No evidence India supporting terror in Pakistan: Holbrooke

[Always Neutral]

just like US asked pakistan for support in WOT

Then Why did u not say NO ? Excuse me your Govt. was the only third Govt in the world which made love officially to the Taliban so get of the high horse and ask them for forgiveness otherwise they will burn down the Country you love aka Swat style.

Regards

 

[IceCold]

The question is will he ever see any evidence of India's involvement in the western parts of Pakistan or for that matter any American. Like i always say if we have a case then we need to present it to the world and not just the Americans, we need to take friendly countries into confidence and share whatever evidence we have got with them and UN. That way it would be hard for the Americans to turn a blind eye to it but unless we do that don't expect miracles to happen for us, no one is going to stand for us.
By the way some one should have asked Holbrooke what is bugti doing in Afghan palace?

 

[IceCold]

Then Why did u not say NO ? Excuse your Govt. was the only 3 Govt.'s in the world which made love officially to the Taliban so get of the high horse and ask them for forgiveness otherwise they will burn down the Country you love aka Swat style.

Regards

How come you never show up in threads where your buddies are excepting who supported taliban and who is responsible for the mess and here you have the audacity to come up with such remarks about the 3 governments in love with taliban. It seems Mr.Always Neutral is not so Neutral after all.

 

[godsavetheworld]

Why do we need to convince the Americans? If the government of Pakistan says the terrorism is being carried out by the consulates, it has a duty towards the Pakistani people to blow those consulates up, with or without American consent.

Well go ahead, blow up the consulates. Just make sure you can avoid the ridicule like after Kabul Embassy bombings.

You've allowed yourself to be puppeted by Americans. Since you accept their aid, you also gotta accept their dictat. Reality is that Pakistan has lost all its credibilty, and no country would ever take Pakistan's version of things seriously. If you ever have to make a point, you gotta make it via Americans, which will be a daunting task since America has already torn right through ISI's double games.

So, if Pakistan wants its opinion to be heard and respected, first root out terrorism, and straighten up ISI.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

This is an eye opening statement .
There is no dought that India is supporting terrorist in Pakistan Like BLA etc. What concerns me is that by making such statements on media Halbrook is actually accepting the Fact that
" Hey you guys We are supporting Raw in Afghanistan so that they could set the ground in Pakistan for US to target Pakistani NUKES and Eventually establish Indian supermacy in the reagion to tackle the Chinese Threat "

They want Pakistan to be slave of India so that India could take on the greater Target which is China.

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto pointed out same thing decades ago.


“The idea of becoming subservient to India is abhorrent and that of cooperation with India, with the object of promoting tension with China, equally repugnant.” Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto

This is a whole game is of bringing down China and Pakistan .

In Bringing down Soviet Union Pakistan was the strategik Partner and now in case of China its India which is strategik partner.

The Neocons didnt made strategik deals and offered them red hot wepons like Patriot Missile Defense system out of no where . They engaged India just for this sole Purpose to tackle the SINO-PAKISTAN threat.

 

[sohailbutt]

Who the hell on earth asked holbrooke to give this statement for India, America should stop this lunacy of their's in interferring in other's matters.

I see now, when India raises matters against Pakistan, America sends it's federal agencies to investigate and when attacks take place in Pakistan, US comes to defend India, dissapointing......

It is our Governments weakness that they cannot tell US to stay out of their internal matters, i hoped we had a President like Iran's not Mr.10%, who is just another American puppet dancing to it's beat

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Well go ahead, blow up the consulates. Just make sure you can avoid the ridicule like after Kabul Embassy bombings.

You've allowed yourself to be puppeted by Americans. Since you accept their aid, you also gotta accept their dictat. Reality is that Pakistan has lost all its credibilty, and no country would ever take Pakistan's version of things seriously. If you ever have to make a point, you gotta make it via Americans, which will be a daunting task since America has already torn right through ISI's double games.

