence and persecution in Burma's western Rakhine state, may be subject to punishment upon their return.

"We're strongly advocating that they shouldn't be sent back," says Tan. "We're worried they may be punished, because there are rules where if they leave they need to apply for permits, and if they come back without these permits, we don't know what could happen - there might be some punitive measures."

Tan says U.N. officials are meeting with Thai authorities Thursday in an attempt to gain access to the group so it can "find out exactly who they are and what they need."

Thai officials said Wednesday the group of 73 migrants, including women and children, must be deported by land to Burma, but their current status is not known.

The migrants were detained by Thai authorities this week after they were found drifting in a small, overcrowded boat off the resort town of Phuket, well short of what authorities say was their final destination, Malaysia.

Sunai Phasuk, a senior researcher with Human Rights Watch, says that Thailand should suspend any plan to deport the refugees until the U.N. determines whether they have legitimate claims for protection.

He says Thai authorities, who are reluctant to absorb migrant workers from neighboring countries, must come up with a better policy for dealing with boat people.

"For the first time, Thai authorities have intercepted a boat, filled up not with young Rohingya men seeking work in Malaysia, but families with young children and women," he says. "They are traveling together claiming they are escaping persecution, human rights violations, and violence in their homeland."

Thai authorities do not accept boat people, but instead give them supplies to continue their often dangerous journeys to their final destination.

The result is often deadly. In 2008 and 2009, hundreds of Muslim Rohingya refugees are believed to have died after being turned away by Thailand.

Sunai says the problem is not going away, and that Thailand and other Southeast Asian nations must come up with a new policy to provide protection in coordination with U.N. agencies.

"We want Thailand to come up with a clear policy that recognizes Thailand's international obligations to protect asylum seekers and refugees," he says. "And in this case it is very clear that political violence, communal conflicts and human rights violations in Burma's Arakan state are getting worse and worse, and we expect there will be more Rohingya families traveling by sea in order to seek refuge in Southeast Asia."

The latest group of asylum seekers say there were headed for Malaysia, which has become a common destination for Rohingya refugees. On Sunday, about 450 Rohingya landed in Malaysia after a boat journey that left one person dead.

Rohingya are fleeing Burma's western Rakhine, or Arakan, state, where an outbreak of violence in recent months has killed dozens and displaced hundreds of thousands.

Rights groups accuse Burma's government of systematic persecution against members of the ethnic group, who are considered to be illegal immigrants from neighboring Bangladesh.

http://www.voanews.com/content/un-urges-thailand-not-to-deport-rohingya-migrants/1576870.html
 
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The UN and US condemnation of the junta air strikes on the Kachins, is bad news for the Burmese regime.

Things are heating up.

Asad71's speculation that the US may be heading for some sort of Kosova/E. Timor solution for Arakan may be stronger than some think.

None of your posts counter nor complement any of the points I've made as per the subject (feasibility of organizing an armed struggle).

OIC is nothing more than a tea and biscuits organization.

And PressTV? Seriously? Or did you randomly come up with whatever Google spits out?

Ciao champ :wave:



So, how soon is soon exactly? Any time frame oh great Burman?

Otherwise, you are just as delusional.

You do not know enough about the Rohingya issue to effectively endorse ethnic cleansing.

1 You claimed Indonesia has no Rohingya refugees.

Proven wrong.

2. You claimed there was no Muslim world interest in the Rohingya crisis.

Proven wrong.

3. As for Rohingya resistance groups.

Bangladesh supported them before 9/11 and only stopped because of post 9/11 concerns.

We can do it again and Saudi Arabia, Turkey and others will support us.
 
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Shameful treatment of Rohingya refugees

Last Updated : Thursday, January 03, 2013 1:39 PM


They are inconvenient. They are costly. They are troublesome. Thus most countries would rather that they had not come in the first place. Nevertheless, refugees are a fact of life. They have been fleeing from the terrors of conflict throughout history.

Turkey and Jordan could have done without the hundreds of thousands of Syrians who have fled across their borders and taken refuge with them. Yet both Ankara and Amman have done the decent thing. Initially from their own resources, both countries set up camps and diverted food, water and medicine to care for the growing populations of these tent cities. Turkey, with its long experience of earthquakes, diverted a large number of its emergency stores of tents and supplies to deal with the increasing refugee flow.

Arab states, not least the Kingdom, have since joined with other members of the international community to bring a longer-lasting flow of assistance to the occupants of these canvas cities now having to endure the cold and wet of an unpleasant winter. This worldwide effort to support and sustain these hundreds of thousands of miserable unfortunates would not have been possible without the original foundations provided by Jordan and Turkey who responded quickly to the desperation of helpless people.

Now compare this with the behavior on Tuesday of the Thai authorities when they intercepted a boat off the resort town of Phuket. In the vessel were 73 Rohingya Muslim refugees, the majority of them women and children, who had been at sea for 13 days. They said they had run out of food and water and had been hoping to reach Malaysia. The Thais fed these luckless souls and then announced that they would be deported overland to Burma. The boat’s passengers can expect little in the way of welcome from the Burmese authorities. What money and precious items they may have been able to keep while in Thai detention will almost certainly be taken from them on their return to the country from which they have fled.