So, if Pakistan wants its opinion to be heard and respected, first root out terrorism, and straighten up ISI.

I am sure your consulates wont gona stay in Afghanistan for long . AS Your strategik Partner US is facing the worst economic downturn of the History. Things in Afghanistan are not that good for US also. Sooner or Later they would be leaving in Afghanistan and if they Dont then they will face simillar results which Soviet Union did and when your Unkle Sams gona leave Afghanistan it would be the Last Day of any Indian activity in Afghanistan .

 

[IceCold]

I am sure your consulates wont gona stay in Afghanistan for long . AS Your strategik Partner US is facing the worst economic downturn of the History. Things in Afghanistan are not that good for US also. Sooner or Later they would be leaving in Afghanistan and if they Dont then they will face simillar results which Soviet Union did and when your Unkle Sams gona leave Afghanistan it would be the Last Day of any Indian activity in Afghanistan .

Would love to see Indian blood spilled over the Afghan soil, a taste of their own medicine.

 

[Contrarian]

Why do we need to convince the Americans? If the government of Pakistan says the terrorism is being carried out by the consulates, it has a duty towards the Pakistani people to blow those consulates up, with or without American consent.

Why do we need to seek validation from the US? Either the Pak government tells us they are sure of the Indian activity or they are not. If they are sure, blow up those consulates and the people of Pakistan will support the government for protecting our lives.

Maybe they are sure, but blowing the consulates up will lead to full scale war with India. Maybe they think Pakistan doesnt have an appetitie for war right now.

So diplomatic pressure on India through US maybe on their minds.

 

[Sambha]

i remember a BJP supporter telling me on one chat foram that indian govt spend billions

If you believe your Govt. and Zaid Hamid, there are only a few thousand people involved in these disturbances.

But Billions/Thousands = Millions

You got to be kidding. You mean India is sending millionaires to fight in Baluchistan??

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Maybe they are sure, but blowing the consulates up will lead to full scale war with India. Maybe they think Pakistan doesnt have an appetitie for war right now.

So diplomatic pressure on India through US maybe on their minds.

Full scale war will endup With Nuclear Strike Threats. And Indian Gov is not that dumb to see its every city being anhiliated just for the cost of consolates in Afghanistan.

 

[S-2]

Holbrooke's comments emphatically support my contentions here over the last three months.

The U.S. gov't has really narrowed and defined it's positions in these recent statements by Petraeus, Clinton, Gates, and now Holbrooke. Short of Obama himself, that about covers the nat'l security relationship between the United States and Pakistan.

Pakistan can say all it wants but these comments are DEFINITIVE that we see nothing of these complaints and this absence of supporting facts is the basis of our understanding with you.

Our aid package may not leave Congress as matters currently stand. You'll know why if so.

Go very, very public with all your detailed proof because as of now it's the official positon of the U.S. gov't that you've none. We've now formed our policy options upon this position.

I look forward to your thoughts.

 

[IceCold]

If we have none then the issue should be dropped nice and easy but if we do then we should make the noises no matter what the US official policy on this matter is.
US will look for its own interest in the region and so should it be however the same implies to every country and that includes us. If we are uncomfortable with India in Afghanistan for whatever may be the reason, then its our right to project the same and protect our national interests even if that means going against the US.

 

[jeypore]

It's funny, when Holbrooke was appointed, there where some what cheers in the Pakistan establishment, hoping to push him to the kashmir issue as well. Now it seems Holbrooke has just become a .

It is clearly proven that the whole world is wrong, and only Gop is right with there statements about India. I love these Pakistanie politicians and army, what will they say to keep there populace happy

 

[BaburCM]

It doesn't matter one bit what this Holbrooke thinks. In fact, he is irrelevant as far as Pakistani matters relating to India are concerned. At the end of the day, no one can dictate to us about our internal affairs. If anyone does, expect souring relations as far as the WoT is concerned. Something we cannot afford, or can we now?