This is by no means the first time that Thailand has acted in breach of its international obligations toward Rohingya refugees. Human Rights Watch claims that hundreds of fleeing Burmese Muslims have perished because of Thai actions. HRW says that Bangkok should be holding all refugees in humane detention until officials from the UN refugee agency, UNRA, can establish the legitimacy of their status. Economic migrants can be returned to their country of origin. Those fleeing for their lives, cannot.

HRW has told the Thais that it is perfectly clear that political violence, communal conflicts and serious human rights violations in the Rohingya’s home state of Arakan are set to create a flood of genuine refugees. It has called on Thailand and other neighboring states to which these helpless people are likely to flee to quickly develop a coordinated policy that will reflect their international obligations toward refugees.

The Thais, of course, do not want to accommodate a refugee exodus any more than the Jordanians and Turks were eager to have desperate Syrians fleeing across their borders. But Turkey and Jordan stepped up to the plate and met their obligations, not simply under international law, but out of common humanity. The Thais may protest that at least they fed and watered the passengers on the boat they intercepted. Given their determination to send them back to an extremely uncertain fate in Burma, some might wonder why they bothered.

Saudi Gazette - Shameful treatment of Rohingya refugees

Saudi Gazette

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Iranian MPs due in Myanmar to examine Rohingya Muslims’ situation

An Iranian parliamentary delegation will soon visit Myanmar to examine the latest situation of the ethnic Rohingya Muslims and find out ways to help the minority in the Southeast Asian country.


(Ahlul Bayt News Agency) - The representatives of Iran’s Foreign Ministry, Imam Khomeini's Relief Committee and the Iranian Red Crescent Society will accompany the lawmakers in their two-day visit, which is scheduled to start on January 9, deputy chairman of the Majlis Committee on National Security and Foreign Policy Mansour Haqiqatpour said on Thursday.

He added that Iran has recently dispatched the first consignment of humanitarian relief aid to Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar and noted that the second batch of aid would be sent to the country within the next days.

Some 800,000 Rohingyas are deprived of citizenship rights and suffer from a policy of discrimination that has denied them the right of naturalization and made them vulnerable to acts of violence and persecution, expulsion and displacement.

On December 25, the United Nations General Assembly issued a resolution expressing concern over the persecution of Muslims in Myanmar. The resolution called on Myanmar’s government to “protect all their (the Muslims’) human rights, including their right to a nationality.”

The UN resolution also stated that there are “systematic violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms” in Myanmar.

Hundreds of Rohingyas are believed to have been killed and thousands displaced in attacks by Buddhist extremists. The assaults have been mainly carried out in the western state of Rakhine.

Myanmar’s army forces have reportedly provided the extremists with containers of petrol for torching the houses of Muslim villagers.

Iranian MPs due in Myanmar to examine Rohingya Muslims? situation

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Indonesia pledges US$1m in aid to Myanmar's Rakhine state

Posted: 04 January 2013 1743 hrs




JAKARTA: Indonesia's foreign minister said on Friday Jakarta would pledge US$1 million in aid to western Myanmar's Rakhine state, where tens of thousands have been displaced by communal violence.

Clashes between Rohingya minority and ethnic Rakhines have left at least 180 people dead in Rakhine since June, and displaced more than 110,000 others, mostly Rohingya.

Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa said he would visit Myanmar on a 24-hour trip starting on Monday "to deal with the issue of Rohingya on the invitation of the Myanmar government".

"The Indonesian government, when I visit Myanmar, will inform of our pledge to commit US$1 million of humanitarian assistance to alleviate humanitarian suffering in Rakhine state," Natalegawa told reporters.

"Obviously there is a humanitarian problem, a challenge. The people in that state, I'm informed, are in a difficult state in terms of their basic needs."

Natalegawa said he would bring up the controversial issue of Myanmar granting citizenship for the some 800,000 Rohingya in the country, whom the government and many Burmese consider to be illegal immigrants.

The UN says the Rohingya are among the most persecuted ethnic groups in the world and has called on Myanmar's neighbours to accept them as refugees.

Unrest in Rakhine and northern Kachin state have cast a shadow over Myanmar's widely-praised emergence from decades of army rule.

The country has come under fresh scrutiny in recent days for carrying out army air strikes against rebels in Kachin as fighting intensified this week.

Indonesia pledges US$1m in aid to Myanmar's Rakhine state - Channel NewsAsia

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As if the shia killings in pakistan was not enough. Now we have this monster.

@Burmese members : could you please tell the exact ground situation and the reason for this killings ?
 
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- Saudi backed Rohingya resistance groups in the past.

- Iran has called for some sort of action and is sending their MPs there.

- Indonesian militants have called for war against Burma. Indonesia along with Turkey has been at the forefront of the campaign to defend the Rohingyas.

Muslim bloc action has deterred the fanatical and genocidal Burmese regime from carrying out their plans to ethnically cleanse all Rohingyas.

As if the shia killings in pakistan was not enough. Now we have this monster.

@Burmese members : could you please tell the exact ground situation and the reason for this killings ?

Shahadat bhai...app Shia hai?
 
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Burma has full backing from India and China.

No wonder all other countries including the US could not do much except shoot words from their ****
 
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Burma has full backing from India and China.

No wonder all other countries including the US could not do much except shoot words from their ****

How comes the Burmese can't defeat Christian rebels in the north, the Kachins?
 
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How comes the Burmese can't defeat Christian rebels in the north, the Kachins?

I meant, Burma has full diplomatic support from India and China.

China also supplies weapons but there is no direct military intervention.
 
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